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>>2378062 >>2378984It's not just Americans, most of the world is like that.
I'm not saying billions must die, but I need weed.
>>2379017>wonder why I (correctly) call you a strasserite."Wonder why" implies I actually care about your opinion. You're a hysterical narcissist, that's about it.
Again: you make it a way easier choice by being such a cunt. What, am I supposed to cry if someone like you gets killed?
I have for whatever reason have been compelled into DSA politics and it seems that the right flank is trying to gain power via making it so that endorsements and National Political Committee (NPC) are elected by the members (1 Member 1 Vote aka 1M1V). They did this because NPC unendorsed AOC, but when polled (I heard it wasn't a good one, like a StrawPoll or Twitter poll), the members went 70-30 re-endorse. So they got mad at it. The main champions of the DSA right is Socialist Majority Caucus and Groundwork. They are basically the people that want entryism forever. DSA left want an independent party. Well, both super duper want it, but the DSA right says it is never the time. The NYC-DSA seems to be the hotbead of the DSA right, where they have been using Mamdani's win as a cudgel and rallying cry for the resolution to pass.
Something is apparently, they do have 1M1V, but once elected, they don't hold general meetings, separate group chats are banned (they say currently), and descisons are run by basically a central comittee. It's all election work. Honestly, good for them in a way. I have been kinda been seeing org democracy as a hinderance than a good thing. Been interested in the failures of German and Italian left of post-WW1. And a part of their problem was indecisiveness. So even if they're the right flank, I have to give them credit. Both for creating an effective org in their eyes and having the balls to take power.
>>2379070you seem like you need meds
>>2379071hmm i see…..chungus
>>2379064
>but please keep cheering for the illegal occupation of Mauritian territory
>Our cause is just, though poor and stupid, WE WILL WIN
I don't even know where "Chagos" is, and if it weren't for this conversation I still wouldn't know where it is. I don't know who the Mauritians are, and I don't fucking care. Just fucking revolt if you want to or don't, it's completely irrelevant to me. It isn't that I'm "cheering on" your occupation, it's that if it weren't for the past five minutes I wouldn't even know you existed.
So please, be my guest, and do that revolt. I have no clue what you're revolting against because I don't even know what Chagos is, maybe America built bases there or maybe there's some companies there, I genuinely don't know and I don't care. Revolt or don't, it's your decision not mine.
>>2379079I know
>>2379078thats not why im saying you need meds. Im saying you need meds because you are acting a bit unstable
>>2379129*gets deported instead
*turns into revolutionary matyr
probably his best fate
>>2379153>>2379150>>2379151volunteer to be a mod if you hate the current modocracy so much (you won't)
>>2379151not true. anarchists also get banned for doing sectarianism. reeeeeeeeing about "tankies" does get deleted if you bother to report it.
>>2378984siiiigh…
the only chance the US got to get some real change was mid 20th century, and once they sat as the top imperial power, they didn't bother no more.
>>2379168><ok do it, I don't like my life anyway, xi please nuke meLITERALLY ME
LITERALLY ME
>>2379184There wouldn't be as much antagonism with the Soviet Union, since foreign policy is with the executive. Helps reds infested his staff
>>2379187Kinda. Just helps to not have a worm like Truman in.
>>2379194The question would be, could the labor movement have pushed back on it? I do think it's somewhat possible.
>>2379202>Helps reds infested his staffthat would just make the upcoming mcarthyism get worst
I can image it now:
WALLACE IS A COMMIE SYMPATHIZER. HES TOO SYMPATHETIC WITH THE UNION. THERES REDS IN HIS STAFF
>>23792371830*
(1860 is a bit late, whoops)
First worlders experience PTSD at far higher rates than third worlders. No this is not only due to ability to see doctors
Within the United States, Canada, and Europe, PTSD rates have remained stable despite steady decreases in the most common causes of PTSD like violent crime and rape.22 People get PTSD not necessarily based on the objective violence of an event but instead upon whether they experience an event as traumatic-and what events seem traumatic shifts over time.
Creeping concepts of harm (and increasing vulnerability) may also help explain why PTSD rates are higher in affluent countries than in countries that face higher rates of adversity and violence; for instance, the PTSD rate is six times higher in Canada than Mexico, despite Canada's being objectively safer. The clinical psychology professor and PTSD expert Richard McNally writes, "Improvements in standards of living, including reductions in violence, may render people sensitive to stressors that would have seldom affected their grandparents. Perhaps the better things get, the more sensitive we become." 24
When our mind is motivated to detect something, it will usually find it, even if it means shifting the criterion of detection, whether that's changing what counts as "dark" dots or what counts as "harm-ful." Of course, you might argue that there is still some objective truth external to our perceptions of these concepts: some dots are physically brighter than others, some foods are more or less nutritious, and some acts cause more or less physical damage. But the objective, physical world is always filtered through the subjectivity of our minds. The concepts of darkness, food, and harm are all ultimately psychological concepts, and as with all concepts what counts as a member of each category is influenced both by our internal motivations and by our external context.
>>2379271And this confirms it too
PTSD more likely to affect people in affluent countries, scientists say
Paradoxical findings show post-traumatic stress disorder may be less common in places more vulnerable to tragic events
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/27/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd-more-likely-to-affect-people-in-affluent-countries-scientists-say >>2379280North AmeriKKKans not even top 10 most comfortable people in the world
>>2379283t. Eugenicist de-growther malthuSSianoid
>>2379278>>2379279
>The scientists, from the Netherlands, Australia and London, say they appear to have uncovered a paradox. They expected to find that countries with higher vulnerability to tragic events – because of factors such as malnutrition, poor sanitation and low incomes – would experience higher levels of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Instead, they found that the highest levels were in countries that were far better off.
>Their paper, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry, finds that Canada has the highest levels of PTSD, followed by the Netherlands, Australia, the US and New Zealand. The lowest levels were found in Nigeria, China and Romania.
>“PTSD has often been linked to something that violates your expectations,” said Prof Chris Brewin from University College London, one of the authors. “You thought you were living in a world which is basically safe, people are basically well disposed toward you, and something happens that completely turns those ideas upside down. It is thought that makes it really hard for people to get over these events
>“But if you’ve been brought up in a very different society, you may not have so many of these illusions to start with. You already see the world as a much more dangerous place and it may not be so surprising when something terrible happens.”
>It was a paradox because it was very well established that individuals or groups – such as ethnic minorities – suffering from social, economic or educational disadvantage within any country were at higher risk of PTSD than their better-off neighbours, said Brewin.
>“Everyone assumed that the citizens of countries with fewer economic advantages would similarly be at greater risk and you’d have higher rates of PTSD than in more developed countries. But the interesting thing is we found exactly the opposite is the case,” he added.
>Countries where more traumatic events occurred, such as wars, natural disasters and accidental deaths, had higher rates across the board. “The very curious thing – and I think we’re the first people to identify this – is that countries which are less well economically resourced and generally have much smaller health services and poorer psychiatric services actually have lower rates [of PTSD] than countries like ours,” said Brewin.
>The authors said it was not to do with better diagnosis or more treatments for PTSD in the wealthier countries. The data came from representative samples of the populations in all 24 surveyed countries, where people were randomly contacted and interviewed to establish the levels of PTSD.
>“PTSD is quite a controversial disorder and some people have argued we just don’t measure it properly – it’s a western concept we’re trying to impose on people from different cultures,” said Brewin. “But, in fact, we know know that although there are minor cultural variations, basically people from all over the world show the same syndrome. So it’s probably not that
>“And when we looked at figures for depression we found the same pattern: countries with the greater resources had the higher rates of depression as well, and there is not really an argument about how to measure depression cross-culturally – that’s well accepted.” >>2379288>countries which are less well economically resourced and generally have much smaller health services and poorer psychiatric services actually have lower rates [of PTSD] than countries like oursmaybe that's because PTSD doesn't even get diagnosed in places without "psychiatric services" and didn't they just say earlier
>Countries where more traumatic events occurred, such as wars, natural disasters and accidental deaths, had higher rates across the board.which seems to contradict the theory that it's just experienced in the core.
all in all misleading (i am being serious unlike my previous reply)
>>2379291>making pacts with Naziseveryone has explained the historical context of the M-R pact a million times to you and you always ignore it. stalin spent the 30s trying to make an anti-fascist alliance with the british and french. they rebuffed him because they hated communism more than fascism and wanted hitler to go east and slaughter slavs, jews, and communists. When hitler started attacking countries besides the USSR they appeased him at first, but only then did they become increasingly worried that he would attack allies of the west like poland and france. only when that happened did they finally ally with the USSR to beat hitler.
countries like england, france, italy, and even poland all signed non aggression pacts with hitler BEFORE the USSR did. it is only when the USSR realized that hitler was going to invade soon and the liberal democracies were not up for an anti-fascist alliance did they sign a non aggression pact and invade poland in order to buy time and move their factories east so that they would be able to survive the eventual nazi invasion. everyone who is an honest historian knows the soviets were trying to buy time and acknowledge the soviet efforts to make an anti-fascist alliance in the 30s while there was plenty of time. Even the US government dept. of history acknowledges this on their website. It is completely reactionary narrative to pretend stalin loved hitler and that the USSR signed a non aggression pact with germany just to split up poland for no reason other than a love of war and death. You literally outdo the US government in your reactionary interpretation of history
>>2379304>The data came from representative samples of the populations in all 24 surveyed countries, where people were randomly contacted and interviewed to establish the levels of PTSD.that seems bogus. the first assertion (authors said it was not to do with better diagnosis or more treatments for PTSD in the wealthier countries) it isn't backed by the explanation that follows.
They would have to post the number of medical personnel trained in PSTD diagnosis per capita for each country, and the diagnosis in overall each person does per year. that would be the correct evidence-backed argument that corroborates the assertion. The study is pseudo-scientific, flawed at best, trash at worst.
I'd argue, there should be a plethora of studies criticizing that study on internet. well, in the niches places of internet where PSTD is discussed extensively.
>>2379306Stalinists were in such a need for an anti-nazi alliance that they instead traded with Nazis and betrayed communists in favor of them?
Just take the L and accept that your hero was friends with Nazis until they attacked him directly and also armed the Nakba.
>>2379193>ethnic cleansing They are Mauritians though. The Chagos Islands weren't populated until the French imported Mauritian slaves to the island in the very late 1790s. Less than 2000 people were moved off the island in the 1960s leaving only the military personal. Not great to be forcefully moved but how are they any different from other landless Mauritians being shuffled around by landlords?
>>2379304>The authors said it was not to do with better diagnosis or more treatments for PTSD in the wealthier countries. Well if the authors insist on it, then it must be true!
Seriously how can you be such a chump?
>>2379351nobody
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>>2379391correction:
iron felix is chris chan
>>2379348>its grim when you realize some of the people/anons here might have government positions in the future communist usa.Nobody here is going to be holding any position of any importance. You actually have to have people behind you first. You can hype yourselves up about China putting you in power all you want but this isn't how China actually operates.
>Imagine iron felix becomes general secretaryThe only way he'll ever be remembered in history would be as a schizo patsy set up to justify repression like the Dutch communist accused of burning down the Reichstag.
>>2379396>iron felix is chris chanNo, Comrade King is Chris-chan. Look at how they both write.
>>2379408arguing is immaterial
theses are immaterial
only bullet is material
>>2379418>I fail to see how America is irrevocably worse than say Western Europe for instance.Hot take: The USA's real purpose is to be NATO's "heel". The "bad cop" that takes the brunt of the heat of behalf of all of the G7/NATO.
"Oh, don't look at us
civilized Europeans and Canadians! We would never do that! We would
never be like the uncouth evil Burgers!"
>>2379271Wait a second
Does this mean that the elevated suicide rate in trans people in the US is because lots of them come from middle to upper middle class treatler family
Like think about it man you never see a transperson in the third world having suicidal ideation despite objectively living in one of the worst conditions on Earth (a sexual minority in an exploited and usually conservative nation)
And no mods i'm not being transphobic. If this is true then the supposedly "high" suicide rates of trans people in the US has less to do with being trans or and much more to do with affluent capitalism itself. The mental illness isn't being queer; the mental illness is being a middle class American!
>>2379366I feel like people writing this forgot the fact that the last time White Nationalists are active in the US they were lynching blacks for visiting the wrong shoe store
Ofc whignatism will have bad press. Meanwhile judeonationalists did most of their atrocities outside of the country, in a place that most AmeriKKKans already considered hostile after 9/11. Jews are not lynching people and firebombing churches in American streets. The moment Palestine happened and their atrocities went viral their power just collapsed. That is all it is. Whignats just couldn't accept that most normies don't like violence or lynchings or throwing babies to crocodiles
>>2379588I'd say that its because of urban capitalism promoting safetyism but even back then many people (who wasn't Southron) was alarmed by right wing terrorists like the Klan or White League killing representatives even if only because they saw it as lawlessness. Even the fucking nazis made fun of the klan and lynchings
I think the key factor in these lynchings are rural people, or rather rural areas in transformation to urban capitalism. Ofc there is the obv example of the South but even in WW2 the worst pogroms and racial violence generally happened in these halfway rural countries in Eastern Europe (i.e Yugoslavia or Ukraine or the Baltics) much more than even in Germany itself where the Kristalnacht was coordinated from start to finish by SS men rather than an organic lynching
>>2379602they would just replace him with another trumpoid
presidential assassination fixes nothing, if anything that shit solidified his victory
>>2379587>‘If you go into Ukraine, I’m gonna bomb the s–-t out of Moscow,” Trump told his donors. “‘I’m telling you, I have no choice—the public.’ So he goes like, ‘I don’t believe you.’ He said, ‘No way.’ And I said, ‘Way.’”>“I’m with President Xi of China. I said the same thing to him. I said, you know, ‘If you go into Taiwan, I’m gonna bomb the s–-t out of Beijing.’ He thought I was crazy. He said, ‘Beijing?! You’re gonna bomb-’ I said, ‘I have no choice. I got to bomb you. We’re gonna bomb Bei-’ and he didn’t believe me either.”Trump never said any of that to Putin or Xi. He was clearly talking the shit to braindead migatards clapping like seals.
>>2379592If they didn't have nukes we would have attacked decades ago.
Realistically major governments will have some very expensive deep mountain facilities that could potentially withstand nukes but not even billionaires could afford those. Billionaires have comparatively cheap luxury bunkers that they can hide out in for a while but not even they could survive full scale nuclear war.
>>2379636the problem I have with "nuclear war is the final measure of capitalism" is how would all the shareholders and capitalists and corporations justify something that is the direct opposite of economic growth
nuclear war isn't going to mobilise the economy or anything
>>2379641but they can profit from climate change
trump is 100% aware of climate change, he doesn't deny it in private, climate change can open up new avenues for continued resource exploitation and new trade route openings which american companies can monopolise on
>>2379629>fuck this gusano freak>>2379004 had it right re gusanos.
these people seem a joke though, they are dressed the most slovenly i've ever seen anyone dress for something, bottom right looks like she's in pajamas, official and the government man couldn't even be bothered to turn up so they're looking at a tv like weirdos.
Think it's safe to say it's over for the cuban diasporas dream of taking cuba.
>>2379643why would they stop climate change
that would impact the oil and gas companies and we can't have that because america is one of the biggest producers and importers of petroleum and crude oil
>>2379683The biggest truthnuke is that nobody is coming to save us and even this site's darlings (China, Russia, s.merica) have massive problems with them.
Third worldists cannot cope with the reality that if america cannot go socialist, then there will always be an axis of anti-communist power in the world exporting socialism chuddism and subtly regime changing even 'communist' nations from within. A good example of this is how TERFism has gotten a hold in CHYNAH or how Russia has a not-insignificant number of people who worship american capitalists like elon or trump because of shared social values.
The future of humanity hinges on the revolutionary potential of NYC's proles.
>>2379708China cracked down on a lot of lib/western feminism but one of the things that have evaded the CCP's critique is the kind of 'feminism' you see from radfems/TERFs (since it's predominantly british and korean-sourced rather than american). This has allowed their class-unconscious, anti-male, and anti-lgbt ideology to flourish. Another factor is that the anti-trans bills in the west have started to influence other nations worldwide. You'll see chinese radfems/femcels parrot the same thing the heritage shits out on a daily basis and until recently (post-covid, think 2022) it wasn't successful.
>>2379722Even if you don't give a single fuck about transhumanists, you should be aware of their subversive element. Look at how badly they captured the british population thanks to billionaire funding. It's a trojan horse for rightoid ideology to destabilize socialist/communist nations and movements by shifting the focus from class issues to 'sex based' issues and the constant spectre of 'le rapemen hurting trve womyn'.
I think my biggest issue with the internet is that you can't resolve things through violence, but you could say things to someone that would cause violence to be the only means to restore your respect in the situation, which means I'm constantly just crashing out on things and about things. Thankfully now I have a location and I will just send you my address, and I think that's the play going forward. We're not doing internet arguments. You can pull up to where I'm at with a gun and we can handle shit, or you can shut the fuck up, and I think that's the way forward. If you're not willing to stand on business when you talk shit, then don't talk shit because people get killed over talking shit where I'm from.
Gwt disrespected by someone, then violence is the only way you can earn back that respect. Like, if someone disrespects you, especially if they disrespect you in front of your woman, you gotta fight them. And that's old-school Southern shit that these internet motherfuckers who spend all their time working their office jobs in fuckin' Manhattan will never understand.
>>2379769>turning X into the Everything Appdid they tho? isn't it just twitter with more AI crap?
this is nothing like actual "everything apps" like weibo
>>2379687>>2379711>reeeee the NYT told me Iran banned dog walking, it must be true.what's next? Hamas' baked raped beheaded babies is also true?
you are at best redditors coming in for a moment to troll, at worst feds fedposting.
>>2379901Over 600 innocent Iranian civilians died for nothing, while Pissrael and the U.S. act with impunity. Trump now considers bombing them again, which will likely happen. I hope you're just taking the piss here.
>>2379907Speak english. Yes, I am angry that many people have died for nothing and palestinians are still being murdered while Yemen is still the only country brave enough standing up for them.
>>2379683woah so real
>>2379706woah cool blackpill poop post after NYT article
>>2379989Not everybody here is the same anon.
I just saw you crying again about something that doesn't matter like at all 😭😢
Always the same argumentative tactics with you, you're always about murder fantasies of proles in the third world, its amazing how much of a professional victim you are 😂
>>2379996Just vibes again and another manifesto about how much you love Iran instead of debunking anything.
>>2379999I am outside lil bro. What now?
>>2380003Debunking what? What argument? Are you a schizo?
Its a NYT article lmaaaaaaaoooooooo
>>2380006Debunking what? The thing the article says you retard? How is it that hard for you?
>It's a new york article brooo duuuudeThen just counter it instead of throating Iran. You retards constantly take these burger articles and xeets as fact. What's the difference now
>>2380009>Iran le bad>shilling IranI mean, sure. You are shilling it.
>>2380087>China and Russia absolutely do tariff imports.China has dropped all tariffs to developing countries:
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202506/19/content_WS68534671c6d0868f4e8f3733.html>GENEVA, June 18 – China has notified the World Trade Organization (WTO) of its expanded zero-tariff policy for least developed countries (LDCs) that maintain diplomatic relations with Beijing, raising product coverage from 98 percent to 100 percent.>The new policy, which took effect on Dec. 1, 2024, is part of China's broader efforts to further open up to LDCs and African nations, the Chinese delegation said at a WTO meeting in Geneva on Wednesday.>>2380097>Turkey has banned grokVery rare Turkish W
>>2380100CNN running interference for the modern-day SS. What else is new?
>>2380109Its happening!
He pushed the Trump Gaza button already.
Remember when he said about 2 weeks timeline until bombing Iran? It was less than 2, its HAPPENING, it is HAPPENING, we're getting a HAPPENING.
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