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The more i read about him the more retarded he seems. He's basically just a shittier stalin that failed at everything he tried to do after unifying china.

don't worry, that's what Deng was there to remedy

Yeah, he was pretty retarded to be honest, plenty of people tried to reason with him but it was useless, frankly only idiots declared themselves maoist

If you know about immanent critique then you should know it doesn't take a genious to poke holes in a self-contradictory system. He got shit moving and now China is surpassing the US on all fronts.

>>2388268
>He got shit moving
No, deng xiaoping did.

>>2388275
Either way, he helped kinda.

>>2388268
It's was Deng that saved China

>>2388238
>failed at everything he tried to do
>after unifying china.
doesn't sound that retarded to me specially considering he also defeated the americans in korea and the french in vietnam

Maos writings was what made me a leftcom.

>>2388238
First of all, the "millions of deaths" were calculated by pretending China suddenly have the expected death rate (then-world class healthcare) of US and Europe, then subtracting from the real death rate of Mao's China during the famine to maximize the "excess death rate", useful only for US propaganda and nothing else. Also, no one is looking at 'excess mortality' in the US and condemning them for killing millions of people. For example, US life expectancy dropped recently. If you did the same type of 'estimates' the drop in life expectancy is millions of people killed by the US economic and political system. But no one does that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao%27s_Great_Famine#Reception

>Ó Gráda wrote that the "10 per thousand" normal mortality rate adopted by Dikötter is "implausibly low" and used to maximise his death count. Ó Gráda posited: "The crude death rate in China in the wake of the revolution was probably about 25 per thousand. It is highly unlikely that the Communists could have reduced it within less than a decade to the implausibly low 10 per thousand adopted here (p. 331). Had they done so, they would have 'saved' over 30 million lives in the interim! One can hardly have it both ways."


The same shoddy logic infects pretty much every other calculation of "victims of Chinese communism", they all rely on this type of nonsensical reasoning.

However, it brings us to an interesting thought that would horrify those US mouthpieces: if Mao is responsible for tens of millions of deaths with his policies, the same logic would have him also simultaneously responsible for hundreds of millions of lives saved which would have otherwise been cut short in regular times. India's Amartya Sen's (nobel prize winner in economics) famous quote compares China with India:

>Sen estimated: "Despite the gigantic size of excess mortality in the Chinese famine, the extra mortality in India from regular deprivation in normal times vastly overshadows the former…India seems to manage to fill its cupboard with more skeletons every eight years than China put there in its years of shame."


We compare China with post-colonial India because they both were abundant in people and land, and both started utterly destitute at a similar time. China sped past India in all qualities of life indicators long before Deng, but we don't blame Nehru and other Indian leaders of his time for being "worse than Mao" for not adopting the same socialist policies China did.

Notably in 1981, the World Bank contrasted China’s life expectancy of 64 years to India’s 51 years. Chinese citizens, the report stated, were better fed than their Indian counterparts. Moreover, China provided nearly universal health care and its citizens, including women, enjoyed higher rates of primary education.
https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/892681468215689422/pdf/multi0page.pdf

During his leadership, China experienced “the most rapid sustained increase in life expectancy of any population in documented global history,” according to a Stanford study.
https://ngmiller.people.stanford.edu/publications/historical-health-improvement/exploration-chinas-mortality-decline-under-mao

Yes, the GLF and cultural revolution were bad but Mao led china out of a period of colonization, civil war, and there were far more famines before his time. Post-xinhai revolution China had been having famines every few years. The 1927 famine killed as many as 6 million. There were significant famines in 1929, 1939, and 1942. Mao found himself in the aftermath of a deadly civil war, the large-scale massacres by the Japanese army, the warlord melee that took place in China from 1911 to 1949, and a U.S. embargo that started in 1948. After another famine, the historically cyclical famines finally ended in the early 1960s.

He also turned China into a nuclear power and laid the industrial and social foundations for Deng. For instance, he swept away old superstitions and banned arranged marriages, footbinding, child bethrohal and concubage, and highly encouraged women to particpate in the economy. By the 1970s, China under Mao produced 3x more steel than India, 2x more coal production, 2.5x the cement production, had way more women in the workforce, had higher literacy rates (70% vs 35%), lower infant moretality rate (40 per 100 vs 120 per 1000 for India). By the late 1970s, China had annual electricity generation of 450 Twh compared to 85 Twh for India. All this made it possible for Deng to attract FDI and for the FDI to stay.

Deng basically sums it up well, Mao did "70 per cent right and 30 per cent wrong." And China's Marxist Leninism BTFO India's Fabian socialism.

>>2388275
Well, Mao wanted to develop the productive forces and accept FDI like Deng. He wasn't opposed to having markets. he wanted to use markets and outside investment to develop china and pull its people out of poverty. Just like Deng. Mao believed that when western countries saw a massive country like china, with its heap and abundant labor base of millions of well prepared and educated workers (thanks to the CPC's efforts to combat illiteracy), they would jump to the opportunity to invest and make fortunes. however, it didn't happen because the West and the US supported the Chiang Kai Shek's Kuomintang as the legitimate government of China, and the US set a trade embargo on China beginning in 1948. later the down the line, it was Mao in the 1970s who sat with Nixon to normalize US-China relations which opened the path for Deng's reform.

the cultural revolution was the greatest thing he did. socialism in china went downfall after that.

>>2388358
the cultural revolution went extremely out of hand. By the time Mao critiqued his wife the Red Guards were literally shooting at each other.

>>2388366
better that than turning into a rightcommunist who rubs shoulders with america

>>2388386
Oh you mean like… Mao?

>>2388300
Yeah sure he did that single handedly and deserves all the credit

there is nothing wrong with Mao Zedong Thought but he really did make dumb decisions especially on foreign policy.

>>2388268
This is cope. They are literally rotting from the inside out

>>2388358
The Cultural Revolution was among the shittiest events in 5000 years of Chinese history. Just a total disaster from beginning to end.

>ussr
Dead and gone.
>china
Assrapin the US

>>2388366
> By the time Mao critiqued his wife the Red Guards were literally shooting at each other.
???? The fuck they were supposed to do with the rightists? not shoot them????


>>2388395
Praise Deng

>>2388394
you literally know nothing about it

>>2388395
Not at all they are an empire of straw

>>2388396
>rightists
more like which student group liked mangoes the most

>>2388399
no u
Good luck finding a single Chinese person defending that mess.

I like how official CPC documentaries praise Stalin and Mao but also admit their faults, which is how any communist should see previous systems. It's a breath of fresh air from the diehard worshippers of dead generations.

mao saved china from being infiltrated and subverted by the kmt and pro-kmt remnants in the mainland

besides Nixon, He also met Ford as well

>>2388405
Well you can be smart about it and call them 70% good 30% bad or be like Cornman and inadvertently cause a split

>>2388417
Mao literally absorbed left wing elements of the KMT into his united front.

>>2388386
What are you talking about? Mistakes like encouraging decentralized foundries and promoting student led gangs who destroyed and killed as they pleased weren't rightist, they were the opposite. Establishing diplomatic ties with the US opened the door for Deng but allying with US foreign policy, and breaking with the USSR before that, were things Mao deserves criticism for.

>>2388391
just like he gets all the credit for running china and even overseas maoist movements

>>2388433
Mao limited the reach of the cultural revolution so it wouldn't reduce his power thats his real crime

If Stalin lived into his 80s like Mao got to the USSR would still exist.

>>2388238
"Why wasn't Mao an anti-communist, like me? Is he stupid?"

>>2388418
So this is the power of maoism.

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>>2388358
>>2388394
>the cultural revolution
>>2388366
>went extremely out of hand
yeah sure but it was still good. better purge all the glowies all at once and then stop instead of drag it out like the soviets did. i would think similar things must happen in certain very reactionary societies if revolution occurred there as well
>>2388238
>read about him
like what? why read about him instead of reading what he wrote?

i dont get the mao/stalin/engels hate there is really no difference between them and marx/lenin except writing style. marx and lenin were giga autists who always made their theory abstract to be applicable in all situations where the others often used concrete examples.

it seems to me the people who complain about mao are dogmatists who cant help but try to apply concrete particular examples universally and then get mad when it doesn't work

Mao won 2 wars more than you ever have

nah lol mao is easily one of the most impressive leaders of the 20th century and even with his admittedly loose grasp on marxism he grasped the fundamentals more firmly than a lot of people who study it their whole lives never do. a lot of mistakes & ambiguous decisions but the guys reputation as a historical giant is fully well deserved

>>2388394
the cultural revolution was extremely based and every single country should have one.

>>2388340
By using this "deaths not prevented compared to a baseline" logic, African govts are the most evil in existence, killing 10x more than Nazi Germany

>>2388275
>>2388281
Historylet take, Deng's reforms would not have been possible without the industrialization that had already taken place under Mao. Even the GLF did a lot to help the reforms succeed, the TVEs were the most productive sector of the rural economy during the reform era

>>2388238
You are a Khrushchevite Social Fascist Revisionist who must put on the Dunce Cap and undergo a Struggle Session for failing to accept the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, and its advanced Dialectical Materialist Theoretical developments of New Democracy, Mass Line, Law of Contradiction, Cultural Revolution, Protracted Peoples War (PPW), and the Historically Progressive nature of Global Nuclear War, which will allow for a successful World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

Why is China glazed for industrialising, meanwhile Taiwan and South Korean achievements are not recognized. Taiwan and South Korea industrialized much faster than China. They achieved faster rapid increase in life expectancy and reduction in infant mortality than China, but they don't get any praise for that. And they didn't have to go through a famine and cultural revolution bullshit to achieve it. South Korea already became first world 20 years ago, meanwhile China is still at $12,000 GDP per capita.

>>2388655
Based Take Comrade LeftCom, all Reactionary elements of the Superstructure will be purged in the Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution (ie. Religion will be Illegal, Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas will be bulldozed, Reactionary clothing will be banned, including all kinds of Religious Clothing such as Hijabs, Burkhas, Turbans, Yemukhas/Kippahs,, Priest Collars/Robes, Monk/Nun dresses, etc., Capitalist Business Suits, Patriarchal Women’s Dresses, Skirts, etc., and all Women are forced to have extremely short hair (Pixie cut or shorter), and Dresses/Skirts/Makeup are banned in order to liberate Women from the chains of Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity and flatten the Patriarchal/Sexist/Misogynistic Gender Binary, with everyone forced to wear Mao Suits, etc.) in the future Global USSR that will be established after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and PRC escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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>>2388691
truthnuke
general park chung hee and his five year plans saved south korea

>>2388393
we all are

>>2388691
half of all elderly people in south Korea live in poverty

>>2388691
Because Taiwan and South Korea suck balls and China is awesome 😎👍

>>2388238
Oh look more historic nihilism.

>>2388655
I and a Dentist fan but I agree, at the very least America, Germany, and Japan should have absolutley one. Maybe the UK and India aswell.

>>2388910
Damn I think I had a stroke while writing that.

>>2388691
South korea lagged behind the north until the 70s and only surpassed them due too insane amounts of support from the US. Likewise for Taiwan. China came from a much worse position and had to do it on it's own.

>>2388340
All anti-communism is a mental disorder worthy of institutional incarceration as this post proves

>>2388691
We don't compare China with Korea, Taiwan, or even Japan because it would be like comparing a fish tank with an ocean, by absolute numbers China under Mao saved hundreds of Koreas and dozens of Japans worth of human lifespans.

Think about the scale problem. Taiwan, South Korea, they got to whatever they are relative to US per capita GDP (60-70%) within a few generations. Taiwan had 20 million people. South Korea had 40-45 million people. To move that number of people and get them all working in high wage industrial or service jobs in urban areas is possible within a few generations. It's just physically impossible to achieve that on the scale that China's been operating on with 1.4 billion people. But if you look at the urban migration that they've done, it is completely unprecedented in the history of humanity. For many years they were urbanizing at the rate of 20 million people a year added to the urban population. I forget the precise calculation, but in terms of housing and urban infrastructure, they were building the equivalent of New York plus Philadelphia plus San Francisco every single year for 20 years. No one has ever done anything like this before. The lesson of this is that there's an arithmetic problem there. Even if you do this on this unprecedented scale, and do it faster and bigger than anyone has done it before, if you're trying to move 1.4 billion people into an income of United States-level, it just takes a really, really long time. Taiwans entire population is equivalent to Shanghai more or less. If you take Shanghai it’s gdp per capita, it is close to Taiwan. Heck cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai IN China are equivalent in most metrics.

So we compare China with post-colonial India because they both were abundant in people and land, and both started utterly destitute at a similar time, as they had the same scale problem. However, China actually was in a worse position than India, as in the late 1940s, India possessed a more extensive railway and road infrastructure largely due to the colonial legacy left by the British. On the other hand, China's infrastracture was devastated by decades of Chinese Civil War as well as the Japanese invasion. Chongqing withstood more bombs than all of India saw bullets. The PRC was also sanctioned by two super powers (USA and USSR) for two decades and still came out of it with much higher industrial and social metrics than India in the 1970s and now China's gdp is 3x larger than the total gdp of Africa and India combined.

These days China owns their banks and they're not a lapdog for American imperialists. They don't have American military bases in their countries and Yankees raping their women. America has no power over China to make them sign some a self harming Plaza Accord type deal. The US also pushed japan to weaken MITI (Ministry of International Trade and Industry) which signicantly weakened Japans industrial policy and control over foreign currency allocation and capital inflows. So now, 70% of Sony's shares are held by non-Japanese investors. In a poll, only 11% of Japanese say they would fight for their country, the lowest in the world South Korea's largest corporation Samsung is actually majority foreign owned. South Korea has a higher suicide rate than china, little satisfaction with their government and it's a vassel to america's interests.

>>2388698
The only man who could have saved South Korea was Kim Il Sung

Or Stalin

>>2388238
If Mao was a shittier Stalin was Deng a smarter Khruschev?

>>2388691
>meanwhile Taiwan and South Korean achievements are not recognized.
because they're tiny and were favored by the west. there, bitch

>>2389070
Nah its more like Deng was a Bukharin who managed not to get shot during the purges and too power after Stalin's death. Mao thought about purging Deng multiple times similar to how Stalin did Bukharin but in the end decided against it.

>>2389039
honestly this is the best response. good effort post

>>2389110
could bukharin and the rightists surviving the purges and taking power in the 1950s saved the union. Or would they have destroyed it.

>>2389067
but park chung hee was south koreas stalin though

>>2388691
didn't they get a bunch of free investment. thats kinda different then doing it on your own

>>2388300
Mao's career up until like 1955 is super based and impressive. Everything after that is a train wreck that goes from bad to worse.

>>2388593
>selfie hand on the right

>>2389792
In south koreas case it was a mixture of american and japanese aid.
In japans case it was american aid.

>>2389867
and in taiwans case it was us aid. Unsure if japan aided taiwan tho

>>2388340
>no one is looking at 'excess mortality' in the US and condemning them for killing millions of people.
Listen to Death Panel podcast and read Health Communism
>Yes, the GLF and cultural revolution were bad
(Maoist Red Guard schoolgirls with eye lasers meme)

>>2388238
Not this individualism nonsense.

Comrade Mao had far less importance and power than is mistakenly attributed to him. Mao was a good man but not a great man who do not exist.

Jesus Christ this site is cooked.
>mao was bourgeois
vs
>mao was retarded aside from the bourgeoise things he did and Deng was better

>>2388358
didn't the cultural revolution target not just capitalist roaders and bourgeoisie but also random people people educated in STEM fields who were contributing massively to the PRC? Like the very same people who helped China get its first atomic weapons were targeted by the GPCR. So it seems to me that it was at least partially retarded, counterproductive, and a circular firing squad. Some people always want to defend purges as getting rid of reactionaries but it's very obvious when a shotgun is being used instead of tweezers to remove lice.

And just like the purges of the 1930s didn't stop revisionism from eventually taking hold, the GPCR didn't stop Deng. It is very easy for defenders of these purges to double down and say no, actually they didn't go far enough. But the question becomes in what regard? Perhaps they didn't go far enough in the regard that they actually failed to target the bourgeoisie, and perhaps they went too far in the regard that they falsely targeted a lot of communists?

>>2423087
"They should have targeted the bourgeoisie" is easy to say but what do you mean by that specifically? The old pre-revolutionary Chinese bourgeoisie had been reduced to a bunch of pensioners without any capital, they were expropriated in the 50s. If you mean that the bureaucratic clique constituted a new bourgeoisie and the GCPR should have targeted them more than it did then most Maoists would agree with you.


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>>2423573
>students told me if it does not bring us closer to liberation it's a waste of paper and ink
<so i went to work in the factory and learn from the workers who humbled tf out of me
<also it fixed my relationship with my son
starting to think these red guards guys were a bit based.

>>2423573
>the red guards came to my house
>asked if i had reactionary books
>I had a lot of foreign books on math/science
>they said these weren't reactionary but they did ask how it contributed to the development of the country
>they didn't make me burn the books or throw them out (he still has a lot of books around him clearly in the video)
>they made me go work in the countryside to learn what it feels like to do agricultural labor

now compare that with this scene from the 3 body problem (written by westoids, specifically the game of thrones guys) which shows a professor getting literally beaten to death because "atomic physics is reactionary because Einstein helped the American imperialists build the atom bomb" (China already had an atom bomb by the time the cultural revolution happened)

>>2423634
Looks like a fun time tbh. Id be the guy with the microphone

>>2423650
I am saying westoid propaganda always lies.

>>2423664
I know, that much is a given

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>>2423634
>tv series literally based on a world renowned Chinese novel series
>no you see the scene based on a part of novel is actually westoid propaganda 🤓
Or you know, the Chinese masses have been thought a reductive/reactionary view of the GPCR because the GPCR's legacy is one of the the most significant threats to Chinese capitalism and obviously western media will ratchet up this reductive view to like x1000.

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>>2388238
以真主的名义,最仁慈,最仁慈的你的脖子将落入列宁-斯大林无敌党的剑下。 野蛮的野兽会在你的身体上盛宴,而毛泽东主义温暖的阳光照亮了所有热爱自由的人的祖国。你是地球上的渣滓,侮辱了我们心中灿烂的红太阳毛主席。 太阳的耀眼的红色光芒,即马克思列宁主义-毛泽东主义将永远吞没你。

>>2423634
>they made me go work in the countryside to learn what it feels like to do agricultural labor
That's not what happened, he was worried about being sent to the farms and thought he was to old, then he went to work in the factory instead.

>>2423634
This is exactly how it is described in the novels; written by a chinese patriot.

>>2423634
>written by westoids
3-body-problem is a Chinese novel.

>>2423734
maybe they meant the Netflix TV show.

>>2423737
Maybe but there are plenty of Chinese people (including the current CPC leadership) who have a negative view of the Cultural Revolution.

>>2423734
the only reason it won awards is because the CIA read the book and pushed for it to be made popular because it criticized the cultural revolution. author is a libshit.

>>2423747
Anon the CPC criticizes the cultural revolution.

>>2423737
>Posts clip from Netflix adaptation written by the Game of Thrones writers
>States exactly what they're criticizing and why
>"b-b-b-but it was a Chinese novel!"
>"hmm maybe he was referring to the Netflix adaptation."
Are y'all seriously that dense? What a useless series of responses.

>>2423746
Correct. Much of the historical revisionism surrounding the Cultural Revolution comes from China and the Communist Party itself. See attached:
>[The Capitalist Roaders] were primarily nationalists and they participated in the Communist revolution because that was the only viable route they could find to Chinese nationalism. The two themes of nationalism and class struggle worked together well before 1949 (Dong 2006). But after 1949, the two themes could not fit together so well. For Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping class struggle was more a means to an end of achieving national unity and dignity. Once that goal had been accomplished the class struggle theme of the Marxist paradigm became irrelevant and the class struggle of the Maoist paradigm was seen as disastrously erroneous. The theme of national unity meant that political control had to remain tight, or democratic reform would lead to national disintegration. The theme of national dignity meant that China’s economy needed to catch up with that of the West. Therefore, to embrace market capitalism was a natural course of action for them. What happened after the death of Mao proved this beyond dispute.
>[In 1985] A poster was put up on a wall on Northwest Cotton Factory No. 1 in a very busy district. The title of the poster is Wenhua da geming hao (The Cultural Revolution was Good). In the poster the authors listed merits of the Cultural Revolution such as the building of the Nanjing Bridge, the creation of hybrid rice crops and the rise of people’s consciousness. The poster alarmed not only the city, provincial authorities but also the central CCP. Beijing sent an investigative team to find out what the ‘active reactionaries’ were up to. The person found guilty was a young worker at a shoe factory. He was sentenced to ten years’ jail and died in jail soon after arrest without any apparent cause (Wu Zhenrong and Deng Wenbi 2004).

>>2423765
>What a useless series of responses.
My point was mainly about how silly it is to blame "Westoids" and the CIA for negative portrayals of the GPCR when there is no shortage of such views in China itself. The initial post is pointless unless the scene in the Netflix version differs substantially from the scene in the novel.


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>>2388238
>YELLOW PERIL

>>2388400
the US?

>>2423791
based China

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>>2423737
It's the same in the novel. You haven't read it? It was part of the Barack Obama book club.

>>2423747
Well that's funny because Liu Cixin made the libs mad because he has said things they don't like about the Chinese government lifting the Uyghurs out of poverty and that Western-style liberal democracy would lead to chaos. And then some of his lib fans would be like "oh he's just saying cuz he doesn't get arrested by the Chinese government." You know how the libs be.

>>2423746
There are plenty of Chinese people who have a positive view of the GCPR too. Read the Mobo Gao book maoanon linked you but you don't even have to do that, go on propaganda videos from the GCPR era and translate the Mandarin comments. It should also activate your almonds that the western anti-communist interpretation of the GCPR is functionally identical to the CPC's.

>>2423634
>3 body problem
people actually watch the american version when the chinese version exists???
>>2423747
>author is a libshit.
dark forest is pretty obviously an allegory for the cold war with reform and opening up being the same as hiding your radio signals or whatever

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>>2424138
>It was part of the Barack Obama book club.
Reminds me of how a Hungarian (i could be wrong) author in the 70s wrote a clearly anti-communist novel but was given the USSR's highest literary award because revisionism is a bitch and shit. This is way worse btw.

>>2423634
>>2423734
This is one of the worst books out there, it is reactionary and written by a reactionary. The whole plot is about aliens being dangerous and the bad guys are alien sympathisers. Dark Forest theory is stupid. The Three Body Problem book exemplifies the capitalist reaction in China, where Communism is no longer the future for the world and humanity's future is instead built around 'surviving'. Any mass movement is scary and evil because it is written by someone who knows he would be rightfully liquidated by the people for being a right winger. I can only graze the surface of how reactionary it is.

>>2388238
You must only be reading the most ridiculous liberal wank then. What did he fail at apart from the great leap forward (which was part an honest failiure to skip capitalism and was also sabotaged by rightists)? Communes were a success, New Democracy was a success, Hundred Flowers was a succes, GPCR was an immense success. He wasn't anything like Stalin in any way, like have you not read about the history of the CPC and the Soviet Union? And I don't understand why people try to defend every thing Stalin did and then shit on Mao, when Stalin made way more mistakes than Mao. Like you can admit he was very flawed and still uphold him (this is what all serious communists do since Mao).

>>2425826
>people actually watch the american version when the chinese version exists???
Both are reactionary.
>dark forest is pretty obviously an allegory for the cold war with reform and opening up being the same as hiding your radio signals or whatever
So as they were saying: lib shit. If their intention was an allegory for reform and opening up during the cold war, then it's a shit, revisionist allegory.

>>2425849
any recommendations of stuff that isnt liberal wankfest

>>2425907
There is none


>>2388238

Well, I am Chinese. About 15 years ago, I also thought Mao was a "retard," until I truly studied what he did and combined it with historical events.
My conclusion is that his ultimate goal was:
>To give ordinary people the power to overthrow any government at any time.
This was something unprecedented in Chinese history.
He believed that in order to motivate people, they first had to feel that they were working for their own families, meaning that the work was entirely their own.
As for the Great Leap Forward, did he really not know that the provinces and cities were exaggerating production numbers? Did he not realize that such grain collection would cause people to starve?
He knew, but the Soviet Union was about to stop exporting industrial products to China, and the only way China could earn foreign exchange was through agricultural products. He had to act fast during this window period to purchase more industrial goods.
As for the deterioration of Sino-Soviet relations, I think it was because China was developing too quickly, similar to the current tensions between the U.S. and China. The Soviet Union and the U.S. never misjudged China, and later, China joined the U.S. camp during the Cold War, causing the Soviet Union to deploy a large portion of its military forces to the East.
I’ve gone off track a bit.
To get back to the point, the biggest difference between Deng Xiaoping and Mao Zedong is that Deng believed there was only one way to motivate people, and that was "greed."
China's development has largely relied on "greed." For example, corruption among officials was tolerated. If a mayor embezzled 5% of a city’s tax revenue but had strong abilities and managed to increase the city's GDP by several times, his corruption would be overlooked. The same goes for the higher-ups in the CCP. Corruption was something the Jiang Zemin faction had to do. They didn’t actually lack money, nor were they particularly fond of money—it was just a way of expressing their position.

I’ve said a lot. It may not be directly related to Mao Zedong, but every event has its reasons. To become a politician, they’re really not as “retarded” as people think.

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Daily reminder that Mao wouldn't have needed to run a peasant revolution if COMINTERN didn't urge the CPC's proles to disarm and get them massacred by the KMT.

>>2425963
Thank you for your insight Chinese anon

>>2388405
In Building the Party, Cliff briefly complains near the start about the USSR official documentaries and the 🍀anglo🍀 M-Ls for being delusional of Lenin and pretending he was born fukkin Jesus Christ son of Marx, instead of finally becoming a Marxist after years and years of Narodism, which was popular at the time unlike the literal dozens of Russian Marxists back then. (In the likely case that any mentally-ill people are reading this - don't reply until you realize that this is not a critique of Lenin in any way!).

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>>2425963
>My conclusion is that his ultimate goal was:
>To give ordinary people the power to overthrow any government at any time.
>He believed that in order to motivate people, they first had to feel that they were working for their own families, meaning that the work was entirely their own.
I find Mao to be the most fascinating communist leader. He believed the average Chinese was clever, creative and inventive person and could think for themselves and figure things out and change their lives, their country, and the world.

>>2425963
China was prone to droughts in cycles just look up Chinese history of famines they had major ones every few decades. Same with the Slavic countries. How do you explain Mao shutting down schools? That clearly was retarded. He also did other stupid things like try to kill entire species off, though that isn't uniquely stupid to him or any ideology.

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>>2425904
ultras would say that

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>>2425963
Based. Permanent cultural revolution NOW

>>2426005
you could honestly adapt the four sparrows campaign to modern times by targeting invasive plant species like phragmites in the US or spartina in China.

>>2425849
>GPCR was an immense success
I don't know how you can possibly say this. I think there are valuable things there with the GCPR but its stated goals were not achieved, Mao himself had largely betrayed it even by 67 and it ended with the restoration of capitalism in China. It was an attempt to counter bureaucracy by mobilizing the masses but despite the slogans about Paris Mao never trusted the masses enough to commit to communes. And if you're countering bureaucracy with "mass" organizations run in actuality by party cadres and the PLA, you are trying to counter bureaucracy with bureaucracy.

>>2426198
Ultras in China refers to Maoists who reject market reforms

Gpcr was sctually existing anarchism, which is why it failed

great leap forward wouldnt have happened if the US had accepted maos and enlais early 1945 olive branch for good relations and potential economic cooperation. instead they ignored him and pushed china into the arms of russia delaying what nixon ended up doing anyway by 30 years

Mmm anti chinese psyop thread
He was actually great and the more you learn the more based he gets. Keep crying.


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