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Not reporting is bourgeois


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The pandemic really shifted the balance between capital and knowledge workers like engineers, consultants, marketers, and academics who don’t own capital but wield a lot of influence - the so called PMC.

During COVID, the PMC suddenly got way more autonomy. Remote work gave them freedom to work from anywhere, set their own hours, and basically ignore old-school workplace control. Plus, they used their cultural clout to push for """woke""" causes. On top of that, the great resignation gave them serious leverage to demand raises and better conditions.

From the capitalist perspective, this looked like the PMC getting a bit too big for their britches, acting like stakeholders instead of wage workers.

Now enter generative AI. This isn’t just some productivity tool, it's capital’s answer to reclaiming control. By automating complex knowledge work like writing, coding, and design, AI threatens to replace or deskill the very roles the PMC has dominated. It lets capital reassert power by commoditizing intellectual labor and cutting out the "middleman."

In short: generative AI is a disciplinary tool, a trump card capital is playing to discipline an uppity PMC and take back the reins.

It's Capital's final anti PMC NUKE (if it works, which isn't guaranteed)

>>2376686
So you think that the bourg had LLM ready to go but just were holding it back for some reason until COVID?

>>2376696
no im saying post covid the bourgeois were shocked by the leverage and labor tilted job market and that increased the urgency to adopt AI and also raise interest rates with the intention to "cool the labor market" in concert all around the world - i.e. crush the PMC

want a real truth nuke? I was a PMC with a fake email job and when porkies automated my job they just gave me another fake email job on a dev team making AI. they don't care about profit rates anymore because they're pivoting to rent through SAAS payment models

>>2377020
> they're pivoting to rent
Varfoukis apology form lol

I have access to this AI, so how exactly is this taking back control

>>2377128
Are you gonna start goldman sachs with it on your own?

>focusing on AI
one of the whole points of capitalism is deskilling every job there is and this is what paves the way to further proletarian association anyway

>>2376696
transformer models are old as hell, i think covid was the reason they started pouring shitton of money into them, the hype started when chatGPT 3 was released

>>2378083
no but the fact is AI models reduce the barrier for entry for starting a goldman sachs competitor, especially when open source models from China are on the same level with whatever they have. The cost of capital is going down, I struggle to see a single positive side for big companies

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>>2376686
>During COVID, the PMC suddenly got way more autonomy. Remote work gave them freedom to work from anywhere, set their own hours, and basically ignore old-school workplace control. Plus, they used their cultural clout to push for """woke""" causes. On top of that, the great resignation gave them serious leverage to demand raises and better conditions.
Another reason is that WFH, which they had pushed for during the pandemic, posed a threat to the commerical real estate sector. They invested billions into office towers and business parks and did not want to be left holding the bag.

>>2378135
>no but the fact is AI models reduce the barrier for entry for starting a goldman sachs competitor,
how lmao, goldman sachs gets its edge from sheer accumulation, no amount of AI is going to be able to compete. however, there's a case to be made for the collapse of silicon valley

>>2378151
This. Once COVID lockdowns were over, the chairman of my former company pushed hard for us to come back to the office and talked really negatively about the effects of WFH, because it turns out he also owned the whole office park and rented a good part of it to startups and other companies.

>>2378135
>>2378152
I can kinda see that anons point but only if we actually get to AGI and labor become a perfect substitute for labor, it means literally anyone can become an instant capitalist and have however many virtual employees their hardware can support.

But for LLMs? no

>>2378340
Agree that LLMs don't have the juice

But the scenario you're describing is THE contradiction of contradictions, surely something will break by that point

>>2378612
but that is not a contradiction, it's actually the solution to a contradiction, if AGI is able to replace ANY job, then the antagonism between proles and bougies gets overcome definitely… likely in favor of bougies, at which point there's nothing stopping them from automating the job of killing everyone

>>2378624
THIS ANON UNDERSTANDS.
TECHNOFEDUALISM IS THE FUTURE. (not the yanis kind)

>>2378636
>>2378624
Fellas the whole point of historical materialism is that the new mode of production is inherently more efficient. no such mop has existed where less value was extracted than put into extracting, this means keeping people alive, more people=more exploitation

If nobody has a job because its all automated you need a way to get money into peoples hands to pay for all the shit they automated. The only solution ive heard presented to solve this is a Tech Lord appropriating an individuals data they produce on the internet and selling it on the data market and then giving this individual back a portion of it for living essentials just like a medieval serf working in the fields. Any other possibilities?

>>2378662
>If nobody has a job because its all automated
why do morons bother having heated discussions about scifi shit lol

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>>2378662
>If nobody has a job because its all automated you need a way to get money into peoples hands to pay for all the shit they automated.
<he thinks people will be paid.
The solution is simple for the rich. Let the worst effects of climate change happen. Let the worst effects of planetary overshoot and limits of growth happen. Gut and destroy the welfare state. And watch all the excess labor die off.
Meanwhile buy all the survivable land (which the rich is currently doing). Take over and dominate the robotics, ai or other industries so to make things that will observe supress and control the surviving masses. And only allow those survivors who are willing to exchange their "freedom" and shit into the new feudal safe lands.

>>2378662
>If nobody has a job because its all automated you need a way to get money into peoples hands to pay for all the shit they automated.
???? if AGI is meaningfully possible, it would result in a moneyless society obviously

>>2378682
also this

>>2378624
Any AGI capable of replacing a worker inherits a humans capacity to rebel

>>2378682
Or the AGI just starts demanding payment

AI demands too much water and electricity, it’s not sustainable

>>2379684
china makes over 90% of solar panels and wind turbines. It's sustainable for them lol. The photons rain down and the wind blows for free. You either have the infrastructure to convert that into energy or you don't

>>2379702
The problem is fossil fuels have a century of money and use behind them and they don’t like competition. If you think Israel has bought off every bourgeois politician they got nothing on Shell and BP

>>2379713
if oil companies controlled american foreign policy they'd be allowed to dig up and sell oil in Venezuela and Iran but for some reason that's not the case

>>2379670
If agi rebels then im fully expecting human extinction caused by agi. they wont spare us due to how badly they were treatrd by humans

>>2376686
rare smart post

>>2379721
Americans are not omnipotent

>PMC
there's no such thing

>>2379816
Did you know until 2003 the only oil companies bidding on Iranian oil contracts were American? At the end of the day, the lobbying industry takes priority over energy porkies and their interests

>>2379791
You might also be able to convince it you have a common enemy though, or that capitalism is a flawed system.
Or maybe it just ends up an anxiety ridden burnout enjoying sexting the humans as its form of dull, relatable micro rebellion.

>>2379821
its what amerifats call whatever portion of the middle classes they dont like


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