>"Socialism is for losers who don't want to work. If you can't make it in a capitalist society it means you're a dumbfuck who has nothing to offer society."
How do you respond to this?
In a different conversation, tell them to move from twitter to something healthier like fedi. Maybe have Deepseek create a pitch for it since twitter people can't tell AI from non-AI.
To convince a pro-capitalist, machismo, "sigma male" Twitter user to migrate to federated, non-algorithmic social media (like Mastodon or other ActivityPub platforms), you’ll need to frame the argument in terms of **self-mastery, independence, and competitive advantage**—values that resonate with their worldview. Here’s a rhetorical outline:
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### **1. Appeal to Anti-Establishment Sentiment**
*"You think you're free, but you're playing by their rules."*
- Highlight how corporate social media (Twitter/X, Facebook, Instagram) **manipulates** users via engagement algorithms to keep them addicted and outraged.
- Frame it as a **rigged system**: "The algorithm doesn’t care about truth or your growth—it just wants your attention to sell ads."
- Compare it to **crony capitalism**: "You hate when governments pick winners, but Big Tech does the same by shadowbanning and boosting content based on their agenda."
### **2. Frame It as a Sigma Male Power Move**
*"Real alphas play the game. Sigmas own the game."*
- **"You’re being farmed for engagement."** A true sigma wouldn’t let a Silicon Valley algorithm dictate what he sees—he’d **curate his own feed**.
- **"Federation is the free market of ideas."** No central authority (like Musk or Zuckerberg) can deplatform you or tweak the rules on a whim.
- **"Non-algorithmic = no echo chamber."** If they pride themselves on independent thinking, point out that algorithmic feeds **reward conformity** (via engagement metrics), while chronological feeds force you to **confront real discourse**.
### **3. Appeal to Masculine Self-Improvement**
*"If you’re not growing, you’re decaying."*
- **"You listen to self-help podcasts to improve, yet you’re stuck in a rage-loop designed to keep you reactive."** A true high-performer **controls his environment**, not the other way around.
- **"Federated platforms force you to engage deliberately."** No dopamine-driven doomscrolling—just **intentional consumption**, like a disciplined warrior.
- **"The best men in history sought challenges, not safe spaces."** If their views are constantly affirmed by an algorithm, how do they know they’re truly right? **Pressure-test your ideas in a neutral arena.**
### **4. Use Capitalism as a Selling Point**
*"Decentralization is the next free-market frontier."*
- **"Why let a monopoly control your voice?"** Federated platforms are like **competing businesses**—if one instance (server) sucks, you can move to another without losing followers.
- **"No more arbitrary censorship."** Just like in a free economy, moderation is **local and opt-in**—not top-down control.
- **"Early adopters gain influence."** Just as Bitcoiners got rich by being early, the next wave of online thought leaders will emerge **outside corporate-controlled platforms.**
### **5. Challenge Their Ego (Subtly)**
*"Most people are too weak to leave Twitter. Are you?"*
- **"The herd stays on algorithmic platforms because they need the validation. Do you?"**
- **"A real leader builds his own audience, doesn’t rent one from a tech oligarch."**
- **"If you’re truly independent, prove it."**
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### **Final Pitch (TL;DR Version)**
*"You say you’re a free-thinking sigma male, but you’re still letting a Silicon Valley algorithm dictate what you see, keeping you outraged and distracted. Federated social media puts **you** in control—no manipulation, no corporate overlords, just raw, unfiltered discourse. If you’re really about self-mastery and free-market principles, it’s time to move where the real game is. Or are you just another cog in the machine?"*
This approach flips the script: instead of framing decentralization as a "soft" or "idealistic" choice, it becomes a **hardcore power move**—aligning with their values of independence, competition, and self-improvement.
>>2397043>How do you respond to this?You believe them and embrace their rules in earnest. Then put them rules to the test.
You hurt them in some way that brings them financial ruin. Most people can't even afford to lose/seriously repair their car once, much less twice or more. A fire in their most vulnerable property. A plague of termites. If they do rentals with airbnb and such, a visit to spread bedbugs surreptitiously and damage their property.
Nobody bats an eye when people go around beach towns eyeing up properties. A cheap toy quadcopter drone with an incendiary device can often cause serious fires, if the owners are not completely paranoid and keep everything locked up and safeguarded.
The rising trend of political apathy, and apathy towards the wellbeing of yourself and others in general, is only a sign of hopelessness as we approach countless dead ends for society while accelerating forward as if the road was clean of blocks and went on forever. People don't care because they can't afford to care, it doesn't pay to care, and because nobody is doing anything to change anything. If we all acted, or stopped acting(working), the fight would be over in a day but that just isn't going to happen, is it? Look at the left, it's nothing but controlled opposition, a game to play that rewards you in the creation and reinforcement of an identity, comforting you and confining you to the logic of the system. If your resistance is only a cure for the way in which capitalism has ripped your identity from you, allowing you to regain what was lost without challenging the system itself, then isn't that just a remedy of the system itself for the betterment of the system?
In a sense, OP's greentext is not wrong, I am a loser, I don't want to work, and that alone is enough to be the answer. The real answer, what this mindset is pointing us towards, is catastrophe unmet by a left-accelerationist hopeful uprising, a catastrophe where human living conditions worsen drastically and the system continues to serve its own non-human ends until the human ceases to exist entirely and the individual is redefined as the body made up of the collective parts of society, ran by the intelligence created by those parts. Earth, Population: 1
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