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>>2371550Nice.
Well anyways, yeah, the thing with Republicans taking this anti-interventionist tone that people talk about all the time, it can be the case in some dimensions, but the U.S. withdrawing from international organizations can also mean the U.S. acts less restrained in reality. Like, we don't want anybody else telling AMERICA what to do! (Not that NATO is much of a constraint on what the U.S. does anyways but I'm just saying.) George W. Bush actually campaigned as an anti-interventionist in 2000 and criticized Clinton's involvement in Bosnia.
>>2371577>Like whats it gonna do if its released and Trump is in them?we knew trump was in the black book 10 years ago. it's old news. declassifying what was already online and acting like it's new info is literally the "fake news" these people are always complaining about.
>But anyhow most men on earth would touch loli twat given the chance………………………..no…………………..
>I dont actually care about the Epstein files. I dont understand why people care about this so much.because it was a peak into what people intuitively knew to be true about rich people and the cover up was massive and obvious right down to the security cam "malfuctioning" and the guards "falling asleep" at the same time as epstein "killed himself"
>He's sending people to death camps and starting wars but were concerned about him fucking teenagers?you're the first person to bring it up ITT. it's actually relatively out of the news cycle lately. what made you bring it up even?
>>2371584>………………………..no…………………..Maybe I should have specified. Straight non-western men would.
>people intuitively knew to be true about rich peopleThis is the bullshit I hate and dont understand. The big unspoken secret of the rich to your average MF is they fuck lolis? Not that they're a parasitic class responsible for nearly all the death, destruction and despair in the world?
>actually relatively out of the news cycle lately. I felt like bringing it up. News cycle or not go to any content about Trump online and you will see a comment somewhere about "Release le Epstein files"
>>2371692>that fucking tard at the front [our] right with the no drugs shirtI only have one video saved and it's that one where they turn the wrong way.
PF training was a sad joke, and they were learning poor form, but at the end of the day you're absolutely right. They're not soldiers, but this alone shows
some coordination and discipline. I've been to community actions where I think if people had a bit of basic discipline or training, there would be fewer arrests. It's not an optics thing, it's also a material skill. Like, we're talking super simple stuff like link arms and retreat backwards in groups of 5 or 6. I didn't realize how gifted I am at sport/coordination until I saw how fucking poorly these people were doing at basic cooperation tasks.
>>2371661Don't worry, Bill Ackman says Elon Musk just "shoots from the hip," no need to be concerned! The real antisemites are the people opposing the genocide of the Palestinians!
>>2371664I can only assume the reason more people aren't catching onto the ADL's bullshit is because America's horrid education prevents them from recognizing the blatant Nazi dog-whistles on the right.
>>2371720It's pretty clear.
Is leftypol only populated by twitter leftist that respond "WHAT? HUH? BLUD NORMAL ONE DIDDYAHH?" to everything slightly out of their comfort zone now?
>>2371726>normal>rich…look I'm financially secure too but this isn't
normal. Might seem that way if you live in a well-off neighborhood but to be rich is abnormal, fortunate.
>>2371725Not everyone is aware of Iran's trans policy, and even that is a bit fuckin "uhhhhhhhhh". Could have just explained instead of making bizarre claims about a whole website because of one reply you didn't like.
>>2371769To be fair Mamdani's campaign was lauded as pretty effective propaganda against Gen z and a very large part of why he won.
>Inb4 succdemSure whatever but I think the point still stands, leftists are very much capable of doing good propaganda I think you're just looking in the wrong places.
>>2371793And his plan is very simple, even taking whatever away what his platform is.
>I want to be mayor.>I need you to come in and vote for me on one day and convince other people to vote for meNo matter what the platform is, it's absolutely concrete.
Whereas:
>Join our party>Where we will do ???Like what does joining your party do? What does convincing other people to join your party do. An election is very concrete and direct no matter what someone may or may not do after elected. What should people join your party for? What will your party concretely do besides seek more members?
>>2371784Fans, in the social media follower sense, are attached to a fragile persona identity, that is also framed narrowly in the online context and the medium and content contexts. "Fans" will readily do low volume, low effort volunteer stuff. But if you want a real workhorse of a fanbase, you need to cultivate a real parasocial cult, where a ladder of loyalty can form and encourage competition.
That is to say, to go anywhere with parasocial vampirism beyond profiting yourself, you need to get reeeeeeeeal pathological with your fanbase, which defeats the point. you can't build a political organization out of filtering the parasocially vulnerable, you are building a cult, whether you realize it or not.
It is easy to underestimate the allure of the grift, when a person finally realizes they could be free from wage slavery. Even if one does a minimum of parasocial video stuff, thing like breadtube or other forms of building a "re-watchable library" are essentially building up a "passive income". And unlike other more direct forms of parasocial vampirism, pretty much all you need to do is be present in social media, as yourself , like any poster would. Maybe making a Discord and interacting a bit.Things like that.
Because the parasocial thralldom is established by a principle nearly as powerful as sex, political awakenings. Which in turn, means that in order to be "successful" as a content creator of this sort, you need to make the content that caters to the sort of people that would otherwise be throwing that attention to some e-whore. And with no progression to it.
You become the Onlyfans of politics. And just like those sorts of whore does, it's easy to convince yourself you are "making a difference" when your livelihood depends on believing it.
>>2371778It's been tried. Look at how PF and NSN turned out - the majority of their members are autistic cowards who consistently get chased away by antifas to the point where both groups do their stunts at 6 in the morning now.
I am not exaggerating or using the term autistic loosely. I mean diagnosed ASD. NSN even tried to groom alienated young men through the government disability support services. They're not finding the best.
>>2371847>Join their local union, radicalize those within, recruit,So it seems that it would me much more effective to focus then on recruiting on a person to person level. That should probably be developed down to a training program. You should probably also try and incentivize/encourage bringing in more people as much as possible. If you're not doggedly on it, you'll get nowhere.
>Form paramilitary organizations I think it's stupid and a waste of time. I think it would be frankly more of a turnoff to most people.
> use them to project power and influence through direct action and cautious potd.You say you want them to power project but what does this achieve?
>>2371853And to add, what are you doing with the unions, why do you want more union members?
>So we can win Union elections!It's just "electoralism" as you all erroneously call it on here on a smaller scale. "Democracy in the work place." And that's great too, but why not also not public office as well?
>>2371853>I think it would be frankly more of a turnoff to most people.These are my sworn by blood and thoroughly ass fucked devotees, if they don't form the paramilitaries who will?
>>2371855>And to add, what are you doing with the unions, why do you want more union members?The purpose of autonomous workers power, unions, is to enact, command and direct the revolution and act as the new form of social organization that will replace the existing government.
>So we can win Union elections!And also the building up of already revolutionary unions like the IWW
>why not also not public office as well?Electoralism always leads to social democracy, degrading the revolutionary energy of all involved until they are nothing but agents of the bourgeoisie dressed in red.
>>2371866>These are my sworn by blood and thoroughly ass fucked devotees, if they don't form the paramilitaries who will?True, but is it not better to have more people at who are willing to be in, but not on the blood sworn level perhaps?
>>2371853<You say you want them to power project but what does this achieve?
>The purpose of autonomous workers power, unions, is to enact, command and direct the revolution and act as the new form of social organization that will replace the existing government.The plan seems very loose here. Also you completely dodged the point about unions. What does the union do?
> is to enact, command and direct the revolution and act as the new form of social organization that will replace the existing government.Super loose. That's not even close to a plan. How do you replace the government?
>>2371871>True, but is it not better to have more people at who are willing to be in, but not on the blood sworn level perhaps?There'll be different levels going on simultaneously, not everyone will be required to join the paramilitary.
>What does the union do?Enacts, commands, and directs the revolution, like I said, as well as forming the basis of the organization of the new society.
>Super loose. That's not even close to a plan. How do you replace the government?Its just the general outline, its handled more in depth in works like Anarcho-Syndicalism by Rudolf Rocker, but generally its just for the unions to take over the functions of government as well as management of industrial production.
>>2371877>Enacts, commands, and directs the revolution, like I said, as well as forming the basis of the organization of the new society.What is the revolution? I'm saying what is the plan and you're circling back to:
>We will come up with the plan once I have enough people following meWhich is counter to this whole thought experiment.
>Its just the general outline, its handled more in depth in works like Anarcho-Syndicalism by Rudolf Rocker, but generally its just for the unions to take over the functions of government as well as management of industrial production.How do they do that?
>>2371892>>2371893Also they were only successful with the first part because the government let them. Compare to Trump's response to the BLM protests in DC.
>>2371896>they were closest in ameriKKKan history to lynching congress but they had no popular support or armsThen they would just be killed by the Secret Service and SWAT and whoever they managed to kill would just be replaced by an appointee of their state's governor.
>>2371958The Chinese century is here!
Tiānshàng tàiyang hóng ya hóngtōngtōng ēi
Xīnzhōng de tàiyang shì máozédōng ēi
Tā lǐngdǎo wǒmen dé jiěfàng ēi
Rénmín fānshēn dāngjiāzuòzhǔ rén
Yīya yī zhī yōu wèi
Ya ér ya zhī yōu ā
Rénmín fānshēn dāngjiāzuòzhǔ rén
>>2371971>punk assed bitcheslmao americans are so unthreatening i cannot take them seriously.
This is how they keep winning, i guess.
>>2371783Anyone can homebrew hormones, it's easy as fuck. It's not like stopping meth production, it's like trying to stop people from brewing moonshine. It's infeasible.
But the reason why the right wing has been able to use trans people as a scapegoat is because they're an extreme minority you can't disappear but can fabricate infinite propaganda against. And westerners are psychotic enough to fall for it because they're incredibly retarded and reactionary. You can always accuse someone of being a secret transhumanist or hire a patsy to pretend to be trans to create free propaganda against them. It's a minority you never truly see but can fear like you fear like a monster under your bed. Anyone can end up trans, so Rowling cultists think about them 24/7, they fear their friends and family becoming "trans" and constantly police and criticize them. This is why you will see them post about this 24/7 even in the light of far more pressing material issues. Fearing the transhumanist under your bed is central to transphobia.
It's more like a modern day witch hunt or anti-religion than anti-semitism or racism. I see it the anti-trans movement failing just like anti-religious movements have (that weren't inherently entangled with race or culture), even ignoring how technology will only blur the lines between sexes, races, and even species as it continues to advance. (consider how AI can change your voice and even racial appearance on the fly now, and even then what we have is incredibly rudimentary. You never truly know who you're talking to online!).
The only way they could really 'win' is by enslaving humanity in a hellish Palantir-scape where every single breath you take is observed and recorded to algorithms that determine when to send cops to your pod to murder you once you step out of line, and that is inherently an expensive and unstable system which will collapse inwards on itself. Considering how many people consider being trans "western degeneracy", it is ironic that trans hate is conceivably one of the most western ideals you can have. It's pure idpol in itself. It's why most eastern societies (china, thailand, africa, south america) don't really have the psychotic trans-hate you see in the west. The ones that do (japan, south korea) are incredibly westernized.
I do think it ends in the west in concentration camps because there's no deradicalizing the chuds, but the west also has no future. They're going to kill everyone here and die in a wasteland of their own making while China carries on the torch of civilization.
>>2371793For sure. Maybe his campaign would kick these orgs into gear to actually make engaging shit. The issue is they only talk about it in terms of campaigning. So they again seperate themselves, when it’s all propaganda and you should follow his lead somewhat. Though they do have a bit of a point, only so much you can take
>>2371795To be fair, with local places like DSA NYC, you can say join us to help Mamdani. That they will be a force behind his back. You never get that sense. And to be fair, the DSA elected don’t give that sense, tending to kinda distance themselves once in power. But at at least municipalities wise, having a machine to help is very important
>>2371990>Anyone can end up transThat includes themselves. They fear that they themselves will become trans somehow. If they can't handle internal conflict or ambiguity the insecure end up attacking outwards more viciously
>>2371993Years of civil war, hundreds of thousands of deaths, and the active genocide their own countrymen in exchange for World Bank loans and a Noble Peace Prize winning dictator. Imperialism has given them a great deal.
>>2372024I'm sure Brazil has normalized trade relations with Israel like literally everyone else on the planet, but it seems to be very negligible amounts because they're barely visible on this exports destination graph.
When the US and India are both selling Israel hundreds of millions of dollars in weapons and every other country pales in comparison to those two, I don't really see how much impact the demand that Brazil stop trading with Israel would have on Israel's ability to commit genocide.
>>2372034If it's so unimportant why demand of it of them and make your support of them conditional upon it? At least the demand that China stop trading with Israel makes sense in terms of the sheer volume (even though they also don't sell much for weapons) … but
Brazil?
Remember. It's the US and India giving Israel all the weapons. If you're going to go around making a demand that should be the demand: STOP SELLING WEAPONS TO ISRAEL. It is the simplest and most realistic demand because it's not a perishable market like food exports.
>>2372052It's great, I see more quality communist content over there than on imageboards. Its not anything like reddit or youtube. Youtube shorts are a total distaste
>>2372056Tiktok is overall a good platform for leftists but it has some pretty strict moderation that makes it a challenge sometimes. Instagram on the other hand is like the wild wild west, they don't give a fuck. you can find literally anything over there, from gore and car crash vids to 1488hitlerlover meme pages, but at the same time leftist content can be a lot more free in its content, so its a tradeoff really. With that being said the most important factor when choosing a platform to spread leftist propaganda is the Algorithm. Playing the algorithm seems like the ultimate radicalizing tool for getting eyes on propaganda if you can figure it out
>>2372031The main thing bad about Spanish is the random gender rules it shares with other romance languages. Also the rolling r is not easy for people who didn't learn as children.
>>2372056Twitter was lib before Elon though. Twitch and youtube are very right wing so it seems as if longer content leans towards right wingers for some reason.
>>2372063Thoughts and prayers, Texas!
>>2372056Younger base which is the base of the left. Also helps that TikTok forces you to make shorter videos so you can’t ramble on. As for YouTube and Twitter, Twitter used to be normal but Elon bought it and promoted Nazis and just engagement farms and also the lib exodus. YouTube I think there is prime real estate
>>2372068Shorts are just reuploaded TikToks so eh. Though the amount of AI voice shit is crazy.
>>2372080Do they ever wonder if maybe God wants people to help others when environmental disasters happen.
If God did all the help for us his creation would be pretty boring and annoying to manage.
>>2372086yeah but then god realises he fucked up and promises not to do it again
gods just a funny guy
>>2372089sometimes he makes humans talk gibberish and donkeys talk human
hes so random penguin spork
>>2372084NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
LET
ME
OUT
>>2372098The thing is, Thiel is more Crassus. George Soros. The funder of ideology. But he to my knowledge doesn’t write crap
>>2372101I know but it’s a fun mind game to try and rationalize them to have a secret vizier/state ideology. I feel like Obama definitely has one. Can’t recall who
>>2372102In 2023 the United States had 2,325 heat deaths
In 2023 Europe had 47,700 heat deaths
At least this country likes air conditioning
>>2372109I don't know I should probably read up on her beliefs.
Since Boric was a watery failure and very few like him at all, which made me think the left was going to die in Chile, she must be radical enough if people think she's a better alternative.
>>2372111Checking the trips
Yeah I’m surprised any left winger is winning, so my guess is the right is just shitting the bed
Why can't USA learn from China and do nothing to win?
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/07/this-time-its-true-mexico-is-going-to-the-brics-summit.htmlOver the past week, Washington has declared Mexico a foreign “adversary” together with the likes of Iran, Russia and China. It has also imposed potentially ruinous sanctions against two Mexican banks and a brokerage house for allegedly laundering money for drug cartels without presenting any clear evidence. As is becoming increasingly clear, the move was essentially a shakedown by the Trump admin aimed at getting greater control over Mexico’s banking system as well as its relationship with China.
Lo and behold, one week later President Sheinbaum just announced that her government will be participating as an observer in the 17th annual meeting of the BRICS summit in Rio de Janeiro on July 6-7. Sheinbaum herself will not be part of the delegation since her government, she says, has enough on its plate at home. Instead, Mexico will be represented by its Foreign Minister Ramon de la Fuente.
>>2372300I get the impression that Netanyahu wouldn't agree to any interview unless he's certain that it'd be 99% softball questions and 1% "There's been a lot of criticism over Israel's conduct of the war, what would you say to your critics?"
>>2372294Unironically I'd love to watch that.
>>2372306Of course it can't. It is essentially Japan in 1941, worse even. America could theoretically sink an entire Chinese naval task force and China would just rebuild them in a matter of years with war mobilisation.
The US Naval fleet is old, antiquated and slow to modernisation.
>Americans are all treatlers, our quality of life is only so high because of imperialism!
<ok, but 9% of americans don't have running water
>no you don't get it, we need our treats or the hogs will get mad
<ok, but 25% of americans are effectively unemployed and living in poverty
<no you don't get it, the only way things could be this good is because of imperialism
>ok, but 10% of americans do 50% of the spending and the bottom 50% does effectively none
<no, you don't get it, look check out my patreon exclusive podcast, that explains everything
>ok, but you're making 270,000 a year via patreon, so maybe that's why you shill for imperialism with this treatler shit
>>2372287The Ukrainization of Mexico?
The renowned Mexican-Lebanese geopolitical analyst Alfredo Jalife says that membership of BRICS would clearly be beneficial for Mexico, though its economy and development are currently chained to the US. He pointed out that there are more than 30 countries, some of them from Latin America, seeking to join the club, and that Mexico would almost certainly be granted membership, given its economic and geopolitical importance.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Russia’s ambassador to Mexico, Nikolay Sofinskiy, has already stated that Russia would welcome Mexico into the fold. But there’s one problem, says Jalife — the West, in particular the US, “won’t allow it”:
“It is optimal for Mexico to join the BRICS, but they are not going to let it happen. I am being realistic here; on paper I think it would be great.”
The USMCA deal includes an article, 32.10, that lays out the potential consequences of negotiating an FTA with “nonmarket economies” – which is basically a code word for China. Put simply, if either Canada or Mexico were to negotiate a trade agreement with China, they would have to inform the US three months prior. If a bilateral FTA gets signed with China, any of the three trade partners could walk away from the USMCA with just six months’ notice.
An even greater risk highlighted by Jalife is what he calls the “Ukrainization of Mexico”. In short, Mexico is as strategically valuable to the US as Ukraine is to Russia. And just like Russia will never let Ukraine join NATO, a military alliance, the US will never let Mexico join BRICS, which obviously is not a military alliance (h/t jobs).
>>2372340>but dont cause you have to spend all your money on rentDo you honestly believe this. I guess credit card debt is not a thing in your mind.
>you have to guzzle it because there's no public transport and small cars are tarriffedsorry the leadership of the empire is retarded
>>2372333They should stop. Also you talk as if in Thailand, families don't hire maids to do all their house chores. Even in the 3rd world, the treats flow
>Charlie Kirk urges GOP hopeful Curtis Sliwa to drop out of NYC mayoral race to stop Mamdani. Kirk says the democratic socialist candidate is 'stoppable' but opposition must coalesce a winnable rival"He's a little bit of a novelty candidate. I like him. He is a good guy. But you cannot have a competition on the Republican side. So, I think he should drop out," Kirk said. "Whoever ends up running against [Mamdani], if it's Eric Adams, who is not exactly well liked in New York right now, you have to run on crime, quality of life and an anti-radical agenda. Just common sense, unifying the city. We do not want these radical, third-world elements introduced into America's largest city and once-greatest city.
"Eric Adams paved the way for Zohran Mamdani by failing spectacularly over the last 3.5 years. With Adams polling dead last and holding the worst favorability rating on record at 68% unfavorable, it’s clear I’m the only candidate with a real path to victory, and I’ll prove that on November 4th. Why would any candidate drop out when Eric Adams has no path to victory?" Sliwa said in a statement.
Kirk says that Mamdani's biggest vulnerability is "how radical he is" and while he conceded Mamdani's proposal to freeze rent may appeal to some New Yorkers, he's "so bad on crime," which is the issue he thinks Mamdani's opponents should focus on. (Mamdani has previously promoted the "defund the police" movement and has been campaigning on creating the Department of Community Safety.)
"Crime is an issue that affects all New Yorkers," Kirk told Fox News Digital "Where, like, rent stabilization actually, he might get votes for that … he is so bad on crime. He's unspeakably bad on the police." What Mamdani has working in his favor, according to Kirk, is that he is "very social media savvy," something Mamdani showcased during his primary run. He also pointed to the "hundreds of thousands of college students" who are motivated to rally behind the man he calls the "encampment candidate."
"He also is the Democrat nominee, and a lot of people would just blindly vote for Democrats in New York, and so he has that advantage," Kirk said. The prominent conservative dismissed those on the right who suggested liberal New York City is beyond saving, stressing the mayoral race has "existential importance" and that voters must come together to stop Mamdani.
"Some people say, 'Oh, I don't care about New York City.' That is a bunch of nonsense and that's a bunch of rubbish," Kirk said. "We will not surrender America's largest city to a communist. We are not going to let that happen. And so I encourage everyone to get involved whatever degree you can. The future of western civilization will run through its cities. And right now, the battlefield is all eyes on New York."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/charlie-kirk-urges-gop-hopeful-curtis-sliwa-drop-out-nyc-mayoral-race-stop-mamdani >>2372325Zionists pretending to care about Iranians is so disgusting.
They would level the entire country if given the opportunity.
>>2372364Are you actually retarded
>have credit card>use credit card to buy crap>oh shit I have debt>scrape to pay it off>glad that’s over>use credit card to buy crap>cycle repeatsPeople who don’t have money are sometimes the most notorious for buying shit they don’t really have a use for. Worst for those who barely doing good so they begin to buy outside their means and some shit happens and boom broke.
>>2372542The pigs got really mad when someone threw fireworks at their building and declared a riot. Unfortunately for them their riot control agents don't work on anyone who is smart enough to equip themselves properly and so they had to back off after they shut down a street for a while.
They have cranked the regulators on their paintball guns enough to make their pepper balls really hurt, but a little armor will fix that problem.
>>2372636He's an autist who wasn't bullied enough so instead of relentlessly self-criticizing and trying to manage his image, he's just being cringe as loudly and publicly as he can.
Then there's the fact he can't just straight up say what he believes. He was doing that awkward sieg heil at Trump's inauguration and retweeting white nationalists but just awkwardly says he was "throwing his heart out" and that he's not a Nazi. Like it's one thing to dogwhistle, but at least some fat fuck like Steve Bannon will just wink if you call him on it, Elon gets small and mumbles "B-buh-buh I'm not a N-nazi!"
Funny enough there's some excerpt from Mosley where he just says "Yeah I'm a fascist, I'm not gonna pretend I'm not. I'm gonna keep calling myself that until I can change peoples' opinion on fascism."
Christ, I can at least respect a guy who fucks around and says "what'cha gonna do about it?" over one who tries to shoulder-check you then immediately pisses his pants and cries for a grownup.
>>2372701Yeah. Got a chance to talk to a friends grandparents and they got on the topic of politics, they said that they have a friend they can't discuss current happenings with anymore because they genuinely believes Trump was sent by God, and anything said against him is an insult to God himself.
Like, to the point where they consider "all politicians lie" to be heresy because Trump is a politician, and since he was sent by God saying all politicians lie is saying someone sent by God lies.
>>2372719well congrats that's most of humanity. you're outnumbered. the next best option is just to study religion as a sociological phenomena rather than a static set of beliefs and realized religion is
performed as a form of
groupthink to
avoid ostracization just as often if not more often that it is
sincerely believed in >>2372725Surprisingly no, they hate him.
According to my friend's grandparents it appears they picked this crap up from Facebook, though they're not entirely sure. I just can't imagine believing something like that because of something you read on Facebook.
>>2372547Women sisters…why are we more spineless than men?
>>2372728Take way the church's tax free status and other state subsides then 2/3rds of them will disappear by themselves. Once worker have real social services and a social safety net, there will barely be anything left.
>>2372741Can you give us a recap of your speech? I was gonna ask for a video then realized that would defeat the whole purpose of an anonymous imageboard.
Pretty cool though, I think the most amount of people I've spoken in front of is 20 or so.
>>2372804It was one of many avoidable fumbles that ultimately weakened their position.
>>2372803You sound just as inhuman as our adversaries.
>>2372817except in industrial societies, where it meets the vanishing point and disintegrates into nothing
>>2372827basically this
>>2372822also this
>>2372780If simply changing a tax status cuts down their strength then you should do it before direct confrontations. Think of it as softening up a army with arrows before charging.
>>2372807>You sound just as inhuman as our adversaries.Moralism. But you are right about the USSR. Stalin reversed earlier policies for a reason.
The real reason not to blindly attack the religious is that it is a waste of resources and will unnecessarily increase the ranks of the bourgeoisie. Why make things harder than they need to be?
>>2372818Well I mean what do we mean when we talk about religion? It's not just the belief in gods, Buddhists for instance can take on a very atheistic worldview but is otherwise very much structured around dogma and a worldview of the supernatural.
>>2372827That I think is much more doable, but even in that case we'd need some kind of stopgap while we ween the population off of the need for organized religion. Religion largely exists as a way to explain what cant be explained, and one thing that's hard to explain is why tragedies befall "good" people while "evil" people get better lives. In a socialist system this disparity would be far less of an issue, we could treat the sick without regard to what's profitable and expropriate properties from landlords.
>>2372831This too. "Religion" as a word derives from a Latin term meaning "to bring together", it's a community organizing thing combined with an explanation for what we dont know. People like excuses to gather and celebrate
>>2372837>Well I mean what do we mean when we talk about religion? It's not just the belief in gods, Buddhists for instance can take on a very atheistic worldview but is otherwise very much structured around dogma and a worldview of the supernaturalyou're not entirely wrong there, some (although very few buddhists contrary to belief) religions are non-theistic, but one thing i clarified a bit after the one you quoted, is that religion meets its vanishing point in the industrialized cities, in part because it simply is not necessary, there are very few people in the modern day who actually adhere to a non-theistic but supernaturalist worldview, at most in the few millions, and there are some who believe in a god (like deism and pantheism) that are not religious, and those are actually growing at an unusual rate, that's why i say it isn't a "need" in the same sense that something like a philosophy is, or a set of unified principles and beliefs
>>2372842i agree with you entirely except the "you need to die" part
>>2372847i imagine a few might
>>2372498The same thing happened here in NC. Flash flooding wiped out several communities and residential developments. Come to find out that the developers knew beforehand and lobbied the government not to list these places as in danger of flooding.
>>2372783Privatization is a part of it for sure, but I think the greater underlying cause is that the scientific evidence for climate change is becoming ever harder to ignore, and government scientific institutions work against capitalist policy when they're functioning right. Like several years ago the state government outlawed using climate projections for determining state policy, in large part because those projections basically rendered all property current and planned on the Outer Banks as essentially worthless. Instead of dealing with any of that they just forced the government to legally ignore any evidence that the barrier islands and everyone on them are on borrowed time.
This is just an extension of that imo
>>2372869Yes, as I've said many times before the left should not ignore the superstructure. Culture wars are vital and should be fought with the highest vigor and ruthlessness. Christ-insanity is a reactionary pox on the earth and should be exterminated with the absolute maximum level of prejudice.
If these "people" honestly and sincerely believe in their God, then they should have no problem being sent to meet him. If they genuinely believe in what they say they do then they should welcome the chance to become martyrs and live in paradise. Likewise, we should not hesitate to grant them their wish.
The solution to Christ-insanity is very simple.
>>2372914https://www.marxists.org/archive/rothstein-andrew/1953/03/zionism.htm
<Source: Labour Monthly, Vol. XXXV, No. 3, March 1953.
>Up to the first world war, the Zionist propaganda had not been very successful in promoting Jewish emigration to Palestine. But in the course of that war the Zionist leaders found in the British Government a more favourable imperialist patron than the Sultan, the Tsar or the Kaiser. British imperialism wanted to break up the Turkish Empire from within, and in 1917 the Balfour Declaration promised the Zionist leaders a ‘national home’ in Palestine, as a ‘mandated’ colony of the British Empire. Jewish emigration, stimulated by big capital investments in Palestine, increased. In 1921 there were only 80,000 Jews and 600,000 Arabs: by the end of 1938 there were 424,000 Jews and 916,000 Arabs. By this time, too, even the most loyal service by the Zionist leaders as ‘a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of hostile Arabs’ (Sir Ronald Storrs, Orientations) had not prevented a fair amount of British intrigue with the feudal Arab States themselves—with the consequence that the coming of the second world war found Arabs and Jews in Palestine at each other’s throats, and a British police state holding down both. >>2372937I don't like counterfactual history but there are some articles about communist newspapers during the 1948 war. The CPUSA had a magazine called "Jewish Life" that was very pro-Israel.
>When the armies of seven Arab nations invaded within days of Israel’s declaration of statehood, the leftist publications cheered on the Zionist militias. Jewish Life’s June 1948 cover bore the title “That the Jewish State May Live” over a photo of picketers in front of the White House, holding signs saying “Arms to Haganah” and “Halt Arms Shipments to the Arabs.” The magazine cried, “The blood of patriots must be replaced,” and urged everyone to donate blood to replenish that shed by the Zionist forces.
>The Party publications printed not only nationalist calls to arms, but also, shockingly, outright falsehoods. The Daily Worker ran one story reporting that Arabs had planned a gas attack on Jews (this never happened) and another alleging that Haganah soldiers killed by Arab forces had been decapitated (also untrue). All three journals, like most US publications, blurred the accuracy of their coverage by using the word “Arab” to include both indigenous Palestinians and armies from neighboring Arab states, as if all “Arabs” were interchangeable, undifferentiated by geography or culture. This made it nearly impossible for readers to understand who was fighting whom and why. But the central message was clear: The Jewish State was what counted to the Party and the broader Jewish left. https://jewishcurrents.org/what-we-did-how-the-jewish-communist-left-failed-the-palestinian-causeThis article about the British party is from a Zionist publication but goes into it:
>In 1948 the British communist Daily Worker advocated the creation and defense of the Jewish State. It campaigned for the implementation of the United Nations Partition Plan. When Arab states and militias began to attack Jewish communities in Palestine the Daily Worker came to the defense of the Jews. When the State of Israel was created in May 1948, it celebrated its independence, which it said should be championed by all progressive forces. When the combined Arab forces attacked the new state, the paper denounced this as Imperialist aggression. It constantly reminded its readers of the role of the British Labour Government in financing and aiding this aggression. This show of support for the creation and defense of the Jewish state stood in stark contrast to the policy of the Labour Government.[…]
>Current left-wing anti-Zionists should note that Marxists of the 1940’s did not see Israel as an ‘ethno-nationalist’ or ‘exclusivist’ state. At the same time as can be seen from this statement and the Daily Worker’s content there is no suggestion that Israel is a colonial project.[44] Quite the reverse in fact, Israel’s Declaration of Independence is seen as blow against colonialism. What is also striking there is no coverage or discussion of Palestinian Arab displacement, a process that began in early 1948 and continued during the international war. The sub-text of this silence is that the Arab suffering was a result of the pro-Imperialist Arab leadership. For the Soviet Union and the communist parties, the world was divided into Imperialism on one side and the forces of progress on the other. Israel is firmly placed in the latter camp. As a consequence, the suffering of the Palestinian Arabs is not the consequence of the creation of the Jewish state but the result of those opposing it.https://fathomjournal.org/communists-for-the-jewish-state-british-communists-and-the-daily-worker-in-1948/ >>2372947Exceedingly common CPU
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>>2372992Funniest fact, actually, modern archeologists were dumbfounded by the fact that the record shows that post-agricultural revolution the found skulls, specifically within which the teeth started showing rottennes.
Like, 300,000 years of human (homo sapiens) evolution, and there's no archeological record of rotten teeth, then suddenly, the agricultural revolution happens, and all the fukken incisors are rotten, delapitated, and so on.
I remember back from my childhood, in the 90's, that there was an article published in NATURE (.com, trademark) about a theory trying to explain this archeological phenomenon, which hypothized that rotten teeth could have been due to homo sapiens losing a certain type of mouth bacteria, thaf previously protected its hygiene.
Turns out, it has nothing to do with fucking bacteria, and everything to do with what we eat.
>>2373019>bacteria, thaf previously* that
Sry
>>2372869> "evangelical" "christianity"who needs anti-religion:
These "Christian nationalists" are clearly satanic capitlaists who would either
1. Lynch the returned Jesus Christ
or
2. Deport his ancestor Ruth and prevent him from existing
>>2373070Did a new esoteric hitlerite cult just drop?
Those bottles in the middle (in front of the Stalin portrait) are from Italy btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vini_Lunardelli, they are most likely italians, the book on the right is also in italian.
>>2373139Need, absolutely.
Will it get it? Probably not.
>>2373143Okay buddy.
>>2373146>Will it get it? Probably not.Not if we don't try. I think the key is to develop a unifying popular program and then using all means necessary to implement that program.
>>2373163 edit
*I love everyone here including king lear. This website would be boring without these schizos.
>>2373199no, they do however allow anti-social behaviors since there are no meaningful punishments, to think of it like this, imagine you have meaningful real life anonymity, if someone annoys you, you can kill them, which is a meaningful, long term punishment, whereas the worst that can happen on an imageboard/really anything without a physical body, is to banish someone, which very quickly can be circumvented
>>2373200that just means people dont have to put on masks anymore and act what they truly want deep inside. In a way their true self unrestrained
>>2373202The image boards have shown me the true heart of man.
And it is grim
>>2373209fair enough that is true
>>2373208perhaps this is only a american phenomena. Should check the other image boards to see if its the same way
>>2372619>>The death toll from flooding in central Texas rises to 32 (AP)It's now 50 and there are still 20 little girls missing. They got swept away to who knows where. Most definitely dead.
On another note, I said yesterday the Willie Nelson/Bob Dylan thing got cancelled but I just was assuming it would be but it turns out it wasn't. Got there in time to catch both of them but we missed the opening acts. It was pretty cool. I think Dylan must've had some special request to not be put up on the Jumbotron because he was the only act it was turned off for. I was surprised too how many people get coming and going the whole show. Also the crowd was talking a lot during the Dylan performance. I think people seemed to enjoy Nelson's performance a bit more yet they still started leaving en-masse before it was over.
Bob Dylan is 84 and Willie Nelson is 92 but he fucking played. I loved his songs "Last Leaf on the Tree" and "Still Ain't Dead" and he even threw in a line in there about this recent fake news that spread on the internet about how he died.
Crazy to think all those people got killed the same day from the same rainstorm.
>>2373206Humanities closest living cousins are Chimps. It really shouldn't be a surprise we are similar.
>>2373208Americans aren't different from anyone else. Point at any country or identity group and it's easily dig up some atrocity.
>>2373222Nice Trips
Yeah they even went to war
>>2373206>muh heckin true selfwhat is this hippie nonsense
>The image boards have shown me the true heart of man.Are you 13? the things people say are obviously influenced by cues from the setting and preexisting culture
>>2373223Apparently humans and chimps split off from a common ancestor 5 to 7 million years ago then bonobos split off from the chimps 2 million years ago.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11128>>2373237Sorry liberals but sex doesn't actually solve everything. Competition correctly directed can be good for society.
>>2373264A fatal flaw in this line of thinking is majority of the population is not gay, lesbian or bi.
>>2373267I was thinking of a more personal competition with peers. People love sports and games for a reason and it can be productively applied to lot of aspects in society.
>>2373313>It’s the whole SAM crap.I don't know what that is.
>That being they lose young men to Trump so they are trying to underhand how to get them back by doing anything but talking to some young menI got it. I'm just making a joke. Imagine if it said "connecting with young women" and it was the same 40 something dudes.
>>2373275> live vicariously through that.Well you just said it your self. They can't personally compete or win so they do it through someone else.
>>2373281>gamification not competition.It's can be both since many games are inherently competitive. But point taken some people don't care for either. Doesn't mean it can't be used for those who do enjoy it.
>>2373285Then they can have all the gay sex they want but for everyone else who is actually straight the bonobo society plan doesn't work.
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