/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Whenever I see such pics, I'm immediately reminded of Mao's dictum: "no investigation, no right to speak!"

Sadly, and mostly due to bourgeois internet, every retard gets a voice.

all propaganda is shit tier by definition, people are majorly moved by class interest not fucking ideas in the abstract

What is the difference between propaganda and agitation

>>2371751
False dichotomy. Class-based propaganda reflects the strivings of said class. You need to read a book.

>>2371759
The term "propaganda" designates ALL speech and written acts that was said/printed in the hopes of moving the general population TOWARDS a certain political goal.

"Agitation" should be considered a subset of "propaganda," being marked or highlighted by its quality of trying to move, rouse, or push people (mostly in speech and visual medium) by appealing to their moral sensibilities.

So for example,
>STALIN.JPEG being bung up in every soviet institution back in the day
Is an example of propaganda,
>Shouting about in a speech how rent prices are too high and we need to imprison landlords for their parasitical behavior
could be considered "agitprop".

I hope I could have helped.

>>2371771
>STALIN.JPEG being bung up in every soviet institution back in the day
* hung up

Sry

>>2371743
>>Muh PHOENIX (mythical creature from like an irrelevant 2000 years old folklore) is like, totally ASHING itself… Uhm… in order to… Uhm… something about property relations I added to this
Are you really too stupid to understand metaphor, allegory, poetic devices etc.?

>>2371773
I'm kind of shocked by the absolute states Russian proles and peasants found themselves in, especially the
>overcome cold
part.

The misery they were in is NOTHING like our "worst off" ppl experience. Like, you could be homeless in London, for example, but you could still recieve state-mandated shelter in the winter months.

Sure, I'm aware of the fact that thousands of homeless ppl freeze to death in Western countries every winter-period in 2024, which is an insignifact % compared to the concrete size of the reserve army of labour and the lumpen-proletariat, but it still strikes me that official Bolshevik propaganda thought it to be wise to include "not fucking freezing to death" among its major propaganda points. Obviously, this must have been a MAJOR problem back in their day and back in that historical context.

And I'm kinda perplexed for being perplexed, for I have known that Russian society was almost completely illiterate, with like 30% of children reared living up to the age of 18, and completely curable diseases culled millions every year…. Still, I'm kind of shocked about this "cold" angle. I did not realize this before, tbh.

>>2371787
And out of 4 points they put it in the propaganda poster as number one

Like, bruh

>>2371776
In a sense, yes. In a sense, no. I have a diploma in the humanities (which only means that I had more pussy than u) so I think I'm qualified to say that some metaphors (etc.) suck ASS, while others are adequate, or great. OP picrel is a case of sucking ass, not because of appealing to a mythical creature, like a unicorn, but because the whole thing is completely fucked from the very beginning

The
>LIFE=DEATH
angle is just indefensible from the very beginning. Slapping onto it some kind of reference to ancient greek mythical creatures is just purely pathetic.

>>2371787
Worse is that freezing to death wasn't just a concern for the "homeless" or "lumpens", you could be a proletarian and freeze to death because you probably lived in one corner of a rotting shack that makes a favela house look like a mansion, while spending all your waking hours working at a factory.

"subsistence wages" and "means of subsistence" aren't some abstract thing, it is literally the minimum cost of keeping the proletarian alive, and in those days if something happened that put the proletarian below the means of subsistence, they'd die.

People have no idea the things they take for granted, that were won through life and death struggle.
But it's also cool to think about how despite the collapse of the USSR, the revolution's effects can be felt even to this day, in that we're still reaping what they've won

>>2371796
>I have a diploma in the humanities (which only means that I had more pussy than u)
You're a weird guy.
>so I think I'm qualified to say that some metaphors (etc.) suck ASS, while others are adequate, or great. OP picrel is a case of sucking ass, not because of appealing to a mythical creature, like a unicorn, but because the whole thing is completely fucked from the very beginning
Man your ChatGPT diploma didn't really give you any training because you write like a retard. The Phoenix is a pretty widely understood expression/concept. Like the word unicorn, there is no problem with using the word unicorn to mean "rare," everyone understand what it means.

>The
>LIFE=DEATH
<angle is just indefensible from the very beginning. Slapping onto it some kind of reference to ancient greek mythical creatures is just purely pathetic.
Your reading comprehension skills are like lower than HS level.

>>2371805
Really I think your level of understanding you've demonstrated is like elementary school level. I'm not just insulting you. Are you just playing dumb for dramatic effect? Can you demonstrate you actually understood more than you have so far?

So far all we have is:
>DEATH=LIFE
>LIFE=DEATH
and
>I know what a Phoenix is.

Pheonix- P-H-E-O-N-I-X
not P-H-O-E-N-I-X

>>2371801
Thanks a lot for this post.


I sometimes wonder what picrel book would have looked like, were it for Engles born in Russia.

>>2371849
>Engles

*Engels

Sry

This is actually very good propaganda and you are just an insufferable retard punkbitch who has no faith in the average person to be compelled by radical messaging.

>>2371805
"ok"

Keep being shitty.

>>2371810
>>I know what a Phoenix is.
This being the most fascinating aspect of it all. "REEEEE, I KNOW HOW 2 PHOENIX" is one of the most hilarious shit I've read this month.

>2371851
>2371851
>2371851
>This is actually very good propaganda
Lol, lmao even

>DEATH=LIFE
>Good luck explaining that to your average Joe
Yes, problem?
>The loss of the old society is no loss for those who have nothing to lose in the old society, and this is the case of the great majority in all countries at the present time. They have rather everything to gain by the downfall of the old society, which is the condition for the establishment of a new society, one no longer based on class antagonisms.

>>2371862
banger

>>2371743
The OP's image only has two problems:
Colors are complete ass for readibility
The design makes no sense.
But the message is alright

>>2371787
Lol, did they run out of blue or is that guy drinking mud?

>>2371950
He is drinking coffee

>>2371862
>DEATH=LIFE=LOSS
uygha, youd'be executed for doing shit-tier and anti-communist work like this, regardless the country, specific century, or specific revolution.

>>2371981
He's one step away from becoming a Hitchens-type right-winger.

>>2371950 (u)
>>2371939 (u)

©Ome back @me when (u) become human, narcissist!

>>2371862
Damn I'm amazed always by how based was Marx. Like this uygha got it. Like proto-liberals in the 1500s, centuries ahead.

>someone got so butthurt by this flag they made a thread about it
thanks for your urgent attention on this very important matter for a thing made 3-4 years ago in a dumb vexillology larp thread that then got uploaded the booru by someone else and then reposted a few times.
>the average joe can't understand that the death of their bourgeois imperialist government is good for the people under that government in the long run
I think the "average joe" that you made up in your head and are tailing for some reason can in fact understand these things but let's say he can't: In that case, good thing the flag was just for people here on leftypol and is not something getting handed out at the grocery store. Also good thing that
> irrelevant 2000 years old folklore
it's regularly used as an analogy for things

>>2371981
>uygha, youd'be executed for doing shit-tier and anti-communist work like this, regardless the country, specific century, or specific revolution.

yeah it's "anticommunist" because ummmmm it just is ok

>>2371982
yeah being against the burger government makes you like Hitchens… the neocon who supported the Iraq war


Reminder: John Brown said pic related which is "just way too crazy for the average joe"… except a few years after he slaughtered slave owning scum and said these words at the gallows thousands of men were marching in a civil war which ended up to end the thing he was precisely aiming to end.

>>2371796
>I have a diploma in the humanities (which only means that I had more pussy than u)
I'm married and have children in America. I make median annual wages. I'm literally the average Joe. I understand the flag ITT just fine and I'm not scared away by it. But in a reactionary imperialist country that needed a civil war to get rid of slavery when all the other British colonies had it legally abolished at an earlier date, maybe it's the correct message. We Americans are perfectly capable of seeing that the government (Amerikkka) doesn't work for us (Americans). We are perfectly capable of seeing that it poisons us, causes mass shootings, destroys other countries, destroys the climate, creates a global migration crisis, outsources, sanctions, embargoes, coups, imposes austerity, busts unions, overworks, underpays, and in a word, exploits the whole world with over 800 offshore military bases including torture dungeons like Guantanamo bay, while building monstrosities like "Alligator Alcatraz" and deporting people who aren't even from El Salvador to some concentration camp….. the flag is perfectly comprehendible under these conditions.