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>While exiled in 1899, Bauman had an affair with the wife of a fellow revolutionary who became pregnant with Bauman's child. Bauman responded by openly mocking her, and circulating a vicious cartoon of her as the Virgin Mary with a baby in her womb, with a caption asking "who the baby looked like". The woman later hanged herself.
>This story had gained wide currency among Russian political exiles by the time Bauman reappeared in Switzerland in 1902, after the escape from Kiev. Some of those involved in producing Iskra, including Lenin's closest friend and collaborator, Julius Martov and Pavel Axelrod, one of the founders of Russian Marxism, wanted Bauman expelled from the organisation. In 1903, the board of Iskra adjudicated the matter, and Lenin interceded on Bauman's behalf. According to biographer Robert Service, Lenin rejected the party's right to interfere, arguing that the party's task "was to make revolution against the Romanov monarchy and to vet the morality of comrades only when and in so far as their actions affected the implementation of the task". The subsequent controversy divided the party, and has been described as "one of the many personal clashes which came to define the ethical distinctions" between the Bolshevik and Menshevik factions after 1903.

Was it really worth it to split the party over this asshole?

>>2379465
That's the thing though. The guy wasn't even all that useful.

>>2379465
was it worth splitting the party over one guy? in retrospect we know it ultimately worked out for the bolsheviks but that doesnt mean this in particular was a sound decision

Ahh yes, it seems commie parties are eternal sex cults

>>2379477
of course not but it was an unnecessary wedge between core cadre that undermined mutual trust.

let me frame it another way: should it be permissible, within the bounds of party discipline and maintaining organizational integrity, for a party member to abuse and bully the family of their fellow cadre? that seems like a much more relevant and obvious question well before you get to the degree to which this was responsible for splitting the party

Lenin was correct but its understandable that people don't want to associate with people who are unreliable morally or just plain assholes
He should've made him done public repentance

Lenin had Kalmyk foresight and knew Bauman could be used elsewhere

>Bauman's funeral was a mighty propaganda exercise. His coffin was carried through the streets of Moscow by six leather-cled 'Herculean' party members, with the coffin itself draped in scarlet pall. The procession was led by a party comrade dressed in 'Jesuitical-black', who carried a palm branch which he in time with the music and slow steps swung from side to side. Behind him, the leaders of the party followed, carrying red flags and large velvet banners carrying the 'slogans of their struggle' in gold writing, and wreaths. At their sides they were followed by an 'armed militia' consisting of workers and students. Finally, behind these, over 100,000 mourners followed marching ten abreast in military like formation.

Bauman was free of bourgeoisie morality. Family is a bourgeoisie atavistic thing. Woman hang herself because of her own morality and lack of sense of humour. She cheated and then killed herself because of shame. Bourgeosie morality that still permeated the mind of bolsheviks is what killed her.

>>2379463
>le asshole
>waaaahhh we must enforce le monogamy and control womens sexuality waaaaahh

Why did woman hang herself? I guess because she was shamed. And who shamed her? Just bauman himself? Alone? No way. Besides in hell exists all bolsheviks are boiling there eternally if we to take religgers words seriously

>>2379530
>>2379526
lk incel rhetoric from these posts

Moralist thread. Which is okay. None of us are le party members i bet.

>>2379529
>not controlling women's sexuality leads to them killing themselves
makes you think

>>2379532
>incel rhetoric
Demonstrate or you are just talking out of your ass. For example, demonstrate how it is solely baumans responsibility and not whole partys. I bet whole party was misogynystic. Party should take responsibility for its members. Party acts as one whole. Bolsheviks were repugnant people according to bourgeoisie morality i bet

Organic centralism. Party is one whole and acts as one whole

Even ICP admits they will have to do some morally le bad things in le future

>>2379463
>circulating a vicious cartoon of her as the Virgin Mary with a baby in her womb, with a caption asking "who the baby looked like"
sounds like he was just pointing out the fact she was a whore who banged the whole party

>weeh waaahh
Post soviet countries still have streets named after him i bet

>>2379541
Not the Faygo.

>>2379544
>le whore
This here is incel sure

Were bolsheviks even proletarian?

>>2379550
>le incel
don't worry buddy, i had my phase banging alt-chicks free of "bourgeois morality"
when you get older you'll understand these women make shit partners

That woman is a victim of the society and the whole party. Axelrod and Martov brought it up because they felt responsible

>>2379552
I dont care if you are incel or not. Was more talking about your rhetoric and stuff. Because anarcrakkker feminist dismissed muh posts as incel rhetoric i had to show her example of such

Lets not make saints out of le lenin and le stalin. A true dedicated Marxoid Leninoid would have defended Stalin even if he was le pedo

>>2379501
understood. yeah those kind of interpersonal abuse disputes are messy to figure out the facts even when you know the people involved and its happening around you. without really credible and consistent primary sources youre right that its not worth hanging any judgements on

Sometimes you have to sacrifice people for the party. But nowadays we can learn from the things they did in the past and know how to properly treat wreckers (like this guy)

>>2379570
>sacrifice
Thats a religger word you know

>>2379463
>Was it really worth it to split the party over this asshole?
They did not split the party over this, it was just an early indicator of where things were heading in hindsight. Also Lenin is obviously correct in his assessment and Bauman later became an important martyr of the revolution for a time

Honestly just shoot the fuckin guy in secret and call it a day damn

>>2384445
he was good at organising, Mr Borditardo

>>2379463
this shit was depicted in Fall of Eagles as way more important and way more essential to the Bolsh/Mensh split than it actually was.

>>2384446
Nah fuck that guy hes gone

>>2384449
He abolished commodoty production since marriage is a commodity and loyalty is a spook. He was a true leftcom.

>>2379526
Trvth nvkee

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>>2379463

Bordiga can't support that one because the name isn't Hilter

>>2379463
>Was it really worth it to split the party over this asshole?
This is an incorrect view of why the RSDLP split. The split was fundamentally a political and practical one. The two factions had entirely different approaches to what the RSDLP even was and how it organized (vanguard or mass party?) there was no way for it to remain a unified organization. The Mensheviks, in typical revisionist fashion, hid the political content of the split behind moralistic wallpaper and cited the Bauman affair as what defined the split, when in reality the split was already happening when the affair came out.

Would I as an organizer handle this specific incident differently, almost certainly, but I'm not gonna act like it was this hugely consequential event when it ultimately wasn't.

>>2379515
I wish my funeral will be like that. It's pretty cool

What a shitty fucking thread. Also top tier bait. If I was Lenin I would have staged a duel between Bauman and that woman's husband. Still, I feel like that is some stupid scummy bullshit on the part of Bauman and in any decently run society he should have been executed for assholeism.

>>2384902
You mean what a shitty fucking bolshevik party

>>2384977
Okay liberal

>>2384980
Moralist

>>2384902
the story is fake
you did take the bait


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