/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

he turned every socialist republic into a tinpot crony-state run by local corrupt party members

>>2366243
>Aided Vietnam in its war against American imperialism
The Soviets wanted to preserve the Geneva Accord borders and didn't think the WPV could win until it was undeniable lol.

>>2367139
the ussr helped Vietnam from the very beginning

>>2367206
Yes but in a limited way and with the goal of securing the Geneva status quo

Brezhnev's Doctrine was keeping the Warsaw pact safe from NATO and CIA-backed nationalists
Brezhnev's nukes were keeping the Middle East safe from Zionism
Brezhnev's guns were keeping neocolonialists out of Africa
Brezhnev's nukes were keeping India safe from Pakistan
Brezhnev's Afghan support was keeping CIA out of Afghanistan and Central Asia safe from Jihadi ultrareactionaries

He did what someone in his power should have done. And he just wanted to be remembered as a peacemaker. When Gorby backed down, US aggression intensified 10 times and we saw the catastrophic consequences of not standing up to Washington . Today we see it even more. History absolved him

>>2366243
soyfacing over revisionism thread

<undid cornman's retardation
like what?
De-stalinization stayed in place. Only the most vocal liberals were shunned

The relationship with PRC? Got even worse to the point of having armed border conflicts

<Stopped counter-revolution cold in Czechoslovakia
Just needed to keep soviet soldiers in the country (there weren't any permanent soviet military bases in the ČSSR before 1968, but Warsaw Pact soldiers were already present in the country because of the Šumava military excersises)

Initially, the soviet leadership was benevolent as far as the reforms were concerned, the reforms only started because they were "allowed" from Moscow. Plus good ol' Lyonya wanted his man in Prague, not Khrushchev's protégé Novotný.

The "counterrevolution" itself wasn't that bad and could have been stopped easily by "healthy forces" in the Czechoslovak communist party. And even the majority of "reformists" and other libs were neither leaving the paradigm of Czechoslovakia staying a socialist state led by the communists nor they were demanding leaving the Warsaw Pact and destroying the alliance with the USSR.

Literally nothing happening in 1968 Czechoslovakia could be used as an excuse for a military intervention.
Because everything that was happening in ČSSR at that time was happening in the USSR as well, just in smaller scale

>>2368271
>The "counterrevolution" itself wasn't that bad
It was bad. The reforms would have failed. Ota Šik the guy in charge of the economic reforms was a rightist deviationist, who latter became a full blown ordoliberal. These reformers needed to be stopped for the good of socialism.

People only hate Brezh because that autist Mao had a fit from the sensory overload of his eyebrows.

Social fascist scum

he was ok

>>2367371
>keeping India safe from Pakistan
ghay

>>2368271
>The "counterrevolution" itself wasn't that bad
t.

>>2366243
Why do you care about this shit? Get a grip.

liberal did what? why did he piss off those other liberals?

>>2366243
Soviet Trump

>>2368627
>Ota Šik the guy in charge of the economic reforms was a rightist deviationist
I mean yes, but the things he managed to implement when he was still in office weren't that much different from Kosygin-Lieberman reforms, I think

>latter became a full blown ordoliberal.
That is true. but only happened after he emigrated to Switzerland. What is also strange that he called himself socialist and supported socdem/keynesian policies up until 1990 when he declared that "socialism is incompatible with democracy"

>>2369900
yah mum

>>2366243
>Undid Cornman's retardation
Nikita was infinitely better.
>Stopped counter-revolution cold in Czechoslovakia
This was a socialist reformation. Completely unnecessary and destroyed communist unity in Europe.
>Aided Vietnam in its war against American imperialism
This is based.
>Still lives rent-free in the heads of Maoists, pro-Hoxha "Anti-Revisionists" and pro-NATO liberals despite being dead for 43 years
Nope hes just the face of stagnation and that led to dissolution of USSR.

>>2370024
He wasnt that retarded. More like a deepstate bureaucrat stabbing Nikita in the back and taking power.

>>2366250
Thats because he was himself a corrupt bureaucrat.

He signed the union’s death warrant with the Afghanistan venture. It’s literally the one time where aid to an allied government or movement was the wrong choice

>>2370143
Disagree. US and reactionaries in Afghanistan were attempting to spread an insurgency into the Soviet Union itself. Mujahideen were crossing into Central Asia to wage guerilla war and terrorism. Let that sink in, this was a war on Soviet borders for the first time since WW2. And the CIA was spending more money than ever into making it happen, and had the additional benefit of facilitating the spread of opium in Soviet territory.

What alternative do you see here? I think the response by the soviet government was totally justified.

Also was a close ally of Khruschev during his early years and is still, not even from an "anti-revisionist" perspective, a revisionist that failed to stop the decline that led to the USSR's collapse.
Still mad respect for my uygha LEGO Brezhnev tho

>>2370133
>muh stagnation meme
Anti-Brezh slanderers swallowing Gorbachoid propaganda I see. Sorry, but the Soviet people WILL live normal lives. Actual proletarians don't want to wage revolution their whole lifespan. They want stability and a consistent way of life.

>>2367371
>Brezhnev's Doctrine was keeping the Warsaw pact safe from NATO and CIA-backed nationalists
>Brezhnev's nukes were keeping the Middle East safe from Zionism
>Brezhnev's guns were keeping neocolonialists out of Africa
>Brezhnev's nukes were keeping India safe from Pakistan
>Brezhnev's Afghan support was keeping CIA out of Afghanistan and Central Asia safe from Jihadi ultrareactionaries
I remember about 20 years ago when Iraq was the big thing and people talked about how the USSR would never have allowed the Iraq War to happen. Would Brezhnev have allowed Libya and Syria to be taken over by Wahabbi "revolutionaries"? For that matter, would the US/Israel Clean Break project have even been a thing if the USSR were still around? Would the Soviet people have been fighting bloody wars in the Ukraine, Georgia, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Chechnya? Would fascists be in power in those countries. Would the break-up of Yugoslavia have been allowed to happen? I think we all know that answer to that question. Sure, he never lead a revolution or defeated Hitler but I believe he has secured his place among the greats. For that matter, I hope the "Dissidents" enjoy the blood money they got by destroying this.
>>2368627
>These reformers needed to be stopped for the good of socialism.
It's worth noting that Mikhail Gorbachev said that the policies he persued as leader of the USSR were based on those of the Prague Spring.
>>2369994
This is really fucking rich from you "anti-campist" types considering that your takes are almost identical to that of liberal anti-communists. BTW, how your "Syrian Revolution" that you ultras simped for going? Is "Abu Mohammad al-Jolani"/"Ahmed al-Sharaa"/whatever the fuck his real name is going to lead Syria to Real Socialism any time soon? I understand if you want forget about it like how you forgot about how the "Libyan Revolution" you and yours also simped for back in 2011 turned out.
>>2370758
>US and reactionaries in Afghanistan were attempting to spread an insurgency into the Soviet Union itself. Mujahideen were crossing into Central Asia to wage guerilla war and terrorism.
This. The USSR literally had no choice when this threat is at their borders. This was a knife pointed at their throats and this has been very much vindicated as recently as the "ISIS-K" massacre in Crocus City Hall.
>Let that sink in, this was a war on Soviet borders for the first time since WW2.
Of course, that isn't really true but watch the Real Socialists use this as a gotcha and nitpick this and claim that they win the Internet Debate because of a technicality.

>Exported the revolution by arming militant communists across the Global South while providing stability comfort to those living within the Soviet Union itself.
Truth antimatter warhead. Funny eyebrow man was the closest thing to a Stalin-Trotsky synthesis. Unfortunately the outlook on this period was marred by the subsequent fall of the Republic of Soviets and the following Era of Blackest Reaction.