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>>2378062 >>2378984It's not just Americans, most of the world is like that.
I'm not saying billions must die, but I need weed.
>>2379004because he is highly overrated and there's nothing to learn from him
Nice shirt though
>>2379005nah here I disagree with you
Europe's alright
America gotta go tho
>>2379009Europe is America's vassal
India is still backwards
So Europe has been cucked, India is still smei-retarded
But America is vile by intention. Americans are not stupid. They are not helpless. They are evil by choice. That's why America must be vaporised.
>>2379012I literally live in a third world country. But you, the American, calls me 'imperialist zionist'.
It is incredible how USApol everytime reverses the roles, how they manage to present americans as the oppressed nation and how the third worlders are the oppressors. It's like the EgoistFlag retard who was blaming the third world for not doing enough for Palestine. Verily, all Americans must die
>>2379014it's fine if you start fighting each other again
as long as you are not America's cucks anymore, I will be happy
>>2379017>wonder why I (correctly) call you a strasserite."Wonder why" implies I actually care about your opinion. You're a hysterical narcissist, that's about it.
Again: you make it a way easier choice by being such a cunt. What, am I supposed to cry if someone like you gets killed?
>>2379017>>2379007equals? fuck no
The oppressors and oppressed are not equals
the Tsar will not be spared just because he suddenly considers the peasant as his equals once he is under house arrest
The bayonet will be shoved up your arse, CPUSA fascist
I have for whatever reason have been compelled into DSA politics and it seems that the right flank is trying to gain power via making it so that endorsements and National Political Committee (NPC) are elected by the members (1 Member 1 Vote aka 1M1V). They did this because NPC unendorsed AOC, but when polled (I heard it wasn't a good one, like a StrawPoll or Twitter poll), the members went 70-30 re-endorse. So they got mad at it. The main champions of the DSA right is Socialist Majority Caucus and Groundwork. They are basically the people that want entryism forever. DSA left want an independent party. Well, both super duper want it, but the DSA right says it is never the time. The NYC-DSA seems to be the hotbead of the DSA right, where they have been using Mamdani's win as a cudgel and rallying cry for the resolution to pass.
Something is apparently, they do have 1M1V, but once elected, they don't hold general meetings, separate group chats are banned (they say currently), and descisons are run by basically a central comittee. It's all election work. Honestly, good for them in a way. I have been kinda been seeing org democracy as a hinderance than a good thing. Been interested in the failures of German and Italian left of post-WW1. And a part of their problem was indecisiveness. So even if they're the right flank, I have to give them credit. Both for creating an effective org in their eyes and having the balls to take power.
>>2379023>The bayonet will be shoved up your arse, CPUSA fascistI have never been less threatened by anything.
"Oh no, the guy who's too pussy to attack an undefended factory is saying he's gonna kill me! Ahhh!" There's gonna be no divine punishment, least of all from you.
>>2379027you enjoy suckling the treats resulting from your chimeric nation's savage imperialism
face reality, be honest about it
you got your lebensraum in the 1700s and 1800s
your bankers and porkies rule the world, they make or break the governments of any country overnight (bar Russia, China and a select few others)
Your armies terrorise whoever they want without any repercussion
Th only difference between the USA and the Third Reich is that the USA consistently wins. That's it. People fantasise what the world would look like if the NAzis won. Well, no need to be creative - just look at America since 1776. That's a successful Nazi experiment right there.
>>2379031what 'factory' are you talking about?
and get the fuck out of Chagos, our patience is running low, we can go full tropical chimp on you
>>2379042there we go
The American 'communist' defending NATO imperialism and its foreign military bases
You are a Strasserite and you will end up like Strasser
>>2379051Vance is correct
The Ugandan petit-bourgeois would be assfucked by Amin Dada had American treatlerism not cuddled him in warmth and cotton candy. And now that DSA PMC retard is playing guerrilero on camera.
Fuck him, and fuck the United Savages of America
>>2379060right now we cannot
we have no army
hopefully our Chinese comrades expand into the Indian Ocean and clash with your forces in Chagos
but please keep cheering for the illegal occupation of Mauritian territory
Our cause is just, though poor and stupid, WE WILL WIN
>>2379070you seem like you need meds
>>2379071hmm i see…..chungus
>>2379067there are barely any guns in my country
Even policemen do not carry it
and we have no army (one of the few countries on earth with no army at all)
>>2379064>but please keep cheering for the illegal occupation of Mauritian territory >Our cause is just, though poor and stupid, WE WILL WINI don't even know where "Chagos" is, and if it weren't for this conversation I still wouldn't know where it is. I don't know who the Mauritians are, and I don't fucking care. Just fucking revolt if you want to or don't, it's completely irrelevant to me. It isn't that I'm "cheering on" your occupation, it's that if it weren't for the past five minutes
I wouldn't even know you existed.So please, be my guest, and do that revolt. I have no clue what you're revolting against because I don't even know what Chagos is, maybe America built bases there or maybe there's some companies there, I genuinely don't know and I don't care. Revolt or don't, it's your decision not mine.
>>2379073wdym I need meds?
Just google Chagos Archipelago and you will see all I am saying is true you fucking retard
>>2379079I know
>>2379078thats not why im saying you need meds. Im saying you need meds because you are acting a bit unstable
>>2379077that's precisely your problem
you do not even know where your military bases are located and by what means your nazi government got the base, but you are lecturing others
go fuck yourself Strasser son of a bitch
die in the heat like a fucking cockroach you wimp
>>2379080typical of the American fascist
the moment his nazism is called out, he says that the accuser is mentally unstable
>>2379085idk man I want america to die too. ANd a massive cultural revolution to sweep old american evils.
But the way you are acting right now makes you look a bit loony
>>2379099how else am i going to get pai__
uh
ignore that
>>2379082>you do not even know where your military bases are located and by what means your nazi government got the base, but you are lecturing others"Lecturing others"? I
genuinely don't care what you do, beyond mocking you for making threats you can't back up. Seriously, I'm not telling
you how to do a revolution, figure it out for yourself. You, on the other hand, just lecture people constantly. "Why aren't you dropping everything for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!"
Seriously, I don't lecture you at all. I don't care what you do.
>>2379105I never asked you to drop anything for me
I just wished for the extermination of your Volk and you got all cunty about it, the good Nazi that you are
>>2379107chagossians have no right to visit their homeland while your soldiers are drinking and partying there but its bait?
Just because the issue is not well known like Palestine makes it okay?
Fuck the chagossians right? who are they to demand the right to just visit their homeland now and then?
>>2379111fucking retard I will tell you again, I am a third worlder, NOT a third worldist
>>2379129*gets deported instead
*turns into revolutionary matyr
probably his best fate
>>2379122yes, and CPUSAanon is an asshole for saying 'do it then'
As if the few thousands of chagossians can seriously revolt against a fucking military base with actual nuclear bombers in it.
That same asshole will not do shit to revolt in the core of empire and will act as if americans are an oppressed nation.
>>2379125it is not even fully natlib
they would be satisfied if they were just allowed to visit now and then
But the USA doe snot allow that
In the 60s the Brits deported them, destroyed their small houses, killed their pets and leased the land to USA to build a military base. The people have been fighting to go back ever since. But burgoids have got actual yacht clubs, bars and fucking basketball courts on there.
You fuckers will pay one day.
>>2379145one day CPUSAanon is complaining how he is oppressed because it is too hot where he lives
another day he is being racist and defending the military bases overseas
the American 'communist'
>>2379149mods only ban you if you insult anarchists and leftcoms, the reason they give is 'sectarianism'
But anarchists can go 'muh MLs' all day and never get banned
American Aanarchists and leftcoms are most privileged, they just have to go screams 'mods' and they will be tended to
>>2379153>>2379150>>2379151volunteer to be a mod if you hate the current modocracy so much (you won't)
>>2379151not true. anarchists also get banned for doing sectarianism. reeeeeeeeing about "tankies" does get deleted if you bother to report it.
>>2379168cpusa did not ask xi for deliverance
cpusa defended ethnic cleansing of African people in an archipelago and ridiculed me for caring about them
>>2378984siiiigh…
the only chance the US got to get some real change was mid 20th century, and once they sat as the top imperial power, they didn't bother no more.
>>2379146>one day CPUSAanon is complaining how he is oppressed because it is too hot where he lives I said climate change is getting worse and third worldists responded with "WELL YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE IN TROPICAL CLIMATES" as though somehow it getting hot across the board is invalidated 'cause "they've got it worse".
Also I ain't defending military bases.
>>2379138I'm not pretending Americans are an "oppressed nation" 'cause most of the people talking about "oppressed nations" as categories are the most unhinged freaks I've ever met. I think shit's bad for a lot of people here and I'd prefer if things generally got better for them.
Also
>yes, and CPUSAanon is an asshole for saying 'do it then'What, I owe some faggot crying about how he's totally gonna kill me anything? I'm supposed to pity him? Pretend I sympathize with him? He gets as much sympathy as he gives.
>>2379168><ok do it, I don't like my life anyway, xi please nuke meLITERALLY ME
LITERALLY ME
>>2379188>climate change is getting worse no you explicitly said you live in a desert and you are annoyed how hot it is. like a fucking pussy
>Also I ain't defending military bases.you did. you said 'I dont care' regarding the base in chagos
you are a treatlerite son of a bitch, you are disgusting, the desert heat will melt your ugly asshole
>>2379184There wouldn't be as much antagonism with the Soviet Union, since foreign policy is with the executive. Helps reds infested his staff
>>2379187Kinda. Just helps to not have a worm like Truman in.
>>2379194The question would be, could the labor movement have pushed back on it? I do think it's somewhat possible.
>>2379193>no you explicitly said you live in a desert and you are annoyed how hot it is. like a fucking pussy And he whined that "Uhh muh tropics is so bad" like a bitch, your point?
>you did. you said 'I dont care' regarding the base in chagos Yes, I don't. Blow it up or don't. Someone like you telling me about it isn't making me care beyond contextualizing it as "The most unsympathetic people on earth are upset." Like, what, I'm supposed to weep that the guy ranting about his murder fantasies is upset?
>>2379206I never said that the tropics are bad you moron , your fascist army is the one who ethnically cleansed whole islands
I love the tropics
>>2379206ok so you do not care about ethnic cleansing
do not ever talk about Palestine ever again you fucking zionist hypocrite
>>2379209get the fuck outta here
she looks fully crackka
>>2379202>Helps reds infested his staffthat would just make the upcoming mcarthyism get worst
I can image it now:
WALLACE IS A COMMIE SYMPATHIZER. HES TOO SYMPATHETIC WITH THE UNION. THERES REDS IN HIS STAFF
>>2379214only the non-americans will inherit anything
the average American has sinned more than Hitler at this point
DEATH TO AMERIKKKA
>>2379217I did not ask why they are mixed
I am just saying she looks fully crackka
if you are 70%+ white, you are white period. 5% of this or 10% of that doesn't matter.
>>2379220I dont think I will convince you of anything
you are an American and you will defend your nazi lifestyle at the expense of everybody else
I know it
>>2379221yes, only in America if you are like 10% Navajo, you stroll around saying 'I am navajo'.
In the rest of the world, a 10% Croat does not say 'I am Croatian'.
>>2379221race is not a spook
there are 2 races: americans and non-americans
The former is inherently evil, the latter is inherently good
>>2379210You literally whined "OH TRY LIVING IN THE TROPICS!"
>>2379211>ok so you do not care about ethnic cleansing Like I said, I didn't even know where Chagos was. I'm generally opposed to us building military bases outside of U.S. territory on principle, but I'm not gonna feign empathy for a cunt like yourself.
>do not ever talk about Palestine ever again you fucking zionist hypocriteSee difference is I *do* know where Palestine is and I've seen the conditions those people endure and so I've taken a more active role trying to send aid their way. But it's not surprising a spoiled brat like yourself is trying to undermine support for Palestine because it's taking attention away from "your" pet cause. Shit, is Chagos even being actively bombed right now?
>>2379223>le 1 drop rule is spookyyes that is just what i said
>the rest of the worldracism is spooky in the rest of the world too, shocking i know
>>2379225>race is not a spooklol
>there are 2 races: americans and non-americansLMAO
>The former is inherently evil, the latter is inherently goodwe're reaching spook levels that shouldn't be possible
>>2379223let me put it this way, I have 3 irish grandparents and 1 african grandparent. I live in the south. if I was born in 1860 I would have been a light skinned house slave. But because I am born now I am a crackkkka treatlerite trying to larp as a black man to escape the JDPON guillotine that I clearly deserve.
Almost like race is made up shit.
>>23792371830*
(1860 is a bit late, whoops)
>>2379237you ARE a crackka treatlerite according to science
sorry dawg
>>2379231stop using spook as a substitute for whatever you spooky spooktard
spook off now
>>2379244I did not talk about race science
I talked about 'science'
Science was, is, and will be. Whether you like it or not, liberal arts treatlerite moron.
>>2379253>I did not talk about race science>I talked about 'science' you said
<you ARE a crackka treatlerite according to sciencewhich is a half assed attempt to do race science
>>2379261how I wish you were right
race, ethnicity, genetic group, breed - call it whatever the fuck you want, it exists and is the cause of much drama and suffering
>>2379250you use words which you do not understand
Are all CPUSA people retarded?
>>2379227I never said "try living in the tropics" as if its bad here lol
I mentionned it because it is hotter here than in your American shithole
and as you were the one complaining about the heat, you would find it hard here, not me
>undermine support for palestineIm nto undermining shit
Im pointing out your ignorance and your hypocrisy
where chagossians can go fuc themselves, but Palestinians' suffering will be turned into a marketing operation for you fascist party
you are a sick fuck
>>2379227>my pet causeyou moron, the chagossians literally live in my country, we speak the same language
how is that a 'pet cause'
First worlders experience PTSD at far higher rates than third worlders. No this is not only due to ability to see doctors
Within the United States, Canada, and Europe, PTSD rates have remained stable despite steady decreases in the most common causes of PTSD like violent crime and rape.22 People get PTSD not necessarily based on the objective violence of an event but instead upon whether they experience an event as traumatic-and what events seem traumatic shifts over time.
Creeping concepts of harm (and increasing vulnerability) may also help explain why PTSD rates are higher in affluent countries than in countries that face higher rates of adversity and violence; for instance, the PTSD rate is six times higher in Canada than Mexico, despite Canada's being objectively safer. The clinical psychology professor and PTSD expert Richard McNally writes, "Improvements in standards of living, including reductions in violence, may render people sensitive to stressors that would have seldom affected their grandparents. Perhaps the better things get, the more sensitive we become." 24
When our mind is motivated to detect something, it will usually find it, even if it means shifting the criterion of detection, whether that's changing what counts as "dark" dots or what counts as "harm-ful." Of course, you might argue that there is still some objective truth external to our perceptions of these concepts: some dots are physically brighter than others, some foods are more or less nutritious, and some acts cause more or less physical damage. But the objective, physical world is always filtered through the subjectivity of our minds. The concepts of darkness, food, and harm are all ultimately psychological concepts, and as with all concepts what counts as a member of each category is influenced both by our internal motivations and by our external context.
>>2379271And this confirms it too
PTSD more likely to affect people in affluent countries, scientists say
Paradoxical findings show post-traumatic stress disorder may be less common in places more vulnerable to tragic events
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/27/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd-more-likely-to-affect-people-in-affluent-countries-scientists-say >>2379274retarded CPUSA anon confirms this
where his trauma is due to hot weather lmao
>>2379227you are a vile American chauvinist
you think just because something is not known in America, other people should not be concerned about it
I guess the civil war in Sudan is just a 'pet cause' of the sudanese folks right?
you are disgusting
>>2379278regardless of fascists' love for 'hard times create good men', that is objectively true
the more comfortable assholes, North Americans, bitch the most about the most mundane things
whereas chads who live in actual shitholes are most resilient and bitch the least
>>2379282CPUSA anon will make your cock explode then
just be careful about the desert heat
>>2379280North AmeriKKKans not even top 10 most comfortable people in the world
>>2379283t. Eugenicist de-growther malthuSSianoid
>>2379286do not believe in the retarded polls which just place Finland and Norway on top of every ranking
North Americans get the most treats by far
>>2379278>>2379279
>The scientists, from the Netherlands, Australia and London, say they appear to have uncovered a paradox. They expected to find that countries with higher vulnerability to tragic events – because of factors such as malnutrition, poor sanitation and low incomes – would experience higher levels of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Instead, they found that the highest levels were in countries that were far better off.
>Their paper, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry, finds that Canada has the highest levels of PTSD, followed by the Netherlands, Australia, the US and New Zealand. The lowest levels were found in Nigeria, China and Romania.
>“PTSD has often been linked to something that violates your expectations,” said Prof Chris Brewin from University College London, one of the authors. “You thought you were living in a world which is basically safe, people are basically well disposed toward you, and something happens that completely turns those ideas upside down. It is thought that makes it really hard for people to get over these events
>“But if you’ve been brought up in a very different society, you may not have so many of these illusions to start with. You already see the world as a much more dangerous place and it may not be so surprising when something terrible happens.”
>It was a paradox because it was very well established that individuals or groups – such as ethnic minorities – suffering from social, economic or educational disadvantage within any country were at higher risk of PTSD than their better-off neighbours, said Brewin.
>“Everyone assumed that the citizens of countries with fewer economic advantages would similarly be at greater risk and you’d have higher rates of PTSD than in more developed countries. But the interesting thing is we found exactly the opposite is the case,” he added.
>Countries where more traumatic events occurred, such as wars, natural disasters and accidental deaths, had higher rates across the board. “The very curious thing – and I think we’re the first people to identify this – is that countries which are less well economically resourced and generally have much smaller health services and poorer psychiatric services actually have lower rates [of PTSD] than countries like ours,” said Brewin.
>The authors said it was not to do with better diagnosis or more treatments for PTSD in the wealthier countries. The data came from representative samples of the populations in all 24 surveyed countries, where people were randomly contacted and interviewed to establish the levels of PTSD.
>“PTSD is quite a controversial disorder and some people have argued we just don’t measure it properly – it’s a western concept we’re trying to impose on people from different cultures,” said Brewin. “But, in fact, we know know that although there are minor cultural variations, basically people from all over the world show the same syndrome. So it’s probably not that
>“And when we looked at figures for depression we found the same pattern: countries with the greater resources had the higher rates of depression as well, and there is not really an argument about how to measure depression cross-culturally – that’s well accepted.” >>2379288>countries which are less well economically resourced and generally have much smaller health services and poorer psychiatric services actually have lower rates [of PTSD] than countries like oursmaybe that's because PTSD doesn't even get diagnosed in places without "psychiatric services" and didn't they just say earlier
>Countries where more traumatic events occurred, such as wars, natural disasters and accidental deaths, had higher rates across the board.which seems to contradict the theory that it's just experienced in the core.
all in all misleading (i am being serious unlike my previous reply)
>>2379291>making pacts with Naziseveryone has explained the historical context of the M-R pact a million times to you and you always ignore it. stalin spent the 30s trying to make an anti-fascist alliance with the british and french. they rebuffed him because they hated communism more than fascism and wanted hitler to go east and slaughter slavs, jews, and communists. When hitler started attacking countries besides the USSR they appeased him at first, but only then did they become increasingly worried that he would attack allies of the west like poland and france. only when that happened did they finally ally with the USSR to beat hitler.
countries like england, france, italy, and even poland all signed non aggression pacts with hitler BEFORE the USSR did. it is only when the USSR realized that hitler was going to invade soon and the liberal democracies were not up for an anti-fascist alliance did they sign a non aggression pact and invade poland in order to buy time and move their factories east so that they would be able to survive the eventual nazi invasion. everyone who is an honest historian knows the soviets were trying to buy time and acknowledge the soviet efforts to make an anti-fascist alliance in the 30s while there was plenty of time. Even the US government dept. of history acknowledges this on their website. It is completely reactionary narrative to pretend stalin loved hitler and that the USSR signed a non aggression pact with germany just to split up poland for no reason other than a love of war and death. You literally outdo the US government in your reactionary interpretation of history
>>2379304>The data came from representative samples of the populations in all 24 surveyed countries, where people were randomly contacted and interviewed to establish the levels of PTSD.that seems bogus. the first assertion (authors said it was not to do with better diagnosis or more treatments for PTSD in the wealthier countries) it isn't backed by the explanation that follows.
They would have to post the number of medical personnel trained in PSTD diagnosis per capita for each country, and the diagnosis in overall each person does per year. that would be the correct evidence-backed argument that corroborates the assertion. The study is pseudo-scientific, flawed at best, trash at worst.
I'd argue, there should be a plethora of studies criticizing that study on internet. well, in the niches places of internet where PSTD is discussed extensively.
>>2379293by North American I mean USA and KKKanada
I consider Mexico to be Central American
>>2379306Stalinists were in such a need for an anti-nazi alliance that they instead traded with Nazis and betrayed communists in favor of them?
Just take the L and accept that your hero was friends with Nazis until they attacked him directly and also armed the Nakba.
>>2379312for the billionth time, I am a thrid-worlder, not a third-worldist
I think third-worldism is retarded
>>2379323yeah dont tell him tho
he wants to LARP as Uganda-Iranian
>>2379193>ethnic cleansing They are Mauritians though. The Chagos Islands weren't populated until the French imported Mauritian slaves to the island in the very late 1790s. Less than 2000 people were moved off the island in the 1960s leaving only the military personal. Not great to be forcefully moved but how are they any different from other landless Mauritians being shuffled around by landlords?
>>2379304>The authors said it was not to do with better diagnosis or more treatments for PTSD in the wealthier countries. Well if the authors insist on it, then it must be true!
Seriously how can you be such a chump?
>>2379351nobody
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empire
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become
general
secretary
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news worthy
>>2379348a fascist like you will be naturally scared of a communist america
that is normal
>>2379391correction:
iron felix is chris chan
>>2379348>its grim when you realize some of the people/anons here might have government positions in the future communist usa.Nobody here is going to be holding any position of any importance. You actually have to have people behind you first. You can hype yourselves up about China putting you in power all you want but this isn't how China actually operates.
>Imagine iron felix becomes general secretaryThe only way he'll ever be remembered in history would be as a schizo patsy set up to justify repression like the Dutch communist accused of burning down the Reichstag.
>>2379396>iron felix is chris chanNo, Comrade King is Chris-chan. Look at how they both write.
>>2379408arguing is immaterial
theses are immaterial
only bullet is material
>>2379418>I fail to see how America is irrevocably worse than say Western Europe for instance.Hot take: The USA's real purpose is to be NATO's "heel". The "bad cop" that takes the brunt of the heat of behalf of all of the G7/NATO.
"Oh, don't look at us
civilized Europeans and Canadians! We would never do that! We would
never be like the uncouth evil Burgers!"
>>2379418Western Europe are vassals of America. America and Israel are the only 2 fully evil entities in this world.
Western Europeans have their flaws but overall they are alright.
Americans on the other hand, they gotta go
>>2379410both you and Iron Felix write for magazines.
Yet you two are polar opposites.
Really makes me think….
>>2379271Wait a second
Does this mean that the elevated suicide rate in trans people in the US is because lots of them come from middle to upper middle class treatler family
Like think about it man you never see a transperson in the third world having suicidal ideation despite objectively living in one of the worst conditions on Earth (a sexual minority in an exploited and usually conservative nation)
And no mods i'm not being transphobic. If this is true then the supposedly "high" suicide rates of trans people in the US has less to do with being trans or and much more to do with affluent capitalism itself. The mental illness isn't being queer; the mental illness is being a middle class American!
>>2379366I feel like people writing this forgot the fact that the last time White Nationalists are active in the US they were lynching blacks for visiting the wrong shoe store
Ofc whignatism will have bad press. Meanwhile judeonationalists did most of their atrocities outside of the country, in a place that most AmeriKKKans already considered hostile after 9/11. Jews are not lynching people and firebombing churches in American streets. The moment Palestine happened and their atrocities went viral their power just collapsed. That is all it is. Whignats just couldn't accept that most normies don't like violence or lynchings or throwing babies to crocodiles
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