Would zoos, safari parks and circuses be allowed to exist, or as animal rights activists say, there would have to be a total separation of humans and animals in animal care and only sanctuaries would be allowed to exist?
>>2393053I mean logically, a government, a country, a whatever you want to call the social order of people, only exists for the people who are citizens or other members of that country and society. Animals are not part of society. I guess you could make the case that pets and livestock are part of human society, because they have no existence separate from it, but that is not the case for the majority of animals on Earth. Which of the countries that a migrating animal travels through, is he officially a citizen of? It's like a beyond silly question to try and mix ideas about human society with other important issues, but are separate mostly from the concepts about human society is ordered.
>Environmental conservation, animal protection, global warming, blahh blahhVery important issues that have nothing to do with the difference between capitalism, fascism, communism, etc.
>>2393154Well, ideologically it would be ideal to look at the minds of children, not the adults.
Children don't enjoy being beaten, shouted at, made "enjoy the adult activities" or else they are considered "wimpy".
Yeah, the same reason why most women don't enjoy being trafficked.
Children enjoy going to the zoos, circuses, amusement parks, enjoy playing in the playgrounds, playing instruments, some sports (without the grades), being praised, being coddled etc.
>>2393170Ewww….
And that's why this generation is retarded.
BTW I was born in 2000, where in Poland, up till 2021, circuses with animals were LEGAL!
>>2392953Actually, Marx wrote a bit about how human metabolism is linked to machinery and the extractive nature of capitalism.
IMO the capitalists feeds us a meat-heavy fatty diet simply because that makes for short-term better workers. It is the grueling pressures of capitalism which force the workers into an environmental devastating diet. We eat a lot of pigs for the same sort of reasons that we mine a lot of coal.
There is a bit of awkwardness here. Capital often suppresses forms of technology which are hard to monetize. Water-power mills were better than coal-fueled mills but were very location dependent. The issue with nuclear power is not just that big oil is opposed to nuclear power but that nuclear power is not monetizable in discrete chunks like oil or coal.
IMO the capitalist diet is most unique in that it is composed of commodities. Everything in society is digitized for the unfeeling analysis of market profit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany
>There was widespread support for animal welfare in Nazi Germany[1] (German: Tierschutz im nationalsozialistischen Deutschland) among the country's leadership. Adolf Hitler and his top officials took a variety of measures to ensure animals were protected.[2]
>Several Nazis were environmentalists, and species protection and animal welfare were significant issues in the Nazi regime.[3] Heinrich Himmler made an effort to ban the hunting of animals.[4] Hermann Göring was a professed animal lover and conservationist,[5] who threatened to commit Germans who violated Nazi animal welfare laws to concentration camps.[5] In his private diaries, Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a vegetarian who was contemptuous of Judaism and Christianity for the ethical distinction they drew between the value of humans and the value of animals;[6][5] Goebbels also mentions that Hitler planned to discourage slaughterhouses in the German Reich following the conclusion of World War II.[6] The Nazi government made a law against animal testing but in practice animal testing was permitted and even encouraged in Nazi Germany.[7][8][9]
>At the end of the nineteenth century, kosher butchering and vivisection (animal experimentation) were the main concerns of the German animal welfare movement. The Nazis adopted these concerns as part of their political platform.[11] According to Boria Sax, the Nazis rejected anthropocentric reasons for animal protection—animals were to be protected for their own sake.[12] In 1927, a Nazi representative to the Reichstag called for actions against cruelty to animals and kosher butchering.[11]
>In 1931, the Nazi Party (then a minority in the Reichstag) proposed a ban on vivisection, but the ban failed to attract support from other political parties. By 1933, after Hitler had ascended to the Chancellery and the Nazis had consolidated control of the Reichstag, the Nazis immediately held a meeting to enact the ban on vivisection. On April 21, 1933, almost immediately after the Nazis came to power, the parliament began to pass laws for the regulation of animal slaughter.[11] On April 21, a law was passed concerning the slaughter of animals; no animals were to be slaughtered without anesthetic.
>Göring also banned commercial animal trapping and imposed severe restrictions on hunting. He prohibited boiling of lobsters and crabs. In one incident, he sent a fisherman to a concentration camp for cutting up a bait frog.[13][citation needed]
>On February 23, 1934, a decree was enacted by the Prussian Ministry of Commerce and Employment which introduced education on animal protection laws at primary, secondary and college levels.[19] In 1934, Nazi Germany hosted an international conference on animal welfare in Berlin.[20] On March 27, 1936, an order on the slaughter of living fish and other poikilotherms was enacted. On March 18 the same year, an order was passed on afforestation and on protection of animals in the wild.[19] On September 9, 1937, a decree was published by the Ministry of the Interior which specified guidelines for the transportation of animals.[21] In 1938, the Nazis introduced animal protection as a subject to be taught in public schools and universities in Germany.[20] >>2393245Duh… some folks tell me I'm evil, because I want to interact with animals, even exotic animals and allow people to pet them.
Tell me what is so "anti'animal'rights about it.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/343091Things You Never Knew About Nature-Loving Himmler
>According to Himmler, you had to ban vivisection in order to "awaken and strengthen the spirit of compassion as one of the highest moral values of the German people." A Himmler proud to define the German people as "the only one in the world to have a decent attitude towards animals."
>This most zealous murderer of a children 's story even wrote a book of fairy tales, in which rats unearthed in the homes of the Germans are not killed, but taken to court for trial, "treated with humanity."
>On Himmler's wall hung approved guidelines for the transport of animals and he hosted international conferences on animal protection in Berlin. Himmler promulgated a regulation for the slaughter of fish and other cold-blooded animals. Himmler once asked his physician, a well known hunter: "How can you, you, Dr. Kersten, enjoy shooting from a shelter at the defenseless creatures that roam the forest, unable to protect themselves and free from all suspicion? It is' a real crime . Nature is tremendously beautiful and every animal has the right to live "
>Himmler hated tobacco, which he defined "lung masturbation". The Reichsführer who urged his soldiers not to show pity in shooting and gassing women and children , banned smoking not only among his SS, but also in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals and on trains and buses of the city.
>Himmler hated hunting and called it "a crime against innocent human beings killed in cold blood." It is the same Himmler who sponsored the medical experiments in the extermination camps.
>According to Himmler's racist belief, “native species” originate in a certain place and that is where they “belong.” In similar terms, according to Himmler's heirs,
<in the West and in the Islamic world, Israel’s “colonization” threatens the “original” Arab environment (a bending of the facts, as the Jews are the indigenous people of Israel). In Iran's Himmlerian rethoric, Israel is a "rotten tree".Lol the spin they had to put at the end.
IDF loudly and proudly proclaims itself "the most vegan army in the world."
>>2393866You pass a law declaring all flora, fauna, rivers, and wildlife to be state property. House pets will be considered leases which can be passed down, inherited, traded but are still de facto state property, which can be repo'd if the animal is abused. You have a committee (or series of committees) set up to manage wildlife and another one for domesticated animals, cattle etc. These should be staffed by educated ecologists who will set environmental policies and take care of managing animals and wildlife and given an annual budget for doing this and the power to cull invasive species, manage the environment, carry out wildlife surveillance and monitoring of endangered species or zoonotic diseases. If you have a huge territory, you could federalize this so each state could have its wildlife and nature agency which is underneath a national body. This allows for better localized management of territories that's tailored for each region's terrain. You could also fund this by partially allowing these agencies to collect revenue from national parks, zoos, fishing and hunting licenses etc. and the agency for managing cattle and farm animals could take a slice of agricultural profits alongside any funds it gets from the national treasury. This would give them a level of independence so they won't be fucked over by a Trump style retard. Zoos will have to stay. For better or worse, they have become essential to preserving endangered species and reintroducing animals back into wildlife and for zoology generally. With this system, you can also ensure a steady stream of good jobs for zoologists, ecologists, climate scientists, volcanologists, and opportunities for fieldwork for academic researchers which will lead to better practice.
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