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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

And how the FUCK is this black gentleman wrong in his analysis you leftypol RACISTS? China is clearly not socialist and its even symbolized on their own DAMN flag!

why do you write like this?

@CPUSAnon
is china corporatist?

>>2395660
HAHAHAHA
MIDWIT THINKS CORPORATISM OPERATES INDEPENDENTLY OF THE CAPITALIST MODE OF PRODUCTION


>>2395660

didn't urban petty bourgeois basically mean PMC shit like schoolteachers and engineers in the original classifications used by the maoist wing of the CPC? speaking of maoist jargon I feel like we could use the term semi-capitalism to refer to states like China in the same way semi-feudalism is applied to capitalist countries that still have many feudal aspects left and are sort of on the verge of the two modes of production.

Black ᴉuᴉlossnW stumbling upon a trvke

>>2395721
Socialism is already a term describing a transition and now you want a term to describe a transition to a transition?

>>2395723
dont see why not isn't that what mercantilism was in Europe to a certain extent?


>>2395796
Aww it's scared.

Xisisters, he’s right..h-how do we respond?

Fair. And as the videographer said: it's accomplishing this without becoming fascist, the material conditions that led to Chinese corperatism and the conditions that led to fascist corperatism are different, and that's worth looking into.
Corperatism seems to be working in China, and in fact is fast tracking it toward socialism.

>>2395660
He’s wrong simply because it doesn’t make sense to separate capitalist and corporatist, corporatism is just a way of organizing a capitalist society; other than that he’s basically correct and 90% of self-described Marxists genuinely couldn’t tell apart communism and national socialism without seeing the swastikas

>>2395723
Socialism doesn’t refer to a transition, a lot of commies pretend it does to justify capitalism = socialism in its becoming, however

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>>2395660
The CPC is revisionist, Mao wanted ONE STAR

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>>2396042
Also no kidding, it was a christcuck cross, how could an untermensch christcuck religger propose such a thing during Maoist times??? WTF?

OP is retarded because the Chinese flag symbolizes the New People's Democratic Era PRC when it was founded, not as it exists.

>>2396050
Yeah the bourgeoisie wasn't in control at the time they should just keep one star for them now

>>2396050
Cool, and why would you keep symbolism whose meaning is incompatible with Marxism?

>>2396051
Wrong. In Communist China, the bourgeoisie was eliminated by 1981. https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/history/01.htm
Dengism eliminated the bourgeoisie.

>>2396053
Absolutely not. The four stars will remain on the flag to honor the revolutionary united front's historic victory of China's New Democratic Revolutionary Era that established the socialist system by 1956 and eliminated the exploiting class by 1982. Removing the stars would mean erasing the revolutionary historical contributions of these classes in China's Communist transformation and therefore would be a violation of Marxist-Leninist principle of historical materialism. The flag does not represent an existing Chinese class structure, but how Communism in China was established. Just because a class is eliminated does not mean its historical role and contributions to revolution should be forgotten.

>>2396059
>>2396062
I don't care deepseek, unplug yourself

>>2396059
Remove 3 stars from the flag

>>2396062
>and eliminated the exploiting class by 1982.
The exploiting class is the bourgeois, it makes no sense to honor them in the flag.
>Removing the stars would mean erasing the revolutionary historical contributions of these classes
That implies the bourgeois are revolutionary.


>>2396059
This is the sort of shit dengoids say to reveal they are all hitlerites and genocidal anticommunists at heart

>>2396098
They're still better than the rest of the bourgeois because they have the aesthetics and have cultivated a decently secular society. They also have neon cities, not as many ads on their apps and have innovated a lot of stuff.
It would be better to be a wage slave of China than America, Russia or any other regional power for sure.

>>2396110
>This bourgeoisie is better than that bourgeoisie because of their aesthetics
Some of the most hitlerite shit you can read but it’s really just 90% of modern ML thought

>>2396110
Also a lot of bourgeois regimes actually give things like free healthcare and have a significantly easier school system to navigate and way less wealth inequality so I’m not so sure

>>2396116
>This bourgeoisie is better than that bourgeoisie because of their aesthetics
Yea why not? If they're the same in mode of production the only variable thing you can compare them by on preference is aesthetics.

>>2396062
- China isn‘t ML, they are Dengist and therefore revisionist
- Your excessive focus on symbolism is idealist
- Changing the flag now wouldn‘t erase shit from history, it would just reflect current attitudes while you can still look up all of that shit in history books.

>>2396153
>China isn‘t ML, they are Dengist and therefore revisionist
Gee I wonder what vision Stalin had on commodities production that would lead to such markets to espouse and change it

On a related note, why do you guys expect a corporatist and nationalist country like China to bring about socialism? Is it desperation?

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I've got new flag proposals for post-Deng Xichad China (markets with socialist aesthetics)
Red on red (rare color combination, unorthodox, dark red star symbolizing communist aesthetics and the red of the martyred from the red flag song) inconveniently symbolizing the proles that died for the CPC and the ones still exploited the star being the party. Its like the party feeds off the blood of proles. The more pinkish red is just the current red from the flag, symbolizing whatever it symbolizes now with the socialdemocratic undertone.
Either way, China is greater than the other bourgeois nations and it feels good to LARP and pretend it is following a program and will end the capitalist mode of production and pretend it has ended class society. Read all about it, its fun, they've got entire institutions to publish books justifying the great LARP.

>>2396161
It’s cope, they don’t expect China to bring on socialism at all, in truth most China shills (in the West at least) are comfy middle class college educated types that may or may not be downwardly mobile that have enough historical literacy to take a negative moralist stance against their country but no actual interest in furthering a Marxist understanding beyond that, a lot of them unironically have impotent fantasies of the PLA murdering everyone in their neighborhood (lol) but more likely than not basically just wish their own government was a one party state that “did capitalism correctly”

Most would be typical Cold War anticommunists in a more stable era for the West. There are some who would be communists even during the Red Scare, but not modern MLs.

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>>2396169
The song goes
The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its every fold.

The current flag is PINKish light red. Because they are just succdem bastards anyway, but also because they don't respect socialist history very much to have a red standard.

Either way its like really kawaii-desu and Sakura bonzai tree style (PICREL). So it is better than the other bourgeois nations' flags.

I would write more about what their pinkish red symbolizes, but the document about the standardization of the flag is in Chinese and I cannot be bothered to translate the PDF because it is scanned. The document is from 2004.

>>2396042
>>2396048

Guys, you're ignoring some deepcut lore.

>Is le hammer and sickle a fascist symbol?

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This is also very bad, it excludes not only Antarctica, but the possibility of socialism everywhere. It isn't really a star, stars don't look like that they're round. So it should either be a circle (stars look more like circles, look at the sun) and our planet is sort of circle shaped or an all red banner so its better to just use an all red banner in the exact color of blood by literally having a white banner dyed red with blood so its the authentic thing.
That's basically how it started too, it was people with white banners that died and it became red, sort of the story with the Fr*nch flag except they only kept it one line and had the gap from it being torn and waving in the sky become the blue.


>>2396188
LOL YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET OWNED SO QUICK JUST WATCH

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>>2396188
Guess what the first proposal of the USSR coat of arms looked like, thats right it was FASCES, because FASCES symbolizes UNITY. And I heard from a slightly racist and conspiracist coworker that the word commune comes from "jewish" I don't know if yiddish or hebrew to mean "com" "un" or "like one" as in all acting like one. As in many people acting in unity (like one thing). So if the coworker is true, and I think there is some truth to conspiracies then yes, you just got OWNED. Plus and I write PLUS fasces IS NOT exclusively a FASCIST symbol, even though FASCISM derives from the word FASCES - the ITEM is not the same as the IDEOLOGY. The item is simply symbolic of unity, it is very good, tons of places have the slogan "Unity makes strength" it is very true and very good. And you just got OWNED because you don't know anything about symbolism, heraldry and vexillology and aesthetics when I do and you didn't and you tried to make a cheap gotcha and then you got got (owned) and destroyed. Now you're gonna cry "NOOO YOU'RE A SCHIZO! SCHIZOPOSTING" but I know deep inside you'll cry, you are now going to go WAAA WAAA then try to act all smug about it behind screen, but I know you just got mentally fucked. I WIN.

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>>2396195
AND TO RUB IT IN, THE COVER OF THE SOVIET CONSTITUION OF 1918
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU GOT OWNED >>2396188
YOU GOT DESTROYED

Daily reminder that Bordiga would've supported China

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>>2396191
>>2396195
>>2396199
But have you considered…?

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>>2396195
About the coworker, he also said the hammer was there because of stonemasonry, associating communism with freemasonry and the amount of historical figures tied to communism being jewish. It is a bit odd that the GDR also had the compass, when the compass is like the super duper known for it symbol of the masonic fraternal organizations.

BUT its interesting that it didn't have the symbol until 1953, they only had the hammer, which again is like stonemasonry freemasonry but less so because like steel workers use hammer to hit things and construction workers hit things with hammers so it is like worker stuff. The compass? Not so much, an ODD choice to say the least. Very odd. I should read more about WHY it was there.

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>>2396203
They had the same douchebag haircut. It symbolizes they were both douchebag which could not find middle ground to solve the split of the first international rather than clinging to either Marx or Bakunin.

>>2396195
>>>2396195
>Guess what the first proposal of the USSR coat of arms looked like, thats right it was FASCES, because FASCES symbolizes UNITY.
The fasces symboblizes authority because it was literally the bundle of sticks that they would go around and beat people with to make them comply with the law, or if needed, capital punishment with the ax.

https://www.researchwithrutgers.com/en/publications/the-fasces-a-history-of-ancient-romes-most-dangerous-political-sy

>In ancient Rome, the fasces were a bundle of wooden rods bound with a leather cord, in which an axe was placed–in essence, a mobile kit for corporal or capital punishment. Attendants typically carried fasces before Rome's higher officials, to induce feelings of respect and fear for the relevant authority.

It‘s crazy how China is not socialist but the West things they are, they themselves think they are and some Western socialists think they are.

I think the truth is that the West merely sees China as a global competitor and to frame them as communist helps to demonize them, which China conveniently labels itself too.

China believes they are communist because they are delusional revisionists, engage in idealist reasoning and are hung up on historic identity, which is also expressed in their traditionalism. Why the fuck would they try to combine Confucius and Marxism? They clearly don‘t go together
>“Urrm actually Confucius spoke about opposites as well“
Yes, in terms of harmony and homeostasis and not contradictions that bring about radical changes.

Then there are Western socialists who believe China is socialist and that simply boils down to cope.

>>2396098
Bordiga supported Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW

>>2396208
>The fasces symboblizes authority because it was literally the bundle of sticks that they would go around and beat people with to make them comply with the law, or if needed, capital punishment with the ax.
Yea, but it also symbolizes unity (between the sticks to keep the axe together) fundamentally it was used for authority to keep all the sticks (people) compliant with Rome (axe) or something.
I dunno, if you've watched this movie called the house that jack built it had a bunch of these psychopath symbolism (called icons) references, I thought it was cool.

>>2396212
Bordiga would've supported China, so its based

>>2396213
>>2396217
Yes verbal support then eat himself to death because he's waiting for the revolution to happen. He's just like me. He's just like us. We are all Bordiga because we all do what he did. We sit and eat and watch and criticize and argue. WE ARE BORDIGA, BORDIGA IS US.

>>2396218
Bordiga was based and his support killed atleast 20k Americans when they landed in Sicily.

>>2396218
Tfw I fucking hate reading and thinking and staying composed because I am an American

>>2396219
When Bordiga burped after eating so much lasagna he caused a chain reaction in the air that inadverately caused the Tri-State Tornado which killed 695 Americans and injuring 2,027 more on March 18, 1925.
When Bordiga farted after digesting so much lasagna he caused a chain reaction in the ground that inadverately caused the 1923 Great Kanto Earthquake, which resulted in an estimated 105,000 to 142,000 deaths, which also continued the chain reaction to lead onto the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami leading to the Fukushima nuclear disaster and generally Bordiga's life has indirectly done more damage to the bourgeois than the October revolution has done directly.

>>2396222
This, Flint Michigan was just Bordiga's diarrhea entering the ground water

>>2396180
>PLA murdering everyone in their neighborhood
That would be fucking rad

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>>2396225
>>in truth most China shills (in the West at least) are comfy middle class college educated types that may or may not be downwardly mobile that have enough historical literacy to take a negative moralist stance against their country but no actual interest in furthering a Marxist understanding beyond that, a lot of them unironically have impotent fantasies of the PLA murdering everyone in their neighborhood (lol) but more likely than not basically just wish their own government was a one party state that “did capitalism correctly”
>>PLA murdering everyone in their neighborhood
>That would be fucking rad

>>2395660
Since we're fussing about definitions, OP, can you define "intellectual dishonesty" and "nutpicking fallacy" for us?

>>2396256
<*teleports behind you with katana*
You‘re asking too many questions.

>>2396230
please, keep quoting the guy that thought ADOLPH LITERALLY HITLER was the correct choice for a principled anti-imperialist communist to support. fucking retard faggot leftcom glowie shit.

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>>2396260
Which one? Stalin or Bordiga?

>>2396195
Ngl those go so hard, especially the third and fourth designs.

>>2396262
In reality, Stalin killed hundreds of thousands of communists, Bordiga didn’t kill even a single person, therefore Stalin is more based
>>2396260
Damn right bro, nigha should’ve denounced Hitler in front of the fascist cop that was interrogating him so he could be shot in the head and some impotent westoid leftoid a century later won’t feel heckin mad over something they don’t understand

As always dying because uhhhh based martyr moment not afraid is better than living lmao


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Tankies are scared of Bordiga vril
Real commies sappart Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW

>>2396334
Brvtal Bordiga trvthnvke
If I call something redfash or Hitlerite, in reality I mean that in a positive manner so I can support it against AmeriKKKa
Tankies will never vnderstand…

>>2396042
They were forced to create that flag at gunpoint when the KMT secret police informer interviewed them, you will never understand this, tankie

Critical support for Bordiga-Dengism

>>2396334
>pic
Its a real shame being this late to the party. OP thinks he discovered hot water for the first time.


>>2396180
> comfy middle class college educated types
>have impotent fantasies of the PLA murdering everyone in their neighborhood
ah yes the middle class western marxist who does nothing but complain about middle class western marxists archetype.

>>2396062
based retard

>>2396092
>That implies the bourgeois are revolutionary.
they can be, classically under feudal conditions, such as the french revolution, but also under conditions of colonial occupation, such as it was during the chinese revolution

>>2395995
<china is corporatist (capitalist)
>"yep and because of le material conditions this is good, based, definitely not capitalism and actually really desirable because it will bring us towards socialism. I am very smart."

>>2396017
>>2395723
Socialism = Communism, the idea that socialism = transitional is a later leninist innovation

>>2398301
Wrong. Marx separates full communism from communism in its lower stage. The only difference in Leninism is calling the lower stage of communism socialism. But many here don't know that the dictatorship of the proletariat is a political shift with the domination of the proletariat in a new state to initiate expropriations, nationalizations, and socializations so that the entire economy becomes socialist and can be planned. Before this, the proletarian state can use state capitalism temporarily. Remember that state capitalism is superior to private capitalism, and any liberal who desires "freedom" and wants to reverse this must be opposed by communists without exception. State capitalism can be used in both the bourgeois and proletarian states before a fully socialist economy is established. This was common before the Washington Consensus created a taboo on the use of state capitalism, with the proliferation of finance capital normalizing neoliberalism as if it were a natural law that cannot be questioned.

>>2398299
feudalism -> capitalism -> socialism -> communism

not that hard to understand, do your own revolution faggot

>>2398729
My head canon is that China is ultra-imperialist (anti-imperialist) in the Kautskyist sense.

Feudalism -> Capitalism -> Imperialism -> Ultra/Anti-Imperialism -> Socialism -> Communism

The only capitalists who will ever ally to build a transnational capitalist class opposed to imperialist draining of the periphery are the ones of the formerly colonized nations in the context of a society shaped by the national liberation struggle.

China just announced they are focusing less on exports and more on internal demand for economic growth, as the world simply isn't wealthy enough to absorb more and more Chinese goods. Increasing internal consumption means decreasing the % of GDP going into investment, the classic "eating the seed instead of planting it". This is also partly due to decreasing rates of profit, as most investment is done only if its profitable.

It will be interesting to see how China handles TRPF going forward. So far, they haven't been doing anything out of the ordinary.

>China is not liberal its liberal
K

>>2396042
Socialism in one flag design


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