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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Just how fucked is the United States of America? Are we talking point of no return fucked? Does this end in balkanization or is the US on path for something worse?

It's pretty severely fucked. It's in serious need of all kinds of reforms, but all the mechanisms for doing so are dominated by bourgeoisie whose class position absolutely rely on no positive reforms being passed. Their current "plan" right now seems to be trying to catch up to China by immitating its special economic zones with super-sized company towns under their personal control. Since in their heart of hearts they despise everything which made those work I don't think they're gonna have much success one way or another.

>Balkanization

I think there will be a fracturing of authority like what happened during the warlord period in China, but I don't think the geography or culture lends itself to long term balkanization. The US has a huge interior that is only viable because of support from other states and external trade, so even if some bloc or another does break away for a time it won't resist being subsumed back into the whole for very long (on a historical time scale).

Personally I think de facto balkanization is going to come as increasingly severe weather changes induce the government to write off ever larger portions of the country and population. The cost to maintain these places will be too great to justify on the basis of "running the government like a business" and this will be used to force people into the new "special economic zones" the billionaires need to try and reindustrialize. They and these abandoned areas will still be part of the "United States" but in practice they'll more or less be written off except for the most economically essential parts.

Imo this is why the work to develop communist consciousness among rural populations needs to be done now, because eventually this is going to mean an influx of communist minded people, or at least people that have been exposed to these ideas, into these SEZ as they develop, but also as the federal government recedes, the modes of organization in these forsaken areas are most likely going to be religious based with the sort of reactionary communities that can't or won't be integrated into this new arrangement, remnants of other racist associations like the kkk which will probably still receive material support from the rump US government, and whatever communist organizations manage to lay roots there.

>>2372921
I don't think there's ever such a thing as a "point of no return", things can always happen, but the odds are not good.

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>>2372965
>It's in serious need of all kinds of reforms

Balkanization, mass debt default and repudiation is what is necessary for any chance of increased quality of life in America.

>>2373196
Sorry I don't recognize the man in the image so your message is unclear

>>2373268
Ferdinand Lassalle, founder of the SPD in germany.

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>>2372921
Sadly, nothing exciting like that, just probably some more decades of this same old bullshit til you perish. America jumped the shark. It'll be like the Simpsons, Family Guy, Southpark etc. It will go on until the end of time because it makes someone money somewhere supposedly, but no one will care.

>>2372921
this seems like something people say every 4-8 years and it never is more likely than the last time someone said it. USA hasn't seen instability that in anyway rivals the civil war (or even the 1960s riots) The current president is like a nostalgic redo of Ronald Reagan.

>Are we talking point of no return fucked?
The world doesn't work like that. Time marches forward.

Even if it does not collapse, it will be changed. It's up to us, collectively, to decide if it changes into something beautiful or something even more horrifying.

>>2373420
>The world doesn't work like that.
It totally does, though. Quantitative changes become qualitative changes. Dialectics! You should try that.

the US is falling this year bro this one is it for real this time

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I just put in your parameters into the dialectics machine and it made this sad trombone sound and spit out a piece of paper which just said FUCKED in big letters

>>2372921
Yellowstone will explode

hopefully terminally fucked

There will need to be serious, SERIOUS constitutional reforms for the entire way the US Capitol works. What has functionally happened, is that politicians have lawfared their way into creating cheat codes for US' safeguards and Governing systems, to either gridlock the entire thing, or cheat it whenever they want. The Supreme Court as it's set up is fucking insane. If the Dems don't stack the court next time they hold power, then honestly, they are not a serious party that cares about any serious reform.
Lets be real, there is going to be zero stacking of the courts.

America’s time in the spotlight has long since passed, but if you think it’s going to break apart or magically become communist anytime within the next century at least you’re delusional. The death of America will be a slow process with its productive forces gradually eroding as it runs out of cheap migrant labor and spoils from imperialism, its former victims increasingly able to assert themselves thanks to development from BRICS. Eventually as Europe collapses into barbarism America will be left completely isolated to slowly rot in its own stagnant filth while the rest of the world moves on without it

>>2372921
I don't know why America is supposed to be so over now to you people. Just because it's not the 90s and there is some opposition doesn't mean it's over. It's still a big country with a lot of industry that's in the most defensible position in the entire world. America regularly engages in successful regime change and their positions are improving in the middle east. The fact that they have any middle east positions at all is a sign that it's so far from over.

>>2373589
It’s desperate cope from western leftists who’ve graduated college with a useless degree, because unless the revolution is imminent it means they actually have to work for a living to enjoy the full share of imperial treats and the current generation of western young adults is so privileged and spoiled they would literally rather die

>>2373589
>>2373600
So… the US in invincible and it isn't suffering a great divide inside?

>>2373604
Hardly. Amerikkka is a paper tiger and sliding into irrelevance, it’s just doing so at a normal pace and with no revolutionary potential among its populace it’s going to stay that way

>>2372921
this country has industry no other nation besides China has so it's not going anywhere

>>2373604
What do you mean by "divide"? The ruling class doing whatever it wants as usual?

>>2373615
>What do you mean by "divide"? The ruling class doing whatever it wants as usual?
Ruling class is actually divided. Some are betting on 2010s status quo, others on technocracy and others on the Republic of Gilead.

>>2373618
>muh heckin Handmaidens Tale!!!!!!
Oh so you’re a radlib, makes a lot of sense that you buy into the kayfabe

>>2373270
Oh, sorry but I'm not familiar so I don't quite get what you're alluding to.

>>2373621
The Gilead stuff is off the mark but I do think they're right about the ruling class being divided. I think what we saw with this last election was a contest between the more radical billionaires, especially those in tech, and the more conservative sections of the bourgeoisie. On the one hand you've got technocrats that want to minimize or abolish democratic interference entirely, and a whole political class reliant on acting as the middle men between business and the political system. Another dimension of the conflict is the billionaire class cannibalizing the millionaire class. In the desperate struggle to keep up profits, outfits like Amazon are trying to muscle out the "local gentry" from businesses which have traditionally supported them like car dealerships.

Imo the level of wealth that billionaires have, coupled with the need for profits so large that they can only come directly from or with the active participation of the government, is driving a bifurcation of the western bourgeoisie. A historical parallel would be the knights and barons wars of the later middle ages, when smaller local landowners were no longer necessary and were eventually "rationalized" by their larger aristocrat competitors.

>>2373218
Honestly yeah the US is too big and the federal system is fucking retarded.

>>2373600
Just curious, what were your politics like in 2016?

>>2373576
>Eventually as Europe collapses into barbarism America will be left completely isolated to slowly rot in its own stagnant filth while the rest of the world moves on without it
A more multipolar world with mena countries developing is certainly possible but this part is fantastical, massive cope that doesn't check out with history. I should also mention that the US currently has a successful genocidal vassal state in mena, people in this thread are kinda brushing over that.

Americas position as the dominant capitalist power began to show its cracks in the 70's when the US, with their economy essentially controlled by the price of Saudi oil, decided to take radical austerity and neo-liberal measures to grow the economy and eliminate inflation. The events transpiring now are just the culmination of that damage revealing itself, with China effortlessly taking over.

>>2374517
> I should also mention that the US currently has a successful genocidal vassal state in mena, people in this thread are kinda brushing over that.

Assuming you're referring to Israel, it's on borrowed time as well. Its success hinges entirely on the patronage it receives from the US, and without the US imposed regimes of its neighbors, the military production of its patron, and the protection of nato, Israel is doomed.

None of those things are assured any more for a variety of interrelated reasons. This conflict with Iran is revealing just how fragile and increasingly ineffective a tool Israel is becoming. The cost/benefit of supporting the state was much more profitable when Israel enjoyed technological superiority over its neighbors, but that advantage has been eroded to virtually nothing. Then there is the cost of what Isreal is doing in the minds of the diaspora, but even more so in all the populations those non-israeli jews are living in. Israeli lobbyists have a lot of money to influence politics, but it's not infinite in volume or effectiveness.

Then there's the military aspect. The might of the US military is in its sheer size, but much of its armament is cold war era and institutional problems have prevented it from developing and deploying modern replacements. Recent developments have proven that what is available is unfit for task, as the expensive weapons systems that the usm and its allies use aren't any more effective thsn their opponents', which can be made in greater volumes at lower costs. This current stage of the Iran/Israel conflict came to a halt because Israeli AD couldn't stop Iranian missiles, and they were days away from running out of interceptors entirely. Nor could they absorb the damage inflicted on them like Iran could.

I think also like we're seeing with Ukraine, as US/Nato priorities shift, they don't lose any sleep about leaving their "allies" out to dry. The biggest concern for Israel right now aside from Iran is Turkiye which represents a potential rival in the same space that Israel is seeking to expand into. I think the past several years show a tendency in Turkiye to act contrary to the rest of NATO’s interests in the service of their own. They were willing to collaborate with the destruction of Syria, but now that Assad is gone I think eventually circumstances are going to develop there which put them both at loggerheads.

Israel is a "success" right now, but I think that they're going to "succeed" themselves to death.


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