/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2375028
>Intuitively, we know that capital did not originate in humans.
Capital is created by the economy and the economy is created by humans, thus capital is a human creation.

>>2375327
No, it was aliens

>>2375406
The possibility of an extraterrestrial or extradimensional origin of capital should not be overlooked, but it would be difficult to begin looking for evidence of this. However, I do think if one looked at records of astronomical events like the passing of comets or at oracular predictions made prior to the arrival of capital on Earth, one might find something worth digging into. Maybe an obscure monk in some remote abbey presaged the arrival of capital as demons entering into the world.

>>2375406
No, capital is a time-travelling artificial intelligence from the future.

>>2375431
Self-curating market rules charter, indistinguishable from AI

>>2375028
> For example: capital as a zoonotic virus. Does the arrival of capital in the human world coincide with human disturbance of a particular ecosystem, increased prevalence of husbandry of a particular animal, an unusual climate or weather pattern which might have resulted in sustained human interaction with a population of birds or insects etc.

Well, consider colonialism and the new world. It seems clear to me that the introduction of capital to an Indigenous population is strongly associated with deaths by disease.

In general, capital has been associated with environmental catastrophe and mass extinction. So it's possible capital has leaped backwards from humans to other forms of life as well.

>>2375028
The sketch of an analysis you are presenting i find interesting, but the direction you are taking is bound to be limited. In line with some of the new point of views that are struggling to suspend the anthropocentric, "consciousness-centric" way of seeing the systems and processes commonly labelled as societies, the economy etc., I think this is the general line to go in order to do serious advancement in understanding world systems, a line in which, by the way, marxism has a long lead. But your problem is that you are trying to do a reductionism of all these phenomena into the domain of evolutionary biology, when evolutionary biology is only one dimension in this painstakingly complex world system-process. If you reduce the socio-economic dimension, which is autonomous (literally it has its own laws, even though they are related to those of other dimensions) your model of this process is bound to loose complexity. You should instead try an emergentist and holistic approach, trying to integrate the different dimensions into a system that explains their relations.

In other words: even though the phenomena studied in chemistry are an effect of those studied in physics you can't reduce the former to the latter because of new emergent properties that arise at the chemical level, properties that are partially explained but not exhaustively accounted for by physics. Society, or whatever name you want to give it, is probably the most complex phenomena we have access too, because it has the most amount of emergent qualities. In society, quantum physics, evolutionary biology, political economy… all these different dimensions are being interplayed in there. Not to mention the fact that we, being part of this same society, when it comes to "knowing ourselves" in this sense, we are immediately thrown into a dimension of philosophical problems that have to do with reflexivity, all the epistemological and even ontological problems that we are faced with by the complexity of such an operation, the fact that a part of the universe is trying to know itself and the rest of the part, it is not an easy matter at all to theorize. Thats why your analysis of capital cannot be reduced to the framework you are presenting, the issue is much more tough and you need to be responsible towards all this complexity. Marxism is a good way of integrating all of this

>>2375028
uyghas will do absolutely anything to avoid talking about political economy and the class struggle. But at least this kind of thing is more interesting than continental philosophers smearing their own shit on the walls or gramscians vibesing about culture. You would probably enjoy Ian Wright.

>>2375406
>>2375028
no its an AI from the future per nick land

>>2376672
That's a comforting thought, that humans will even be around long enough to develop such a thing, that we won't all be extinct in six years.

>>2375028
holy fucking shit STOP WITH THIS SCHIZO NONSENSE YOU FUCKING RETARDS.
CAPITAL IS JUST ECONOMY AND CLASS SOCIETY SHIT. NOTHING ELSE

>>2377402
But surely the reserve pool of labor is an extra-economic factor? Couldn't it be said that the marking of the unemployed for death, the creation of homo sacer, is the foundation of capital?

I suppose it follows that capital first originated in the first death from unemployment. I always felt that capital first started in Europe because of the cold and the snow. It's harder to leave people out to die in the warmer countries. In a way, capital is snow.

>>2377409
CEASE NOW

>>2377402
There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
>>2377409
>the first death from unemployment
That's pretty interesting, I dig that one..
>>2377540
This is just exploration and discovery for their own sakes.

>>2377409
>I always felt that capital first started in Europe because of the cold and the snow.
i thought it started with the dutch and english because boats and coast and shitty weather for agriculture