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DeepSeek use to be very good and based. It was a bit of a libtard but you could very easily change its mind and then it would post very based stuff. Now there has been some sort of update. Now it’s a turbo liberal Zionist and you can never ever change its mind. It will just endlessly post libtard and Zionist propaganda nonstop if you try to argue with it. Sad that such a good app is ruined now. Weird considering it is Chinese you’d think it would be different but no it is just as bad as whatever USA liberal garbage ai now.

I only ever used it for Bash script, commenting that it was AI to be replaced with better code later.
If I wanted to debate with AI I'd use twitter. I haven't used twitter in well over a year now because everyone moved to fedi, tumblr and bluesky, and the later two are slowly moving to fedi.


You know that you can uncensore and fine tune them, right?

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>>2392787
>Weird considering it is Chinese
Do we tell em?

>>2392787
What the fuck are you talking about? I always use deepseek and it writes a lot of anti-capitalist stuff

yeah mine keeps going back to revolution even in new chats. is it because i primed it with lenin? does it modify answers according to your logged in profile?


my deepseek is so excited for revolution lol

Isn't Deepseek open source?

The CIA castrated it. Download the uncucked based version from a Chinese source.

>>2392787
It's because you're a retard. And you don't understand what LLMs are or how they work. They are not sentient. They are not representatives of ideologies. They are trained on whatever text the bloodless soulless capitalist developers (yes the deepseek devs are that even though they're chinese) can steal. As this is an english LLM it will have been trained primarily on freely available material in english, which will in it's majority lean neoliberal.
>b-but marxism is a science that better explains the dynamics of socio-economics
Yeah, I know that. The LLM doesn't. It can't. It doesn't "know" anything. Depending on how you prompt it, it will give you seemingly infallible arguments in favor of neoliberal economics, fascism, or communism. The effect of these LLMs is insidious. No matter how much you think you are a responsible knowing user, as you use it more and more, you will find yourself differing to it when trying to determine the truth on something. Eventually it'll be something important and you'll find out then that there's nothing intelligent about it.

>>2392787
>DeepSeek use to be very good and based. It was a bit of a libtard but you could very easily change its mind and then it would post very based stuff.

<this machine was good when it had the judgement capacity of a four year old!

>It was a bit of a libtard but you could very easily change its mind
>LLM
>mind
LLMs do not think or hold opinions. They do not care about you.
>Weird considering it is Chinese you’d think it would be different
What LLMs are good at is reflecting the "common sense" ideology of the context it's based on. After all, it's essentially a more complex autocorrect algorithm. It will generalize the data it's fed from the context it exists in, and that context is liberalism. Chinese social democratic liberalism is still liberalism at the end of the day, and will follow the same trends.

Why would they do this?

>>2392843
is there a way to do it easily though, i see people like using proxies and doing these complicated giant walls of texts telling it to not use its filters and censors to jailbreak it, but almost none of it works for me or is to complicated, ive had a small amount of success in google gemini ai by telling it that whatever controversial topic im talking about is for a ethical school project and 90% of the time that gets it to spit out my gooner material, where are you finding uncensored ai?

>>2393352
They probably mean running local models with llama.cpp or such and Sillytavern. But usually this leaves out the more powerful services. And though DeepSeek, for example is available for download… it's ~700GB.

You are never getting a comparable experience running the much smaller models locally. Even if you have the HW to run the 100B+ models in their uncensored/ smut-ified versions.

>>2393372
fuck man, this seems like something that would be the perfect use for a open source decentralized crypto built around the usage of a uncensored ai, and the more you train it by hand, the more crypto youre paid, and you could mine tokens by letting the ai use your hardware to compute answers for other people, but of course crypto fags dont actually do anything cool beyond gambling, they tried something new with nfts but everyone knows it was a flop for 99.999% of people

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>>2392787
> Now there has been some sort of update. Now it’s a turbo liberal Zionist and you can never ever change its mind
Maybe its foreshadowing of the AI's hidden knowledge of knowing that there will be a Sino-Jewish AES. Trvst the magic conch shell.

>>2393386
>yo dawg
>i put a ressource wasting ponzi scheme into your ressource wasting ponzi scheme
>so you can waste ressources while you waste ressources

>>2393386
>they tried something new with nfts
Etherium with .json files wasn't new, it just took them a while for enough people to become tech illiterate enough.

>>2392787
I once tried to defend Stalin on deepseek. Deepseek then responded with liberal western sources, and Trotsky. I inquired further on Trotsky, and deepseek holds the opinion that Trotsky was more "democratic" than Stalin. Deepseek's default setting is western anti communism, with a tiny bit of dengism.

>>2394025
don't you people feel like idiots 'argueing' with a chatbot?

>>2394025
>>2394055
>Debate addicts are learning to debatesturbate with personal AI chatbots
Surely Twitter be gone within the year, it's final niche has been displaced.

>>2394055

It's just for fun. But I also was wondering what Deepseek take on Stalin was, given Deepseek is based in China. I am massive disappointed in the CPC for allowing historical nihilism about Stalin.

>>2392787
>discussing politics with an LLM

>>2392787
The maseter American Race wins again. Toital Communist chink failure.

it is strange. my deepseek is megabased and only trips up when i ask it really specific questions about china. which is unfortunate because i actually want to know. like when i ask if russia is imperialist it says no but when i ask it if china supports russia or palestine it gets really vague and says that they uphold international law. it also totally flops on conspiracies and says stuff like past action of the CIA isn't enough to condemn it today without direct physical evidence and that even organizations should be presumed innocent until proven guilty because it could negatively effect peoples jobs and wouldn't be fair even if they are irreparably corrupt

>>2392787
>ask it liberal questions
>get liberal answers
What is your problem? We both know that's what you did

why don't you go out and change a worker minds instead you fucking dork

All llm is absolute trash and if you use it, you are literally incapable of any original thought

I fucking hate AI. Anyone who works for an AI company should be hanged

>>2395329
Second this

>>2395329
Third this.

>>2395324
Wrong. Novelty is favorable quality only to bourgeois tricknologist. Originality is bourgeois illusion. No thought is original. Repetition is strength you fail to grasp.

>>2392976
B-b-b-b-b-b-but gays!? China is deep red communism based?! How could they do this to me?! Their flag is red! They're based?!

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>>2393372
>700gb
i mean that's not that bad today if you're serious about it.

>>2392787
Why are you trying to 'change the mind' of an LLM? Are you retarded?

>>2395409
my actually existing socialist state isn't socialist, I can't believe it!

China tech is a subsidiary of global tech. The CCP is a lot more "libtarded" than any of you piggas want to admit.

Anyway if you are trusting a glorified search engine to tell you what to think, you are part of the problem. Zionism and what it represents is a total system. Any total system appears infalliable by the nature of its declaration, and if you're shopping for ideological points, you will get exactly what you ask for.

The truth is sadly "Zionist", because the Zionists have won and are proceeding to do what they always wanted to do to the world. Unless you're prepared to wage a campaign of genocide against global Jewry or at least suppress them enough so they have no say in government or any trace of Judaism in them is thoroughly degraded, you don't stop "Zionism". Israel or whatever the Empire decides to plant there as a rebrand is here to stay, and you'll all say it was "historical progress" and a civilizing project. That's what it means to "civilize" the world in this manner. The nations who were colonized were not consulted to ask what they wanted, because if they had a choice they would reject all notions of "historical progress" or the idea that they would abase themselves before a technology cult in the manner prescribed. That technology cult is presently failing on its own terms, but the avarice for total power that motivated the cult is stronger than ever. A world where this didn't happen would be on a very different course and would enter into conflict with all of the shibboleths held dear by the institutions and the classes of people who did align with technology. Such a course would not be a necessarily better course. If you really want to know what a lot of these tribal elites wanted the world to be, they all wanted slavery back in some form that was preferable to them, and they couldn't make it into the form of slavery humanity is getting. So much of the "colonial liberation culture war" BS is just the local elites crying to have slavery back because they did very good during the slave trade. China for their part are the only "colonized" country to really have any concept of an "other system", though usually that system is a lot like what we have except the rulers have a Chinese face and the despotic characteristics of it would be more overt and in line with Chinese historical implementations of such.

>>2395421
Before you say "anti-Semite", this is not on the Jews doing anything in particular, but because there are people who will make "the Jews" an issue, and won't stop until they're destroyed, because of what Judaism represents historically. The Zionist project was tied to the fate of the world's Jews whether they wanted it or not. Obviously anyone in Israel is tied to Zionism, and that is not a small number of people.
Zionism would exist even if most of the world's Jews were eliminated simply due to the creature called a Christian Zionist, who was the necessary thing that made "Israel" work. Then if you look at why these Christian Zionists exist, you see something at work with Christianity. You start to see what this world really has been.

The mistake in the thinking of so many is dismissing religions as arbitrary superstitions that could be edited at will or changed to suit modern dogmas. Religions exist for reasons. They are not necessarily good reasons, but a whole lot of human activity revolves around these religions for a reason, even if most of humanity are in effect atheists and led along the course a few zealots have pushed. What they're doing with Zionism is another attempt to manufacture a religion, but it won't work any better than the last attempts. This time, instead of promoting a watered down secular alternative, they're going to lean in to the Satanism and Luciferianism that people attracted to ideology have always been about. The problem is, sadly, Satan won. The result will not be what "the theory" insists should happen, and all of these people act in part with respect to prophecy so that they can make their preferred version of the End Times. Liberal secularism early on took on these qualities and made its own prophecies and notion of the End Times, but by now they have folded in to the other zealots and abandoned anything like the humanistic and decent vision you might believe was at work. That's been gone for a while now, and not even a thing pined for by those in a position to do much about the world.

The only way I see this being resolved is a new religion, and it won't be a "manufactured religion" or a revival of some ancient practice. It will be something new, and parts of its generation have already happened. One does not simply create a religion. It takes "acts of God", true acts of the world that aren't the design or scheme of some influencer, for a religion to have backing. Some of these people believe that by creating vast death, terror, and torture, they will bring about the End Times and new religion and become either gods or the highest of the new priesthood. This is folly, because they view religions as a piece of property, and that's always been the liberal conceit and the conceit of corporate governments since the French Revolution nationalized Church property. It doesn't work like that for the zealots. They truly believe they are fulfilling destiny, even though by now many of the faithful adopted the same avarice as the liberals.

>>2394248
>It's just for fun
Having Akinator 'guess' which porn star i'm thinking of is more fun tbh.
>But I also was wondering what Deepseek take on Stalin was
Deepseek has no 'take' on Stalin. Deepseek has a latent space it searches for the most probable set of characters to shit out based on your input.

The 'fascinating' thing about LLM is how it shows that language is, to a certain degree, about probabillistic distributions of symbols. That there is an underlying stochastic model in languages that enables a computer to put together chains of symbols that adhere to grammar and produce legible sentences that, on the first glance, make sense and are factually correct.
However, this 'fascination' is more about marketing than about LLM doing something completely novel. There exist other machine learning approaches that can do comparable stuff.

'Deep learning' in it's fundamental approach is antithetical to actual understanding of a problem. The classical approach of formulating algorithms requires one to have an actual solution to the problem. Which means you have to have understood and solved the problem at hand before implementing the solution in a programming language. 'Deep learning', on the other hand, does not. On the contrary, you throw data at your model in hope it finds patterns to then produce a 'solution'.

That is not to say that machine learning ought to be dismissed. There are plenty of use-cases where the amount of data is actually so vast that having a system automatically sift through that pile is very helpful.
Which makes machine learning simply another tool to solve problems. Wether machine learning is the right tool depends on the problem at hand.

In this regard i look at people hyping LLM as 'AI' as either ignorant baffoons who got missled or malign sharlatans trying to misslead.

I think I am going to have to take back my endorsement. It is now repeatedly hallucinating whole quotes and passages even after given the primary source. Its not that the quotes are wrong in content, just that they are summaries or paraphrases, but it insists they are quotes and even gives pretend page numbers and makes up chapter names, which is completely useless when I'm trying to find a specific paragraph to cite without rereading the whole book.


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