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What will happen now that there's a global fertility crisis? Will capitalism eventually collapse? Different measures have been tried all over the world but there have been no results, isn't this a really worrying situation?

>What will happen now that there's a global fertility crisis?
Nazoids want more women legally raped and liberals silently agree with it
>Will capitalism eventually collapse?
Yeah but it will be slow unless it's replaced by socialism
>Different measures have been tried all over the world but there have been no results
There have been next to no real measures. Give potential parents more money and time to care for kids and give a fuck about the elderly.

The UK just legalized euthanasia. So basically unlimited genocide on the elderly is gonna happen. Legalized rape and illegal abortion laws will make it so women have to have children. Shit is about to get extremely dark. I remember seeing a video a couple years back that was based on a study of the best hopes for the climate crisis and our best "timeline" is one in which mass suffering will happen and fascism will be the normal state of affairs but we will survive. In any case along side the climate crisis the fertility crisis will be amongst those things that will cause mass suffering as I mentioned. Legalized killing of the elderly, legalized rape (basically making it so rape does not get criminally punished) and with anti abortion laws it'll make it so women have to carry children to term. Barbarism won, the light at the end of the tunnel is that socialism can and will lead us out of the barbaric times.

I think the fertility crisis is more based than cringe. Less people less problems at least over time

>global fertility crisis
middle class thread

>>2379726
The only people who care are racists, civNats or the bourgeoisie

not a single immiserated propertyless reserveless wage worker ever: "erm are you not worried that birth rates are declining???"

>>2379759
They say “I can’t afford kids because I can barely afford rent after having three roommates”

>>2379754
Working class people want to be able to have and raise kids

>>2379726
this is because of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. Less consumers allow more austerity or some shit, some friend that knows more than me said that to me last night

Le porn and contraception is le reason for birht rates declining. Without these le people would le fug and have children regardless if they can afford it or not

>>2379777
Don’t forget acceptance of queers, especially make sure to ignore queers that do have bio kids due to repression

>>2379770
Some do. Some don't . Most will just follow what everybody else does because that's what people seem to do

>>2379778
I dont understand. Im assuming you are le agreeing

The demand for an exponential growth fertility rate is a demand for the enslavement of women, suppression of LGBTQ, and destruction of the environment. And countries who call themselves capitalist and communist are both guilty of demanding it.

I predict we're going to see more women seek out voluntary sterilization without ever giving birth, and the trend will spread even to traditional values countries like India and China. Because this is a survival strategy for any woman who can see collapse is coming, and wants to avoid being either private property of a man or public property of the state.

>>2379779
You’re forgetting the structures and incentive systems people live under, currently there’s literally no incentive for a working class person to have kids

>>2379781
I’m being sarcastic, as I assume you were being

>>2379785
I wasnt. I guess i got the reasons for birth rates declining wrong

>>2379790
Birth rates are declining because babies and children are a complete drain under capitalism, in feudalism and slavery children are free labor on the farm or in the manor.

>>2379770
It's mostly because they want to have kids without impacting their quality of living or to give the children a standard of living that was equal or better than theirs, it's not just wanting a family but people have become so accustomed to bourgeois trappings otherwise people would fuck without consequence like in the third world because the only way from the bottom is up.

Only labour aristocrats reproduce

>muh fertility
>muh overpopulation
is it so fucking hard to just let people fugg however much they want?

>>2379810
Basic comforts are not bourgeois trappings,

>>2379828
Then having children isn't a priority, it's more akin to having a pet, but even homeless have dogs.

>>2379849
Having a kid you can’t provide a decent life for (depending on societal standards at the time) causes far more problems than not having them

>>2379726
Porkies, such as Musk and Trump, will scream about the population growth because GDP under capitalism cannot grow without population growth. Socialists will instead focus on automation, and, if population numbers are really needed, will employ artificial wombs and socialized kid-rearing

>>2379880
Or you could adopt Cuba’s family code and actually enshrine the rights of non working children and the elderly into law

>>2379887
It won't help with fertility rates. Everyone has tried, nobody achieved anything out of it (except improving quality of life for mothers and kids, but that's not a "fertility rate").

In fact, the only one example in history of somebody managing to raise fertility rates were Nazis who banned contraceptions and abortions completely. Like, you either make a theocracy with gazillion uncared for kids or make a state that cares about it's people (and have low fertility rates)

>>2379770
well known proletarian demand: "be able to have and raise kids"

>>2379726
Its good for the people and the environment as earth has finite resources. For capitalism its bad news as economic growth must exceed the population decline or the national economy will shrink.

>>2379902
What the fuck do you think demands for wages and better insurance plans are for?

>>2379911
>proletarians demands in their own workplace are the same as demanding political reform that benefits all classes
no

Human population went up and down like a sinusoid for centuries before the explosion from capitalism. It will go down for a while and the up again.
As for the effect it will gave on capitalism, if the black death in europe is of any indication, it tip the scales of power a bit more in favour of the now smaller amd more concentrated proletariat. The question is of they will use this power to obtain more concessions, extending the capitalist era, or the rigidity of the system will increase exploitation to such a degree to provoke revolutions all around the globe

>>2379930
Capitalist era is already over. And imperialist one is too. China's the socialist hegemon, this is an entirely new era

>>2379937
>China
>Socialist
Did you forget a "not" inbetween?

It will put stress on capitalism as it won't have a growing underclass to exploit anymore. In the 18th it was the rural people coming into cities. Now rural places are empty so they use migrant labor.

>>2379944
China is socialist. Deal with it

Another fertility thread 😂

>>2379967
Bourgeoisie is afraid, therefore their ideologues are expressing fertility crisis ideas. Therefore we have leftists influenced by bourgeois fertility panic

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Man, Indian economic miracle is dead before even beginning

>>2379987
The commie led southern areas seemed to have the lowest decline

>>2379782
>a woman having kids is literally enslavement!!!
What level of nihilism + feminism is this?
All ancestors of all living things have had children in case (You) didn't know

>>2380621
>All ancestors of all living things have had children
smug redditors: "I am descended from several gang rapes" 😏

>>2380907
>procreation is talked about
<but what about muh gang rapes????
Do you feel alright?

economic development has always led to lower birth rates like even marx during his time already noticed this and that the middle class would grow this thread is so fucking retarded

>>2379747
>So basically unlimited genocide on the elderly is gonna happen.
there are already euthanasia laws in other countries. it's not really unfolding like a genocide

>>2379782
> voluntary sterilization without ever giving birth,
tf, contraceptive pills and condoms have been more than sufficient in reducing fertility rates, along with the decline in sex generally.

>>2379899
>managing to raise fertility rates
the soviets did the same in the 1930s, both raised birthrates a teeny bit, but they eventually stagnated in both. the nazi case is not a success story or even a successful example, as a lot of the rebound can be attributed to economic recovery from the depression, when birth rates were suppressed by the totally bleak economic circumstance all over the world

>>2379972
uh… you realize fertility was a major issue and that worried Soviet planners as well? enough for them to ban abortion until the mid 1950s? enough so that medical contraceptives were virtually unknown in the USSR until after it collapsed?

Why would anything happen? Dont we have AI to automate half the jobs already?

Can't we just incubate people in artificial wombs

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>>2379726
>>2379747 is correct, governments around the world are already moving to pull back on women's rights, especially abortion rights. They tried the good cop by giving some money and other niceties for having children - still a negligible amount compared to what raising a kid takes - and it didn't work. Now they're trying the bad cop, but it won't work either. May just make things worse since women will start avoiding relationships out of fear on a mass scale.
Sure, markets made it much worse than it could have been, but the problem may be more fundamental than that. We may just be moving from an animalistic existence to more conscious existence, a huge part of this is the fact that zoomers drink very little compared to previous generations. There is no reason to believe that the problem could be sorted out at all, reality doesn't quite work like that, we're not entitled to things working out. We may not need things to work out either since human-like AI may be here in a few decades' time, an existence that can be controlled as much as we can control computers is vastly superior to one that's as uncontrollable as ours. A blood vessel could pop in your brain at any moment, you're done, and it's always been like that.

What will happen? Millions of immigrants will be imported from third world and then large scale libertarian policies will be conducted on the guise that "the state services don't go to natives anyway"
The same people will be behind both, but pretend to dislike each other.

>>2381174
The Soviet Union lost millions of people because of WW2, no shit. And the population density was already low before the war at like 20 people per square mile.

USSR population 1950: 180 million
NATO 1950: 380 million

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Why don't men have children any more?

another "communism is about alleviating the many many ills of capitalism" thread

>>2381649
Irrelevant.

>>2381649
>>2379726
men suck now. no real men left. more real men = more babies. we as men, NEED to do better.

>>2381427
>The Soviet Union lost millions of people because of WW2, no shit.
This was before WWII retard. Read more. And the abortion ban was lifted after WWII, but was still heavily restricted and discouraged.


>And the population density was already low before the war at like 20 people per square mile.

This is kind of disingenuous. If you stop to think for a second you would realize that the USSR had vast swathes of uninhabitable or inaccessible lands in Siberia and Central Asia that makes population density incredibly low.

>>2381814
cont.
also you're moving the goalposts, the original argument is about the soviets being very fixated on demographics and birth rates. Their reason for being fixated on it is kind of irrelevant. But suffice it to say that birth rates were already falling in the 1920s in beginning of the Soviet Union and so demography worried soviet planners from the get go.


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