>be AmeriKKKan far-right
>never shut up about how white culture built the West
>calls the Constitution and federal institutions make no sense
>actively tries to destroy the things that made the US and Europe superpowers
>wtf did they mean by this
>>2397195>most of the American far right is made up of people who were ethnics historically speaking (like Poles, Italians, the Irish, etc)Catherine Liu talked about this on This is Revolution Podcast (this ep has bad audio tragically) with her recent articles on the two Scarface movies. Displaced immigrants have capitalist realism that drives them to crazy excesses to be gangsters who cuck their boss, where the WASP settler Puritan culture of moderation and stoic liberalism is being cucked by wage slavery:
<Gangster Capitalism: Why Do We Love Scarface? ft. Catherine Liu>[8:20] "shout out to Martha Nakamson's book called Dying to Belong, gangster movies from Hollywood to Hong Kong. And what she talks about is the two Tonies are dying to belong to America. is not going to belong to the underworld. The underworld is their path to becoming American. They don't know what being American is except through the most material um superficial forms, right?>So there's this drive to make money and this drive to make money has no end like and it's the fastest way to make money. And this is why I was saying like with oh with Nakamson's um thesis is so great because these are people so lost with regard to modernity. they've been plucked out of their traditional worlds…come from this immigrant family tenement um living in New York City and what she writes about which is so great is that they are literally confused about who they are about how to be American about what success should look like. So she says they only see the accutrants of success like they literally lust after clothes. Yeah. And I think that's so fascinating. And then they lust after the women of their bosses, right? And she says there's some like total disjunction between their selves, their inner selves which have no time to develop and this like outer appearance that becomes more and more like um glamorous as time goes on>And so Nakamson says like in the 1920s and 30s when there was all these immigrants coming from southern Europe, right, Italy, um, and Eastern Europe, they're still coming. The Daughters of the American Revolution put out all these pamphlets and they distribute them through the immigrant communities. This is very pertinent to us right now. All the Daughters of the American Revolution claim to be descended from the original pilgrims, right? So they're like these must be ladies and the pamphlets to front page is be American and she and it's like is it so easy to just turn yourself from an Italian immigrant from sis from Sicily to into an American and she says this dilemma about how superficial it is that you could just transform yourself like this is something that each of the gangster protagonists and both Scarfaces have is like how do I be American like I've I've arrived here who was going to accept me. And the Americans are telling me like, "You are not American. So, how do I get to the level of Americanness? I'm going to commit crimes. I'm going to, you know, make money as fast as possible, hustle my ass, do what is unthinkable." >And Tony, both Tony's end up with like huge wads of cash after they've done their first crime, right? But that substance, it just is not enough, right? They're still lusting after like the next thing. I need the I need the boss's wife. I need the beautiful house. Does it feel like both of them though understand capitalism as the ability to in watching both films, both of them see these hits as just a way to get at the table so they can kill the next guy. For me, I I don't know if you see it the same way. I see both Tonies as looking at these men as weak and that's why they can lust after those. It's a test. And again, I know we we come from similar backgrounds, not the same, but there's there certain types of uh individuals when they're that if they're that violent, right? This is like you said, this is a cartoonish level of violent kill. They are going to look at the person that hate them. Are you a punk or not? And that's how those both those Tonies read that guy in the room because that's all you have. I'm going to kick your ass and take your [ __ ]>Well, so this is um what we're told is hustle culture in the Horicio Algar story. Like you go from zero, you go from rags to riches and they're both like parodic versions of this ascent, right? They have nothing. They literally have We see in 1983 how Alpuchccino Tony has zero, right? He's literally in a refugee camp. Well, he starts out without even being dishwasher. He's in refugee camp living under a freeway in Miami, right? and the other Tony we, you know, he we see his home and where his um immigrant mother is from. And so what you have to be is enterprising and always ambitious. This is a more explicit sort of taking the place of the person above you that happens all the time in corporate America. All my girlfriends or friends who live in work in corporate America say once you've ascended to a certain level, they're like 50 people after your job. So I don't even think that the Tony's are actually dealing they don't think of it as capitalism. They just think of it as reality. Like this is their reality. This is they could either be a dishwasher and work for drug, you know, for um low wages. Um the other tone would like he would work for like in a grocery store, an Italian restaurant or something. Or you can be really enterprising and you can be part of the grind and you can hustle your ass. You can kill your boss and get his girlfriend. And but the whole thing is about wage labor like they're contra they're recruited. They get a job. They do their job really well. you do your job really well and you think what's the next step and there's this hunger to belong. >This is what Nakamson says is that they want to belong to America and all they see in America is the is the commodities that you can wear the commodities that you can wear on your arm that soon you can buy in your house and everything is about making more money. So you get to one level and you want more and more and more. And you know what in official like overworld culture that's just called being ambitious. That's just being having the mindset of the grindset. You know whatever these Andrew Tate people are saying this is about being like a a successful man for people who are so disoriented by displacement. Both Tony's are deeply displaced people. They're trying to find their place in the world and the advertising the signs outside say the world belongs to you. This is what advertising keeps telling them, right? And they're and they misread that sign or they're so called out by that side to say, I need to take the world. I want to seize the world. In the meantime, like the daughters of the American Revolution, the Puritans in America are like, don't eat too many fruits and vegetables. You have you eat too much garlic. your, you know, you have to be proper and measured and be Warren Buffettes, you know, rule with $500 billion dollars, but drive your old 1972 Dodge. Like that whole waspy code, they can't even read. And when you think about it, Hollywood is made up of nothing but immigrants, especially in the 20s and 30s. So, they are, you know, they're allegorically like Lewis Meyer, Samuel Goldman. These guys are came from the streets of the Lower East Side and they are [ __ ] hustlers, man. And they built an empire and the world belonged to them. For a long time, the studios came up and these working-class Jewish men, tough guys, created a universe where the gangster film is kind of the jewel and the crown" >>2397172I don’t know what was up with him.
He kept covering his face and his hands were shaking.
>>2397860He looks like the alien from the beginning of Men In Black.
Cannot take any of these inbred cunts serious. jfc. americans.
>>2397868And this speedy little mexican clearly needs to cut down on the uppers.
Is very clearly an (meth?)amphetamine abuser. He's tweaking. Cannot sit still. cannot listen and keeps interupting to talk like you're average speed/coke abuser.
Fucking joke.
>>2398273Great now we get to see the 'leftist' version of the 'you wouldn't like me when i'm angry' incel weirdo.
WTF is even the point in any of this?
>>2398390The rightoids have won, they don't need to give a fuck anymore
>normies are madThey won't do shit
>>2398560Lmao i thought it was the conservatives who would fight for your right to sack someone no matter their beliefs?
Idiot burgers. Eat rocks.
>>2398314Exactly, this entire thing is trying to get the guy "surrounded" to come out sounding like the reasonable one.
Medhi said he was lied to about this, he thought he'd be getting a room of milquetoast Trumpers, instead he got borderline fascists because it would be damn hard for him to come off as deranged next to those guys. I seem to remember this same group making a version of this plot with some maga influencer versus a bunch of "feminists", and based on the thumbnail alone I know exactly how it went.
>>2398390Yeah, it's insane how in less than 10 years, Trump went from one of the farthest right voices of the GOP to one of its more moderate ones, when, if anything, he shifted further to the right over time.
On another note though: social media comments (at least on Twitter/YouTube) don't seem to actively reflect the reality of what most people are thinking. Is there any place left where you can see that?
>>2398692Poltards cant make coherent arguments against immigration either
The plank of white nativist anti immigration sentiment is romantic sentimentality. I.e "our people", not a question of data, because literally every data points to immigrants being the least likely to commit crimes and participate in labour organizing due to fear of deportation. This is why ppl like Hanania is becoming more and more libtard on the immigration issue
>>2399105Yeah even the radlibs are doing the same literally the only place saying anything other than "They did so good and are based!" is radlibs going "Oh my God we need to kill all fascists now!" in Jubilee comments and twitter circles.
I think this also comes from the debate barely being a debate at all, the Christnats are pussies and could have hammered down arguments more if they just went full Nazi.
On the other hand Mehdi could have destroyed more of their arguments if he had just chosen to debate them, his pulling back from a direct debate on many of their points made them not look as bad.
The entire debate was
>What if 1 billion uyghurs came to America and passed pro 'P laws?<What the fuck? That sounds like some deranged fascist argument that is impossible.>Well why not? It's not impossible either it's happening right now over the span of 1 million years, when West Africas tectonic plate breaks again we will have the biggest migrant crisis ever in like 3001 or something.<No this is a fascist argument and I will not engage even though it's so retarded I could dismantle it, I just won't! Sorry.>Ok but you agree making 'P legal is bad doe?<Yeah sure. >>2399238To give Hasan one defense, he didn't come into this thinking he would be debating people who identify closely with fascists and hadn't prepared for that. He was prepared to debate your general conservative who likes Trump and at least gives the veneer of caring for "muh constitution". You can kind of debate that, because you can discuss if said document means X or Y, or if the US stands for X or Y value, or if your candidate abides by said values. But if the person you're supposed to discuss with just goes up and says "I don't want you here, I find your very existence incompatible with mine, fuck the constitution, my candidate doesn't go far enough, and we should work to ensure a white christian ethnostate by any mean possible", then what discussion is there to have? You're just arguing pure values at that point. For example, if we agree ethnic genocide is a bad thing, then we can debate around that, with maybe either of us talking about how ones policies support/advert ethnic genocide. But if I say "ethnic genocide bad" and you say "actually it's good", then there's really nothing to discuss. We're at a fundamental impass regarding our principles and values.
>>2399320Yeah, even more so, anything you could say would just have them enthusiastically saying yes to it, which isn't much of a debate. And anything you claim that goes against his narrative, like how Franco did kill civilians en masse, he would just deny as having never happened. Its literally the "I'm going to fucking kill you meme", but with fascists. There's nothing to discuss.
>"What you're doing will kill a million puppies, including maybe your own" <"I love killing puppies! Except my own though, so I'll make sure my hypothetical future puppy killer won't kill mine :^)"Bruh, even Hitler had to try and cloak his rhetoric and socially bribe people by implicitly allowing them to "let loose" on Jews. This is someone who is straight up telling you, day one, that he will specifically kill you and everyone that looks like you if he gets power, and that's good. What's your debate response? Ethnic genocide bad? Yeah, they don't believe that though, now what?
>>2397161Lmao imagine thinking those fuckin scum somehow think “outside” capitalist mediations
No they just think legalism should be replaced with the relations of direct force
>>2398465And there you have it. The left-wing political manifesto. “When we lose an election we must assassinate the winners and those who vote for them.”
And fuckheads like this screech about white supremacy. Give me a fucking break. Democrats are the party of violence and hate.
>>2399707Fuck elections
Anyone that would die for the sake of Capital ought to be put to death and make good on their promise
Every last rightoid can eat a bullet, as can every committed lib
Medhi Hasan hopped on an interview about his experiences participating in the Jubilee video
https://youtu.be/fhkzEgWaNSI?si=zPRocC2UiYo1yFE3- Further confirmation from Hasan that he did not know these freaks were fascistic sociopaths
- He figured out that these were not the average Trump supporters during the Pinesap debate, and that the majority were white nationalists and fascists
- Felt sympathy for the Dreamer, this guy
>>2398064, who just seems confused
- Left immediately after the recording, didn't talk to anybody else
- Hasan implies that there were racist remarks from one of the fascist freaks who didn't even debate him that got left out of the recording but didn't confirm directly due to being unable to
>>2399658it's funny that I'm seeing right wingers and chuds on twitter try to say that this is proof that right wing extremism/fascism is more anti establishment than communism since only open fascists get cancelled and fired for expressing their views lol.
Even if it was true that open communists aren't being diriminated against (lol) its like saying
>Since pedophiles are more likely to be fired/persecuted than Epstein truthers, this means that being a pedophile is the REAL danger to the system Unique IPs: 61