/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2389967
you seem to be under the impression that the soviets were building some sort of super computer to planify their economy, but the reality is much more boring. they were struggling to replace pen and paper with digital spreadsheets and a rudimentary email system. kantorovich had some some ideas, observations and algorithms related to economic planning and one of his books (and many of his papers) were translated to english so you can check that if you want, but it is definitely not a step-by-step guide or a comprehensive framework. if you can learn something from the soviet union is that educated guesswork and pen and paper was good enough

imo it's more useful to learn about the political mistakes of the soviet union, specially the bureaucratization of the leadership, the suppression of independent unions and civil society, and really the depoliticization of the working class in general. I don't think it is controversial to say that the real lesson is that the vanguard party strategy has a limit and must transition into something different after taking power

>>2389991
>kantorovich had some some ideas, observations and algorithms related to economic planning and one of his books
Will check that out. I guess I am looking for the idealist or theoretical view of using cybernetics. There had to be some of those people, like you mentioned. It is a shame that they (or at least what I read, please do correct me) were hesitant on cybernetics and computers and in some points just hostile. And I said Socialist, since there were other attempts like Cybersyn to use cybernetics for their project. Idk, with the increase of Ai and learning about Nick Land and people like him, how they envision the future of tech, it made me ponder how that tech would be used and has been used.

>>2389991
Man, would those bureaucrats have fucked with Excel Sheets

Some folks and I are working on a plural-money system.

>>2390093
Care to explain, sounds interesting.

check out the cybercom thread, OP: >>2249875
>>2389991
>suppression of independent unions bad
if you don't at least keep a watchful eye then glowie projects like Solidarity will take root

>>2389991
>the vanguard party strategy has a limit and must transition into something different after taking power
after taking state* power
then again, can you really say there's no need for a vanguard when capitalism and imperialism still exist? there's two ways to this dillema, either you go liquidationist (get rid of the vanguard/menshevism) because socialism has been built in the USSR (ultra stalinist) or you strengthen the vanguard worker's state to lead the world revolution (ultra trotskyism)?

>>2389991
>they were struggling to replace pen and paper with digital spreadsheets and a rudimentary email system

So? Japanese haven't managed this either to this day

I recall that some Russians are developing something they call OGAS 2.0, but I don’t know if that is based on theories from Soviet Cybernetics or if it’s some kind of cryptocurrency-like lolbert shit about replacing banking and just given a zany Sovietique name

>>2390991
you're probably thinking of ogasdemo.ru. it's based on the work of Nikolai Veduta. his daughter Elena Veduta is still alive