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ITS JOEVER. REFORM HAS WON. TOTAL BRITAIN LOSS.
I HOPE YOU BRITISH FAGS ENJOY THE ONE PARTY REFORM STATE.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA CLOWN WORLD AHHAAH
(unironically this is a pretty grim situation)

us after them

>>2393677
There is no fundamental distinction between Labour and Reform.
Well, Reform might Orbanize things a bit, making it harder for them to lose office, but this country is already governed by a press-politician-private-public-parasite coalition which destroyed Corbyn [duh], Johnson [got too big for his boots], Truss [retarded, but still overthrown], and Sunak [as a punishment beating for the Tories] just to shitehouse Starmer into office, so that's not really a big practical change.
They could scrap devolution, I guess, which would be horrible and miserable for Scotland and Wales and probably start a war in NI, but England's never given a fuck about them anyway, and the precedent has already been set by Sunak vetoing a bunch of devolved legislation on spurious grounds and Starmer leaving those vetoes in place.

Equally, they might not. It isn't inconceivable that the British state is simply ungovernable. That Reform will sweep to victory and then continue literally the exact same policies as before, maybe with some token social reaction here and there - which Starmer's already delivered in spades, but once more with feeling.

>>2393685
so nothing ever happens…

>slightly more right party takes the pairlament
riveting. this constitutes fascism btw

>>2393686
oh things happen all the time in Britain: they get a little bit worse, day-by-day.

>>2393687
you joke but this is actually what happened in 2024.

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>>2393677
That Corbyn number looks good though. If Corbyn actually goes through with the new party project, he could potentially [maybe] overtake and destroy the labour party.

reform is tory-lite, so nothing would change

>>2393735
my cynic side says his party will just become labour 2.0

That would be worth being stressed about if Labor wasnt basically the same party already.
I'm no nihilist/relativist but really i fail to see any difference besides more (performative) anti-brown rethorics from Reform.
It's the same incompetent austerity toxic sludge with the same anti-trans (not performative) policies.
Conservative Weimarian politics by our parasitic "EHC" who have turned what was a real country with real prople into an ugly economic zone populated by cattles that cant create culture anymore.

By the way the UK is really the proof that eugenicists and Richard Banania EHC types are full of hot hair. Socially progressive elitist types, too.
"EHC" have ruled this country alone for a 100 years and turned everything to shit no matter what worldview you can have.
Who is this "country" for by that point? It look like it is being mutated to accomodate cosmopolitan 65yo radfem Guardian columnists alone. Even Hitler 2 would be a historical progress to wathever we are doing now.

>>2393735
I hope so but the left is too effeminate, unambitious and demoralized to do anything that matter. Which is why fAsIcSm or anything similar isnt in fact coming back. There is no strong forward thiking left to crush, thete isnt even violent leftist terrorism, kaput.

>>2393677
Beautliful situation.

What's wrong with scots? Why are they projected to vote libdems? Burger here btw.

>>2394637
SNP is collapsing, they lost the referendum and now have no real reason to exist

>>2393677
Reform will split into two parties before the next election or just after it after doing entryism via the poorly vetted new MPs. There is a second more radical faction led by Rupert Lowe that has been quietly building up support and infrastructure that hasn't broke cover yet.
Then we can have the absolute banter timeline of five parties on ~16% in a two party system.

>>2394731
So I guess the Scots have finally been totally cucked by the English? Is this what William Wallace would've wanted?

>>2394637
>>2394731
>>2394835
The problem with Scottish and to some extent Welsh nationalism is that it's incredibly weak civnat regionalism basically used to claw devolution out from Westminster or in Scotland's case get in on EU bennies. The SNP have no way to force a referendum and if you're an actual nationalist you'll see the absolute state of ROI and EU and decide the English nationalist revolt is probably a safer bet.
And if you're not there for the nationalism you could say the SNP are more progressive than the alternatives, but Sturgeon is gone now so it's basically just Neo-Blairites who want to drive the country off a cliff by cutting themselves off from the UK and going through a grueling intermediate period of trying to join the EU.
Like, who actually likes larping this much just to swap Westminster for Brussels? Not exactly the Irish civil rights movement, is it?

>>2393677
election is like 4 years away. why are you panicking?

>>2394874
Panicans except British.

>>2394904
Trust the Planican
Of course I trust the plan, I can

>>2394637
They aren't. A big chunk of the map is libdem because the Highlands are massive but empty (you may recall "highland" appears in "highland clearances") and there's a long tradition of the liberals doing well there.

>>2394731
They aren't collapsing because they have no reason to exist, they're collapsing because Sturgeon was a terrible party leader who destroyed all the institutions (like party democracy and consensual cabinet government) that made the party popular and competent. She was a Blairite trying to build an international profile, an incompetent Jacinda Ardern wannabe minus any real policy wins.

Losing the referendum made the SNP more popular (see 2015-21). It's only when a handful of domestic policies went wrong, the UK establishment succeeded on creating a minor TERF wing of the party (who openly say they care more anti-trans policy than about independence) and the UK government started maliciously vetoing Scottish legislation that it all came crashing down.

>>2394853
1. Scotland and England are separate nations. Only a yank brained retard would imagine it's better to go with Reform mongs than to just leave and be like Ireland, a much better country than Britain. (Three words: foreign policy, Palestine)
2. Sturgeon was the neo-blairite, the problem is the party remains in her factional allies hands, and that all the alternative leaders are dire. (Swinney: lost badly in 2003. Forbes: religious crank who was hand picked to be Sturgeon's finance minister but is somehow seen as anti-sturgeon, ash Regan: quit the party and is so dumb she thought someone saying a law risked "pushing prostituon underground" meant it would literally be pushed into underground brothels ("how would the punters get to them?")
3. The EU controls little of importance and can be left at will, the UK controls everything (they vetoed a fucking bottle recycling scheme!) and cannot be left at will. Only an Anglo could be brainwashed enough to imagine these are comparable states of affairs.
(Though frankly, direct rule from Brussels would still be better than anything Britain's inbred ruling class of newspaper nonces and paedo pardoning PMs could turn out.)

Scexit
Wexit
Nirexit

>>2395261
>a much better country than Britain. (Three words: foreign policy, Palestine)
None of those three words put bread on the table, liberal.

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>>2395261
>1. Scotland and England are separate nations. Only a yank brained retard would imagine it's better to go with Reform mongs than to just leave and be like Ireland, a much better country than Britain. (Three words: foreign policy, Palestine)
A very small number of people will go through a decade of collapsing living standards while waiting for the sclerotic EU to let them in all so they can do a ritual of not sending their non existent arms to Israel while the RAF/NATO guards their practically demilitarised nation due to its proximity to England. The actual reason is that they want to copy Ireland's model of EU + tax haven. They're not going to let you do some kind of based Scottish Asiatic developmentalism, the EU won't allow it and it will hold up Scottish entry if used as a stop gap.
>2. Sturgeon was the neo-blairite, the problem is the party remains in her factional allies hands, and that all the alternative leaders are dire.
I threw the Neo on there because they're basically Starmerites doing a socially conservative tribute act to their Blair (in this case, Sturgeon)
>3. The EU controls little of importance and can be left at will, the UK controls everything (they vetoed a fucking bottle recycling scheme!)
Then push for devomax instead of the referendum meme. You'll be yet another neoliberal tax haven which pumps its numbers with mass immigration and have insane house prices/ever shrinking homes, like the other two clowns in the region, except you'll lose the wedge that gets sent up there and have to put up with the EU processing you joining with all the haste of a Whitehall civil servant. By the time you're growing again you'll be spending the whole time catching up to where you would be.
Like what are you going to do if Westminster doesn't give you free movement of goods or people? What are you going to do if they do do that, and everyone goes down to England because your economy is shidding and farding?
Agreed they are dickheads and should stop vetoing everything, but basically the only thing they know how to do with power is to abuse it, they're legalist authoritarians. They're almost universally despised in England proper at this point for this reason. Keep this in mind when you're relying on them to keep you on life support while you join the EU.
>>2395271
Many exciting opportunities for neoliberal tax havens here (EU membership pending)

>>2393735
no chance
an authentic leftist party will never manage to get more than 10% of the votes in Europe nowadays
Most probably they will hover around 4-8%

>>2395277
Why do you think its alright to dictate what nations stay or leave in the extremely reactionary empire of the UKKK? It is just English chauvinism.

nigel will just be a disappointment to right wingers like trump is if he gets in power.
Tories blew it by being in power too long and accelerating immigration after brexit.
Labour are of course blairite shit.

>>2395274
That Ireland's living standards are higher than the UK goes without saying. Brennans > Hovis.
(and not because Ireland is paradise, because the UK is actively de-developing.)

>>2395277
The UK is already going through a decade of collapsing living standards. This bollocks might've worked in 2014, it doesn't wash today.
Britain folded on the NI protocol and it'd ultimately fudge and fold if Scotland left, although it would certainly do the abusive husband act again in a second referendum. (A reason, frankly, to vote to leave)

The long-term of the UK trajectory bends endlessly towards hell. The choice before Scotland, Wales, and perhaps even England is clear: Leave like Ireland, or sink.

>>2393677
"With Corbyn"?

>>2395283
pedantic correction: 17 years, more like 2 decades of stagnant-to-collapsing living standards, depending on how much of a middle class wanker one is.

>>2394757
SNP Prime minister scenario, lmao

>>2395281
Westminster has little reason to invite a third country onto the isles that they'll have to defend for free while they larp as anti-imperialists despite their entire economy relying on the flow of foreign money from tax dodging international corporations. Especially one with a Ukraine-tier victim complex.
It would just be a knock off cringe version of Ireland but the biggest economic basketcase of the three. They'd be whingeing about Winston Churchill doing the Highlandomor within a decade.
>>2395283
>The choice before Scotland, Wales, and perhaps even England is clear: Leave like Ireland, or sink.
>even England
Finally a fellow appreciator of the "England pulling a Turkey" gambit

>>2395261
>1. Scotland and England are separate nations. Only a yank brained retard would imagine it's better to go with Reform mongs than to just leave and be like Ireland, a much better country than Britain. (Three words: foreign policy, Palestine)
cringe. nationalism is a spooke

>>2395854
might be a spook but it's accurate
>>2395820
cry about it

Acceleration?

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>>2395863
I don't have to cry about anything you're the one trapped in the lunatic asylum with me 🫵😂

>>2395854
Nationalism is a spook, but there is a hierarchy of spooks. In Europe, nationalism is less of a spook than racism, particularly the banal Celtic nationalisms that primarily pursue "being a normal country", not "being some imaginary ethnically pure homeland."
Scotland and England are "real" nations, real in the sense that they really do have a sense of national identity. "British" on the other hand, is a former national identity which has been on the wane since the 1980s, when Britain destroyed its single national identity. (many English think of English and British interchangeably, but that's because they live in the largest single country. They have no need to think of the other nations, which itself reflects the fact the multi-national union is a joke.)

I must be concrete here: If you live in Scotland but you work for British steel, get your coal from British Coal and commute using British Rail, heat your house with British Gas and fuel your car with British Petroleum then it is quite natural you might imagine you live in a country called "Britain", and you may closely identify with that country. When Steel and Coal disappear (at the whim of perhaps the embodiment of every negative English stereotype), the railways become "Scotrail", your gas provider becomes Scottish and Southern energy, and your car is fueled by Shell, it is quite natural that you might conclude that "Britain" is a nonsense and that you are Scottish. What real material things do you see in your day-to-day life that reinforce a sense of Britishness? This isn't blood and soil nonsense, it's just concrete economic phenomena.

Then there's a whole political dimension in the background: Scottish Labour were obliterated by Scottish Nationalism, but Scottish Labour spent the 1980s stoking Scottish Nationalism for their own electoral ends. (playing up that Scotland didn't want Thatcher, that Scotland had neoliberalism imposed on it by voters elsewhere) Then Scottish Labour, who really really played up how much Scotland was distinct, and how much Scotland wanted lukewarm social democracy, got elected and immediately started doing neoliberalism minus imagination. Scottish Labour had always viewed Scotland merely as a way to get a career in the UK parliament, not really taking it seriously. That backfired spectacularly and lead to the rise of the SNP. (who ironically, under Sturgeon, wound up in much the same place.)

Read David Edgerton's "The rise and fall of the British Nation" (despite the title, it's not a right-wing screed about brown people. it's an economic history explaining how Britain was just one of many nations that emerged from the collapse of the British Empire, going through a range of postwar myths, and then explaining how after a fairly successful nationbuilding project, Britain threw it all away in the 1980s.)

i don't mind Kier Starmer, the problem is that he's expected to fix like 30 years of major fuck ups in 1 term, from both labor and the conservatives
The Pakistani rape gang stuff has just completely demolished the working classes faith in both of the major partys and multiculturalism

>>2402999
keir starmer also got jimmy saville off, so its a standard pedocratic conspiracy, like we see with drumpf and epstein in the US.

>Manny and Liverpool Refuk
OP has lost the plot

Reform are popular everywhere the Tories used to be and everywhere there were high vote %s for leaving the EU. They're never going to win in places the Tories never could nor in places where remain vote was high.

>>2402999
>i don't mind Kier Starmer
You should.
>the problem is that he's expected to fix like 30 years of major fuck ups in 1 term
You shouldn't expect anything coming out of the modern Labour party.

>>2403005
i live in liverpool and no one is talking about reform
we are a left-wing city

>>2402999
Keir Starmer's job is to perpetuate the fuckups, not to fix them. He does not have a single solution to any of the problems facing Britain today.
The closest things he offers are solution-looking non solutions designed to distract from the real issues, like renationalising railway operations but leaving the actual trains themselves - mostly built by british rail in the 1980s - in the hands of parasite landlords who bought them for a fraction of their value in the 1990s and collected rent on them ever since.

>>2403007
Hey now, that's not fair. Money and members are coming out of the modern Labour party at record speed.

>>2403014
>Hey now, that's not fair. Money and members are coming out of the modern Labour party at record speed.
I hope Labour go utterly broke. Seriously, Labour pushing out their former leader, someone who has a genuine following, and got millions of votes in a general election is starting to potentially become their undoing.

I think there's a good chance Starmer implements PR before the term is up.

>labour down from 411 seats to 45
am I reading this correctly?


I was told doing doing populist transphobia with based gay uyghur characteristics was the recipe for the thousand years SSR? Why would Labour lose that makes no sense.

>OMFG HITLER 1 WON OVER HITLER 2 IT’S OVER AND IT’S YOUR FAULT!!
yep you can tell it’s the guys who invented the united snakkkes, the similarity is uncanny

>>2394607
>Who is this "country" for by that point?
Trashfuture podcast always talking about how "we found the one guy that our economy is focused on providing for! Its this guy!"

Bourgeois democracy: Everyone votes tory → everyone votes labour → everyone votes reform. What a fucking joke.


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