/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2381492
Communism is a dictatorship of the proletariat and to argue otherwise is revisionist bullshit.

>>2381514
>Communism is a dictatorship of the proletariat
communism is
>stateless
>moneyless
>classless
the proletarian dictatorship
>is a (worker's) state
>has some form of labor vouchers
>has classes (it is precisely a dictatorship of one class because there are other classes (the bourgeois) which it has to eradicate)
are you sure you know the basics of ml?

>>2381522
What mode of production is the DotP?

>>2381525
for need production in large state sectors and limited and controlled commodity production in sectors where for need production cannot yet be established

>>2381492
It would be like peasants (or salon philosophers) asking what they would be doing under liberalism 200 years in the future.

I don't see what the problem is, you can literally just answer: "those things won't exist"

>>2381492
>do you not find that this question is kind misguided?
No, so long as one accepts it is impossible to fully know
Asking how may life be under communism is not the same thing as a strategy to achieve it
> it makes sense to talk about X under the proletarian dictatorship since that one grows out of capitalist society and production
Does it actually? Because historically this seems to have been an excuse to perpetuate capitalist relations under the reign of necessity
It seems that you are making a preemptive excuse to abandon the liberatory high minded aspirations of the communist movement in favor of a new reign of necessity without even holding the levers of power with which to justify your own opportunism
Failing before you began is a pathetic non-accomplishment, reminds me of the Gotha Program
> any one of these questions can be answered how they would or would be reorganized under a dotp. but not under communism. marx really made a big mistake when he called it the communist and not the worker's manifesto tbh.
Marx’s ideological project wasn’t about “the workers” achieving political power, it was about the abolition of Capital
Marx was a communist, not a workerist, your cowardice is not his failure

>>2382139
good OC 👌

>>2383895
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>It seems that you are making a preemptive excuse to abandon the liberatory high minded aspirations of the communist movement in favor of a new reign of necessity without even holding the levers of power with which to justify your own opportunism
woah buddy that's a high accusation against me. i did not once denounce the lofty ideals of communism, and if you're talking about communism then of course you're not going to spare and details; but my question is more practical, what should be the body of our minimal political program

>>2383968
leftypol is full of 40k commissars.

>>2383968
Good question. Assuming we start from now and we have total political power in most of the major capitalist countries.

1) Abolish all money printing, in order to make money more accurately reflect labor value. This immediately ends inflation and begins permanent deflation (good thing in socialism, unlike capitalism where its a bad thing)

2) Mandate 20 hour work weeks. This immediately ends unemployment.

3) Shut down all industries that produce slop and consumerist garbage. This frees up massive amount of labor. The 20 hour workweek absorbs some of this excess. The remaining excess is put into industries that are urgently needed (solar panels and batteries to solve climate change, construction to deurbanise cities and abolish town-country distinction etc)

4) Intellectual property is abolished. All human knowledge is open sourced. Innovation and technological development skyrockets as a result.

So after implementing this minimal program, you already have zero poverty, zero homelessness, 100% employment, 20 hour work week, beautiful and natural environment to live life in, rapid innovation and technological growth, zero crime, and we havent even achieved actual communism yet.