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When did minimalist aesthetics become associated with the right-wing all of a sudden?

I’m seeing so many social media posts claiming maximalist aesthetics like heavy makeup, brightly-coloured wardrobe, etc. are an “act of defiance” against “clean girl conservatism and MAGA fascism”, emphasizing that minimalism and the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot. This makes no sense to me. Being in my 30s, I remember when minimalism and anti-consumerism were largely associated with the radical left. Think Ad Busters and CrimethInc. Gen X and xennial comrades were extremely anti-consumerist and preached a minimalist lifestyle. At the same time, maximalist aesthetics were largely associated with the right, because they were seen as indicative of mindless consumerism and neoliberalism, e.g. right-wing women were the ones showing off their 200 different eyeshadows, 60 different pairs of shoes, and 27 different handbags. Today, it’s like the paradigms have flipped. Having 200 eyeshadows and 60 different pairs of shoes is now promoted as revelling against “Trump Era conformity”. The beige-ification of everything is entirely blamed on American politics becoming more conservative, despite the fact this was already going on years prior when Biden was in office. Hell, I’m even seeing progressive women complain about a “war on femininity” on the basis that Trump’s America wants to privilege traditional masculinity and wants to keep “girl-like” aesthetics that allegedly emphasize weakness out of public view (ironically, right-wing women have long complained about a “war on femininity” being lead by feminists and queer activists).

So what’s going on? My understanding is that this is another example of how liberals erroneously believe they can offset fascism by propping up neoliberal individualism. It’s liberals who are now pushing mindless consumerism as the antidote to Trump’s system, because they think being an individual who stands out will “defy” a conservative cultural shift. This is so pathetic I don’t even know where to start.

Am I full of shit, or are others seeing the same thing?

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>>2397466
You don’t see this as well?

>>2397464
The future Global USSR will launch a Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution that will see all Religion outlawed, all Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas etc. bulldozed, all Religious clothing banned, and all Priests/Ministers/Rabbis/Monks/Nuns/Imams etc. forced to wear Dunce Caps, attend Struggle Sessions, and get sent to Reeducation Camps, while all Bourgeois Capitalist Roader Revisionists, Liberals, and Fascists will also be forced too wear Dunce Caps, attend Struggle Sessions, and get sent to Reeducation Camps, and all Women will be forced to have extremely short hair (Pixie cut or shorter), and Dresses/Skirts and Makeup/lipstick are banned in order to liberate Women from the chains of Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity. And flatten the Reactionary Gender Binary (Artificial Wombs will accelerate this as well), while everyone will be forced to wear Mao Suits (Capitalist Business suits are Banned as well), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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>>2397464
It's an attitude many people have independent of politics that right wingers are currently trying to use to their advantage. The 'Women hate how little it takes for us to be happy' meme leans into masculinity. There are appeals to stoicism and being tough living with less. Also funko pop consumerism gets associated with soyface retards happily eating the slop.
It's not just you seeing things.

>>2397497
Is stoicism necessarily right-wing though? I thought it predates the left/right political binary.

>>2397497
>There are appeals to stoicism and being tough living with less.
Isn’t this the “Malthusian degrowth” that Maupin and co. frequently whine about?

Under socialism there will be minimalist, maximalist, and whatever else places, because people will explore design as an artform whilst designing places, and this exploration will lead to better standards of design accross the board as people figure out how to make things more readable.

yet another "hey guys did anyone else nootice rightoids doing thing?" thread!

>>2397464
>Isn’t this the “Malthusian degrowth” that Maupin and co. frequently whine about?
"degrowth" means a reduction in the size of the economy or resource usage. "malthusian degrowth" would imply reduction of population. neither of those things are related to a spartan lifestyle or whatever

>>2397464
>It’s liberals who are now pushing mindless consumerism as the antidote to Trump’s system, because they think being an individual who stands out will “defy” a conservative cultural shift.

They've been doing this for a while now. "Buying lots of stuff is leftism, actually" is the natural evolution of the notion that leftism is about radical self-acceptance and being your authentic self or whatever. Punk and queer subcultures pretty much make up the bulk of the American left since American politics is incredibly right-wing.

>>2397464
>the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot.
What's the logic behind this?

Also, can we PLEASE FUCKING STOP using the term 'eugenics' to describe anything we don't like?

>>2397502
Stoicism is very convenient for the right wing. They love telling everyone they shouldn't change the world they should just change their mind about the world. Essentially it's telling slaves they should tolerate being a slave instead of trying to get out of it.

>>2397585
The idea is fascism was directly influenced by futurism so it has an overly clean, mechanical aesthetic. Many of these people don't think beyond the superficial propaganda therefore trashing your house and being messy is anti-fascist.

>>2397608
>so it has an overly clean, mechanical aesthetic.
Interestingly enough, so does communism, or at least the Soviet model.

>>2397556
>Punk and queer subcultures pretty much make up the bulk of the American left since American politics is incredibly right-wing.

Ironically, "queer" doesn't mean "leftist" anymore ever since a wave of LGBTQ people came out as vocal Trump supporters last decade.

>>2397616
For most of the 20th century it was the look of the future. Looking at the Futurism to fascism connection is missing where Futurism got it's ideas which was just ranting about how cool the advancement of technology is. Communists also like technology. Who the fuck want to dirt farm when a tractor can take care of it and you can fly to the moon instead?
Anyway, art students look at futurism-fascism propaganda out of context then pump that into pop culture which now gets picked up on by every video essayist on youtube.

>>2397585
Anyone who says "XYZ is eugenics" has a very warped understanding of what eugenics actually is. It's basically state enforcement of who is and isn't allowed to breed. Shit like beauty standards, prenatal vitamins, wanting to be fit/healthy, etc. aren't "eugenics" in the slightest.


>>2397585
>>the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot.
>What's the logic behind this?
Everything I've googled has said it has to do with the Clean Girl aesthetic being traditionalist and conservative with the emphasis being on natural beauty. Which is really fucking retarded. American politics has gotten to the point where libshits truly believe buying and wearing shit fascists don't like is somehow fighting fascism. I'm sorry, but you can't "blue eyeshadow" your way out of capitalism's collapse.

>>2397464
>I’m seeing so many social media posts claiming maximalist aesthetics like heavy makeup, brightly-coloured wardrobe, etc. are an “act of defiance” against “clean girl conservatism and MAGA fascism”, emphasizing that minimalism and the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot. This makes no sense to me. Being in my 30s, I remember when minimalism and anti-consumerism were largely associated with the radical left. Think Ad Busters and CrimethInc. Gen X and xennial comrades were extremely anti-consumerist and preached a minimalist lifestyle. At the same time, maximalist aesthetics were largely associated with the right, because they were seen as indicative of mindless consumerism and neoliberalism, e.g. right-wing women were the ones showing off their 200 different eyeshadows, 60 different pairs of shoes, and 27 different handbags. Today, it’s like the paradigms have flipped. Having 200 eyeshadows and 60 different pairs of shoes is now promoted as revelling against “Trump Era conformity”. The beige-ification of everything is entirely blamed on American politics becoming more conservative, despite the fact this was already going on years prior when Biden was in office. Hell, I’m even seeing progressive women complain about a “war on femininity” on the basis that Trump’s America wants to privilege traditional masculinity and wants to keep “girl-like” aesthetics that allegedly emphasize weakness out of public view (ironically, right-wing women have long complained about a “war on femininity” being lead by feminists and queer activists).

Protip: the people making these claims aren't Marxists but liberals. Like Kamala-supporting liberals.

>>2397617
>a wave of
I think you meant "within my twitter algorithm bubble." A thinktank running an small scale ad campaign isn't representative of an entire demographic.

>>2397476
No wonder why you're losing in the Devolped west. No one wants degerates who want to kill Cultures.

>>2397633
True, but those big names on Twitter and YouTube have influence. Plus, I know a handful of queer people who are Trump supporters. Their whole line of reasoning is: "Trump is too busy bringing industry back into America to care about repressing queer people", or "I'm one of the GOOD QUEERS who wants to defend Western Civilization so of course the GOP won't take MY rights away!".

>>2397556
>Punk and queer subcultures pretty much make up the bulk of the American left since American politics is incredibly right-wing.
Correct. If a genuinely leftist political party existed in the US the political discourse would be a hell of a lot different and leftist praxis would originate on the factory floor rather than in gentrifier apartments in Bushwick.

>>2397636
>No, muh stupid ritual made up a few hundred years ago where I put on magic robes and prance around is sacred to the nation that has only existed a few hundred years longer using a language that isn't even a thousand years old will last forever!

>>2397464
I don't know much about this topic but we definitely need to try fight the rise of consumerism, it feels like everyone is plowing all their money into luxury bullshit these days

>>2397641
>things will phase out at some point so why not destroy them now anyway

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>>2397638
>"Trump is too busy bringing industry back into America to care about repressing queer people"
<as theyre actively repressing queer people

how does one come to this conclusion?

>>2397651
Denialism, usually. Or else they feel like they have more loyalty to other policies of Trump's and ignore his administration's repression of queer people.

>>2397646
The "leftist" argument for consumerism (as I stated in my OP) is that it enables people to be individuals who can break out of the social conservatism and conformity of the MAGA shit. Liberals have literally embraced the stuff they used to preach against 15 years ago.

>>2397650
Sorry Christanity and Western Culture like In Northern Europe surived thousand year's It will clearly surive a Another 1000. Romano-Greek Culture is still around with Latin script and Archiecture.

>>2397608
>Many of these people don't think beyond the superficial propaganda therefore trashing your house and being messy is anti-fascist.

SHOWERING IS FASCIST! SOAP IS FASCIST! BASIC HYGIENE IS FASCIST!

>>2397464
The culture war is all bourgeois. Communists are no closer to the "left" than they are to the right. You can see this very clearly in the way the "left" all became nuclear war pilled natocels immediately when western capital's interests were challenged in a substantial way for the first time in 30 years in 2022.
What we see here is that "left" liberals are more emotionally invested in the old order, even if both sides are as conservative as each other. The right has the idea that they are building a new world. A more cruel world, whatever, but it's what they like. That idea falls apart immediately when they get in office, but they cling to it regardless. Liberals cling onto everything associated with their dying world instead, and consumerism is definitely a part of it.

>>2397650
Yeah why not? At least we don't need to keep things around if we don't want to.

>>2397657
>Christanity
You can pray in private just like Jesus told you to. Only Pharisees worshiped in public until the Catholics took over Rome then the bible got ignored until Martin Luther. Even then it took hundreds more of years of Christians murdering each other until the true Christians the Quakers emerged.
>Western Culture
Western culture has destroyed everything before it including itself. When was the last time you went to see some random criminal broken on the wheel? You see any rebels heads on pikes recently? It is completely different from even a few hundred years ago. We should continue to accelerate this tradition.
>Romano-Greek Culture is still around
And it's great! While going to see my favorite gladiator fight, I sacrificed an animal to Jupiter and a vestal virgin gave me a wink! I would be beaten to death by the pontifex maximus for her but I don't want her to be immured alive if we get caught. What do I do, bros?
>Latin script
It's good. Very simple to use compared to many language scripts. We should keep it.

>>2397664
>The right has the idea that they are building a new world. A more cruel world, whatever, but it's what they like. That idea falls apart immediately when they get in office, but they cling to it regardless. Liberals cling onto everything associated with their dying world instead, and consumerism is definitely a part of it.
The entire crux of the American left has become: "We must prop up the status quo to prevent something even worse from taking it over."

If I really wanted to be cynical, I would argue that Trump, covid-19, and Ukraine have completely wrecked the left, in that it made the American left cling to the same establishment it claimed to want to overthrow. The same left that used to be highly critical of mainstream institutions (including NATO) was now fully on board with them. I was stupid enough to believe that the Palestine movement would revive the left and it didn't.

>>2397667
>Even then it took hundreds more of years of Christians murdering each other until the true Christians the Quakers emerged.
I hope you're being sarcastic.

>>2397636
>>2397641
All Ethnic groups/Nations will get their own SSR or SFSR in the future Global USSR, and obviously the Native Language of each Ethnic group/Nation will be the Official Language of their SSR or SFSR, in line with the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , the massive caveat is that the Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution will purge the Cultures of each of these Ethnic groups/Nations of all their Reactionary Superstructural Elements, as I articulated in my post at >>2397476 , which details that Religion, Reactionary Clothing (ie. Religious Clothing, Bourgeois Business Suits, Women’s Dresses/Skirts, etc.), and Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity (ie. Women having Hair longer then a Pixie cut, Dresses/Skirts, Makeup/lipstick, etc. and eventually the Global USSR will liberate Women from the oppressive nature of childbirth through Artificial Wombs, which will finally fully flatten the Reactionary Gender Binary), will be Banned just like they were in Maoist China, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2397640
Yeah, on the factory floors. It'll happen in all of the 7 remaining American factories!

>>2397765
It’s still a problem that leftist politics in America is basically a subculture and not a real movement. When the best the US “left” has to offer is AOC and Mamdani you know there’s a problem.

>>2397720
If you won then why are nationalists constantly crying? It's nonstop complaining about their internal ethnic groups, eroding traditions, their local neighboring nations, all the past wars in history and the global economy.
Nationalists have so many complains they feel the need to turn fascist and kill everyone but themselves until they lose a war and then they do kill themselves.

>>2397464
> I’m seeing so many social media posts claiming maximalist aesthetics like heavy makeup, brightly-coloured wardrobe, etc. are an “act of defiance” against “clean girl conservatism and MAGA fascism”, emphasizing that minimalism and the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot

We call this liberalism, comrade.

>>2397464
>”the clean girl aesthetic predicted the rise of fascism”
Yeah, because the failing economy DEFINITELY didn’t.

People who hate on minimalism are incredibly stupid.

>>2397706
I challenged you on this about a month ago, but I still find it crazy how you lump all of spanish america together. What's your reasoning

Minimalist aesthetics are feminine, and all right-wingers are inverts.

>idpol but with buildings and fashion

>>2397765
America is becoming re-proletarianized.

>>2397464
“Clean girl” only exists on TikTok. Why are we even debating this?

>>2397464
>I’m seeing so many social media posts claiming maximalist aesthetics like heavy makeup, brightly-coloured wardrobe, etc. are an “act of defiance” against “clean girl conservatism and MAGA fascism”, emphasizing that minimalism and the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot.
Wait, what? I thought it was the other way around. The "clean girl" look is liberal, and there has been a whole thing about garish "Republican makeup" and heavy use of plastic surgery by right-wing women and *that's* fascism and eugenics-based, and liberal girls and gay men on TikTok were parodying it.

Mar-A-Lago Face

>A Palm Beach plastic surgeon said his female clients are asking him to make them resemble Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka, as the "Mar-a-Lago face" trend shows no sign of going out of style. "People will come in and say, "I want to look like her, I like her eyes, I like her nose, I like her lips,'" Dr Norman Rowe told the Daily Mail.


>The "Mar-a-Lago face" has become a must-have accessory for Donald Trump's inner circle, as "both the leader and followers compete to inject as much unsightliness as possible into the American field of vision", said Salon.


>The Maga aesthetic embraced by some high-profile supporters combines "aggressive plastic surgery, fake tan, and make-up spackled on so thick that it would crack – if the fillers hadn't already paralysed their faces".

https://theweek.com/health/mar-a-lago-face-the-hottest-maga-plastic-surgery-trend

>>2399604
>Republican makeup" and heavy use of plastic surgery by right-wing women and *that's* fascism and eugenics-based,
What? How is a makeup look “eugenics”? FFS are we pretending everything is “eugenics” now?

I find it very telling how the radical left used to promote their ideology in the basis of shattering and freeing the world from bourgeois/Protestant morality.

Now, the left (at least in America) feels the constant need to appeal to bourgeois/Protestant morality.

“Kale salads and skincare products are EUGENICS!” — petty moralism.

>>2397476
Should put all men in skirts and liberate us from the chains of bourgeois masculinity you TERF.

>>2401575
What is “TERF” about abolishing Reactionary Bourgeois Femininity, considering I said nothing about banning Sex Changes (I strongly support Trans rights), 🤔?

>>2399604
>>2399606
Shit like this disgusting “Mar-a-Lago Face” fetish that turns Young Women into living ”Barbie Dolls” for Perverted Old Bourgeois Men is irrefutable evidence in favor of Reactionary Bourgeois Femininity (ie. Women having Hair longer then a Pixie cut, Dresses/Skirts, Makeup/lipstick, etc. and eventually the Global USSR will liberate Women from the oppressive nature of childbirth through Artificial Wombs, which will finally fully flatten the Reactionary Gender Binary) being Banned just like it was in Maoist China, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>When did minimalist aesthetics become associated with the right-wing all of a sudden?
When you made this thread.

Am I the only one who thinks the tradwife thing is overblown and it’s just some literal who’s on social media promoting it when it has very little prevalence IRL?

>>2397464
Since the right started worshipping the "simple rural life."

>>2397654
I think a left defense of consumerism would be more like this:

https://buffsoldier-96.medium.com/a-marxist-defence-of-consumerism-c307f9186921

>Left wing anti-consumerism is the product of defeat, of pessimism and symbolic of the lowered horizons of the left. It is in essence a conservative position masquerading as radical, so much so that I would charge it with being what Marx and Engels in The Communist Manifesto called “reactionary socialism”, an anti-capitalism that rejects technology, consumption and the progress in human development that has occurred under capitalism, and in its extreme has as its utopia a world of de-technologized frugal local communities. Against this we should declare that it is not the working class that needs to be liberated from consumerism, or in other words their own material desires, but that consumerism should be liberated from capitalism.

>>2405787
>that image
The Amish are fully capitalist and it’s a myth that they’re “self-sufficient Christian communists”. There are Amish millionaires who make their wealth through running construction companies.

>>2405968
Yes the Amish are capitalist but the meme's claim is they don't practice consumerism like millennial leftoid urbanites.

>>2405983
They do though. If you go to Amish Country you’ll frequently see Amish shopping at Walmart. They buy plenty of shit, they’re just strict about what kinds of things they’re buying.

>>2406217
>They buy plenty of shit, they’re just strict about what kinds of things they’re buying.
Ok. But do leftists need to buy funko pops and fortnite skins? Sure they have to consume some products in order to live as part of a capitalist economy but do they need to buy pointless junk?

>>2406232
do they have to avoid buying pointless junk?

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>>2397476
>The future Global USSR will launch a Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution that will see all Religion outlawed, all Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas etc. bulldozed, all Religious clothing banned, and all Priests/Ministers/Rabbis/Monks/Nuns/Imams etc. forced to wear Dunce Caps

>>2406235
>The future Global USSR will launch a Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution that will see all Religion outlawed, all Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas etc. bulldozed, all Religious clothing banned, and all Priests/Ministers/Rabbis/Monks/Nuns/Imams etc. forced to wear Dunce Caps

Sigh. If only.

>>2397476
unbelievably based, we have our disagreements but this is one thing we should agree on, kill clerics in particular

>>2406235
me i look like this

>>2406234
Yeah because buying and producing the junk is a misallocation of resources and time for both you as an individual and larger society.

>>2397669
>If I really wanted to be cynical, I would argue that Trump, covid-19, and Ukraine have completely wrecked the left, in that it made the American left cling to the same establishment it claimed to want to overthrow.
Anarchist comrades in Europe were violently protesting against the covid mandates, including the lockdowns and vaccine mandates, on the basis that said things were simply another excuse for the surveillance state to repress and control the masses.

Meanwhile, radical leftists in the USA protested for the covid mandates on the basis of “anti-eugenics” or some bullshit.

Really makes you think how cucked the American “left” must be when they find themselves on the side of the police state.

>>2406293
Protesting lockdowns and quarantines is objectively retarded. Your anarchists were on the same side as the pro-trump anti lockdown glowops in the us.

The only mandate that could be argued was correct to protest was the vaccine mandate because it was just a flimsy pretext to end all safety measures and the extension of social services and send people back to work.

>>2406298
Why would it matter if leftists were on the same side as Trumpers?

>>2406298
I mean, here (not the USA) we kept giving breaks from the lockdowns for consumption season. And every time everybody went back to shopping and crowding they were like
> OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT ANOTHER WAVE. AIN'T FATE CAPRICIOUS?"

My favorite image of COVID though, is the high profile events after the height of it. When the mask hysteria had passed. and now you had all the rich and powerful people unmasked, served by business brand masked staff.

Apparently we are so domesticated that we can get outraged by whatever is on TV, but not millions of dead all around us.

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>>2397464
One of the worst aspects of social media is the normalization of self-righteousness, pretentiousness, and the moralization of personal preferences. "The personal is the political" is used in ways it was never meant to be used, and rather than being about dedicating your life to winning political goals it's become a way for narcissists online to get supply from berating and degrading others for making the "wrong" consumer choices.

Imagine making a tweet on Twitter saying: "I prefer purple to blue" and someone responds to you with: "YOU'RE DISGUSTING. Historically, purple was the colour of the elite classes since it took a lot of dead snails to make. By liking purple over blue you are directly playing into patriarchal white supremacist capitalist propaganda. YOU MUST LIKE BLUE OVER PURPLE TO BE A MORALLY DECENT PERSON." This is the kind of bullshit social media promotes.

>The beige-ification of everything is entirely blamed on American politics becoming more conservative, despite the fact this was already going on years prior when Biden was in office.

Liberals are in-denial that a queer-friendly, autistic-friendly, Hot Topic alt girl-friendly Democrat administration was perfectly capable of selling Israel plenty of weapons to commit genocide, so of course they make everything about aesthetics in lieu of understanding how politics and power actually work.

>>2406235
strongest Christian vs weakest atheist

>>2406361
Except we’re not talking about colour preferences but about Nazi and eugenicist dogwhistles. The entire essence of American conservatism is whiteness and eugenics. Pointing out how these things manifest in popular culture should be crucial for any leftist especially now when literal eugenicists like Trump and RFK are running America.

>The beige-ification of everything
"sad beige mom aesthetic is ruining kids childhoods" lmao segregated suburban settlers are now like their ghetto prisoners suffering from sensory deprivation, how ironic!
>>2406941
>we’re not talking about colour preferences but about Nazi and eugenicist dogwhistles.
same thing:
>Sydney Sweeney's controversial new "great jeans" advert for American Eagle has been widely criticised on social media for its perceived racial and genetic messaging, and even been accused of creating "eugenics rage bait".
>The Euphoria actor stars in the clothing brand's fall 2025 campaign, where there is wordplay on “jeans” and “genes" along with the tagline “Sydney Sweeney Has Great Jeans", which has some viewers uncomfortable with this conflation.
>In one of the ads, Sweeney is modelling the clothes from the new collection and says, "Genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair colour, personality, and even eye colour… my jeans are blue," followed by a voiceover that then says, "Sydney Sweeney has great Jeans."
https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/sydney-sweeney-american-eagle-advert-controversy

>>2406972
That’s my point. Eugenics permeates every aspect of American conservatism. That’s the entire BASIS of right-wing politics in America. It’s crucial for leftists to point out when popular culture is becoming more conservative because it’s always a call to eradicate anyone who isn’t white, able-bodies and neurotypical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics

>>2397585
>Also, can we PLEASE FUCKING STOP using the term 'eugenics'
Jeffrey Epstein has a big club of eugenicists, and plenty of PMC high school teacher (like Epstein!) socialists are neatly aligned with his ideology:
<" For a long time, "eugenics" has been a boo-word, almost always misapplied and misunderstood. Freddie deBoer (My Favorite Marxist) explains how this has recently gotten even worse: Perhaps Not Everything is Eugenics, by @freddiesubstack freddiedeboer.substack.com/p…
https://xcancel.com/sapinker/status/1483885141676068866
>to describe anything we don't like?
nazi NPC dialog #2: "you call anything you don't like fascism"

>>2397621
>eugenics actually is state enforcement of who is and isn't allowed to breed
Fascism is the merger of corporate industry with the state
>Shit like beauty standards,
This ugly degenerate doesn't know lmao:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_law
>prenatal vitamins,
"Neoliberal austerity nazis would surely not deny their ghetto slaves healthcare! It would be terrible if that ever happened!"
>wanting to be fit/healthy, etc.
Oprah style self-help neoliberals like RFK Jr are fascists whose ideology is entirely consistent with the Victorian British eugenics ideology of "wellness" and "racial hygiene"

>>2407013
>Neoliberal austerity nazis would surely not deny their ghetto slaves healthcare! It would be terrible if that ever happened!"
What dies this have to do with fucking vitamins? Pretty sure denying healthcare would mean denying pregnant women the resources they need to have a healthy baby.

>>2406941
Democrats are going to win the midterm elections by a landslide anyway, meaning Trump and his goons will have a much harder time getting their bullshit passed. The outrage over the Gaza starvation, the Big Beautiful Bill destroying many Americans’ healthcare, and anger over Trump being on the Epstein list will cause the Dems to win back both the House and Senate.

I know Dems aren’t much better but at least they will hold off the descent into fascism for another few years, which gives us more time to organize.

>>2407013
>Oprah style self-help neoliberals like RFK Jr are fascists whose ideology is entirely consistent with the Victorian British eugenics ideology of "wellness" and "racial hygiene"

So going to the gym is “eugenics” now too?

Fascists make an effort to work out and get stronger. Shouldn’t we be doing the same if we’re in situations where we have to fight them head-on in the streets?

Or is being a weakling unable to fight back more “anti-capitalist” now?

>>2407053
Mao’s China and the USSR were actually very big into physical fitness.

>>2406361
>>2407013
Eugenics isn’t just Action T4. Eugenics is refusing to care for disabled people in everyday life. I’m autistic and I can’t live alone. I live with my ableist mother who keeps demanding I move out even though she knows I can’t.

I don’t care about Sydney Sweeney. I care that others make an effort to care about me. Ignoring me and my struggles and the struggles of all other autistic/disabled people in the world is eugenics. Being a caregiver for a disabled person who can’t live alone will do more to fight eugenics in practice than calling out pop culture.

>>2407053
>>2407053
The idea is some people have medical conditions that going to the gym and taking vitamins doesn't fix or prevent. So when the only medical plan available is 'go to the gym and take vitamins' then everyone who is not already healthy will be killed off by medical neglect.

>>2407375
Nobody is asking people with physical disabilities to hit the gym that's absurd and everyone knows this. That's not what the purpose of the "a fascist lift today why don't you" slogans are aimed for. What actually happen is that people who do not like physical exertion is using disabled peoples as an excuse

>>2407394
RFK Jr, Dr Oz and other fascist health gurus the Trump Admin are pushing explicitly use gym/vitamins rhetoric as a way to justify their healthcare cuts in order to kill off the disabled. That's the eugenics we are talking about here.

As for your slogans it might encourage some people to exercise which is fine on that level. But it buys into weird body dysmorphic thinking that capitalists use to get people to buy their shitty products. Average person doesn't need expensive weight equipment or even go to the gym, they can get healthy exercise simply by jogging, basic calisthenics and a few cheap weights. People don't need to look like bodybuilders to be fit either.

>>2407053
How often do you think there will there be street fights between fascist and socialists? This feels like anarkidde protest thinking. If you are actually worried about fights then you should carry a gun or other weapon and also go out with a group of people ready to gang up on attackers. Average person shouldn't waste much time training be a marital arts master unless they enjoy it. Just learning a few basic strikes and throws will be fine.

>>2407473
>Average person doesn't need expensive weight equipment or even go to the gym,
A gym membership in my city is like $7, LOL!

Also, vitamins are a part of healthcare. Not really much different from taking over-the-counter meds you get at a pharmacy.

>>2407375
>So when the only medical plan available is 'go to the gym and take vitamins'
You're making a huge false dichotomy. No one ever said going to the gym and taking vitamins is a replacement for free healthcare. You take your health into your own hands as much as you can and go to the doctor when you can't.

It's also pretty funny seeing "leftists" demonize working out or taking vitamins of all things. My mutual aid group provided Vitamin D supplements to the unhoused last winter.

>>2407473
> If you are actually worried about fights then you should carry a gun or other weapon and also go out with a group of people ready to gang up on attackers.
Not possible if you live in Canada, Europe, or a US state with tight gun regulations like NY or MA.

Again, why the demonization of physical fitness? Why suggest physical fitness is "fascist" or inherently in opposition to universal healthcare?

The fact that "clean girl" vs. "alt girl" is now becoming a staple of American politics is proving that American politics isn't politics but a cultural spectacle.

>>2407053
>Or is being a weakling unable to fight back more “anti-capitalist” now?
Martyrdom. They deliberately want to be weak and frail because they view martyrdom and "dying for the cause" as being more heroic than actual victory. The more the weak are killed the more the general population will sympathize with them, and the more they're deaths will expose the evils of the enemy. They do this, because they have no other gameplan on how to defeat fascism, just weak hope in the idea others will save them from it.

>>2407473
Everything Trump and RFK are proposing to do will fall flat given that the Democrats will take back both the House and Senate next year during Midterms and prevent most of the things they claim to want to do. RFK said he was going to find an "autism cure" by September when it's almost August and he hasn't done shit.

>>2407490
>Another factor that is very common in the western left is to treat suffering and extreme poverty as elements of superiority. It is very common in Western leftist culture to support martyrs and suffering. Everyone today likes Salvador Allende. Why? Salvador Allende is a victim, a martyr. He was assassinated in Pinochet’s coup d’ etat. When Hugo Chavez was alive, many sectors of the left turned their nose up at him. If he had been killed, for example, in the 2002 Coup attempt, he would be adored by the immense majority of the western left today, as a symbol of suffering and martyrdom. Since he continued exercising power as leader of a political process which, by necessity, had various contradictions, he was increasingly abandoned, as time passed – I don’t even have to mention what has happened to Maduro here. These same sectors which celebrate and support the idea of Allende because he defended democratic socialism do not see or do not want to see that Allende governed almost entirely through decrees. At the time, the Chilean constitution had a legal mechanism which enabled the executive branch to govern by decrees that did not have to be approved by parliament or the Supreme Court. So Allende was able to make laws through decrees which bypassed Congress and the Supreme Court. Since Allende did not have a majority in Congress and suffered a lot from the bourgeois opposition, he basically governed through decree throughout his entire mandate. This kind of action today is enough justification to label any left leader that practices it as authoritarian, to compare him to Trump, Bolsonaro, or Orban. If Allende was alive today he would also be criticized, but he died.

>“Allende governed almost entirely through decrees.”


>Another example of this is the situation with Ché Guevarra and Fidel Castro. To most western leftists, Che Guevara represents a rebel dreamer. In real life he was not, but they have built this image around him. Ché Guevara died immolated in the jungles of Bolivia, so now he is a symbol of sacrifice, martyrdom and the agony of defeat. Fidel stayed in Cuba as leader of the Cuban Revolution and all of the contradictions of this process. Today he is viewed as a bureaucrat, without charm or appeal, by many if not the majority of the western left. Ché Guevara is an eternal symbol of resistance, of dreaming, of utopia that is unfulfilled because of death.


>Another example of this is the contrast in how the People’s Republic of Korea is treated compared to Palestine. Both nations engaged in the same struggle – the anti-colonial fight for national independence. In the case of Korea, the struggle was made from a socialist perspective. Korea succeeded, despite being a country that is fractured by imperialism. It has an economy that is relatively strong, with a reasonably high level of industrialization, a very strong national army and capacity to launch nuclear weapons. So, Korea is not a defenseless nation. Palestinians are a people who are deeply oppressed, in a situation of extreme poverty, that don’t have a national economy because they don’t have a national state. They don’t have an army or military or economic power. Therefore, Palestine is the total incarnation of the metaphor of David vs Goliath, except that this David doesn’t have a chance of beating Goliath in political and military conflict. Therefore, almost everyone in the international left likes Palestine. People become ecstatic looking at those images – which I don’t think are very fantastic – of a child or teenager using a sling to launch a rock at a tank. Look, this is a clear example of heroism but it is also a symbol of barbarism. This is a people who do not have the capacity to defend themselves facing an imperialist colonial power that is armed to the teeth. They do not have an equal capacity of resistance, but this is romanticized. Western leftists like this situation of oppression, suffering and martyrdom.


This is the part you needed to post, and yes it is correct.

>>2407479
Rates depend on the city, gym brand, tier and if you have a contract for 6 tor 12 months, etc It can be hundred of dollars a year depending.
But my question is does the average person NEED to pay for a gym membership? No, they only need basic healthy fitness which is easily accomplished with jogging and calisthenics. If people want an extra workout they can buy a cheap set of weights. You don't need a Blowflex, Peloton or pay monthly fees to a gym.
>>2407480
>No one ever said going to the gym and taking vitamins is a replacement for free healthcare.
In fact Right-wingers ARE suggesting it's all anyone needs. It works perfect with new age positive thinking bullshit, Multi-level Marketing companies selling supplements, and Prosperity Gospel Christians all combined into one retarded American ideology. Trump and RFK, Dr Oz love all of it.
>It's also pretty funny seeing "leftists" demonize working out or taking vitamins of all things.
Did I say anywhere in my post exercise and vitamins are bad? No.
>>2407481
>Not possible if you live in Canada, Europe, or a US state with tight gun regulations like NY or MA.
That's why I said you should bring "other weapons" and going out with groups ready to gang up on attackers. Learning basic strikes isn't bad but becoming a martial artist would be a wast of time. Even professional MMA fighters have been killed in street fights.
>Again, why the demonization of physical fitness?
Never did. I said bodybuilder body dysmorphia is bad, not fitness. You don't need to look like Schwarzeuyghur to be fit and healthy.

>>2407484
Republican executive branch can ignore Democrats congress if they want. Even assuming Democrats win all the branches they will only restore a fraction of what Republicans tear down. That is how it's been working for decades.

>>2407502
>In fact Right-wingers ARE suggesting it's all anyone needs.
Can you provide proof of this? It sounds like you're making a caricature. I googled "Dr. Oz supplements" and didn't see any recent articles of him peddling supplements. He's a sham doctor anyway but whatever.

>Did I say anywhere in my post exercise and vitamins are bad? No.

You implied it. You said that vitamins were being used as an excuse for denying people healthcare and thus evil.

>Learning basic strikes isn't bad but becoming a martial artist would be a wast of time.

What's wrong with enhancing your physical abilities and encouraging other leftists to do so as well? "Not everyone can do it, therefore it's useless" is a fallacy.

>Republican executive branch can ignore Democrats congress if they want.

I'm not going to cheer on the Democrats, but do realize Trump and his minions like RFK are already facing extreme public scrutiny. Not just for the Epstein shit but also for the Big Beautiful Bill itself and specifically how it cuts healthcare. Even former Trump supporters are realizing this was a shitty idea since they're going to suffer without Medicare.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't buy the idea that the Trump Administration is going to commit eugenics. Why would they want to massively kill off a huge number of Americans when the entire ideology of Trumpism is "make America productive again"? They don't want to kill off disabled people, they want to force disabled people to work. That's what the wellness farms are for: not death camps but work camps. And all the crap about Medicare says the disabled and elderly have to work to earn their healthcare. It's all about forcing so-called "unproductive" people back into the labour force using the stick.

And let's face it: killing off a massive part of your population would cause a gigantic crisis in capitalism. That's why the ruling class wanted everyone to get the covid vaccine, so they could avoid a post-covid recession and get everyone working again. The capitalist class has no reason to kill off the disabled when they can just force them to work. All this talk of: "THEY'RE BRINGING BACK AKTION T4!" is nonsense.

>>2407509
>Can you provide proof of this?
https://www.alternet.org/trump-official-sick-americans/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-supplement-makers-fda/
>He's a sham doctor anyway but whatever.
And now he is America's new Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
>You said that vitamins were being used as an excuse for denying people healthcare and thus evil.
Using vitamins as an excuse to cut healthcare is evil. But you were the one who jumped to the conclusion that means I was saying vitamins are evil. To be clear vitamins are not necessarily bad when taken it the right doses.
>What's wrong with enhancing your physical abilities and encouraging other leftists to do so as well?
Encouraging fitness and health is good. But Bodybuilding is a hobby at best. Just packing on muscle doesn't do anything for you compared to lots of other activities. Martial arts is the same. You can be a great marital artist and still get jumped and overpowered.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/kiwi-mma-fighter-dies-one-week-after-gutless-street-attack-021135263.html?guccounter=1
After a certain point, returns for learning street fighting or putting on muscle diminish compared to just organizing a group or not getting into the fight in the first place.
>facing extreme public scrutiny.
So what? They are still in power.
>Big Beautiful Bill itself and specifically how it cuts healthcare
It already passed.
>Even former Trump supporters are realizing this was a shitty idea since they're going to suffer without Medicare.
And? Many Republicans now say they never trusted Bush and were against the Iraq War. He wasn't a true conservative you see. The next Republican administration will finally drain the swamp.
>the entire ideology of Trumpism is "make America productive again"?
That's only if you take them at face value. Why are you?
>not death camps but work camps.
Work will set the free…
>killing off a massive part of your population would cause a gigantic crisis in capitalism.
They want some type of neofeudalism not capitalism. Current ruling class is realizing capitalism is a bad system to base their rule off of. They are looking for an off ramp.

THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT.

>>2397585
>>2397621
>>2406361
American politics has largely become based on outrage culture. Whichever side isn’t in control of the establishment resorts to outrage in order to rally up their supporters to go against the side that’s in power now. Liberals are currently sperging out over “EUGENICS EUGENICS EUGENICS” for the same exact reason MAGAts were sperging out a few years ago about drag queens reading books to kids.

If the Sydney Sweeney ad had been made by a Black woman, no one would have cared. But because liberals saw it as “Nazi propaganda” they were able to fester outrage. Lo and behold, American Eagle stock has now exploded due to the controversy and MAGAts buying said jeans to spite the so-called “wokes”. Oh hell, now they’re trying to get Billie Eilish cancelled for essentially doing the same thing, even though they had zero issue with her embracing a tradwife aesthetic back in 2021.

>>2409571
Disabled people were being denied healthcare under Obama.

No idea why liberals think this shit started under Trump and RFK.

>>2409619
Liberals do evil quietly while conservatives scream and shout about how evil is great. That forces liberals to pretend to care until they get reelected. Then they shut up, the media looks the other way and then they continue on doing the same thing.

>>2409820
And how does that make liberals any better?

I had watched a video on minimalism recently saying it had turned extremist due to social media where people tried to outcompete others to get more attention by being excessively and impractically minimalist and increasingly consumerist.

>>2409857
>excessively and impractically minimalist and increasingly consumerist.
That makes zero sense. Minimalism is supposed to be the rejection of consumerism.

>so uhhhh this irrelevant discussion is culture war
>lets engage in it anyway
who fucking cares

>>2409852
idk at least some of them have some shame about it. On the other hand, conservatives actively try to make it acceptable and in turn make it easier for liberals.
Whatever, as leftists we know they both need to go.

>>2409930
A lot of Minimalists advocate quality over quantity which tends to be more expensive. That means buying products that are more expensive than if they just bought lot of cheap replaceable ones. Some capitalists will charge premium prices for "minimalists products" specifically aimed at people trying to cut back. It also might not actually be better quality just be designed to look like a minimalist product.
But that criticism is not really dealing with the core ideas of minimalism but simply capitalists taking advantage to jack up prices and rip people off.

>>2397464
>so many social media posts claiming maximalist aesthetics like heavy makeup, brightly-coloured wardrobe, etc. are an “act of defiance” against “clean girl conservatism and MAGA fascism”, emphasizing that minimalism and the “clean girl” aesthetic are indicative of fascism, purity, eugenics, and whatnot
When you're a politically impotent middle-classer your best personal concept of organizing is just wearing different shit and spiting the other side of the middle-class spectrum, lol.

>>2409959
> advocate quality over quantity which tends to be more expensive. That means buying products that are more expensive than if they just bought lot of cheap replaceable ones.
This actually makes sense though? I'd rather have one high quality pair of shoes that I wear every day for two or three years than 50 pairs of shit quality shoes that break after like three wears.

>>2409971
The criticism assumes markets are efficient and that the price/use comparison could show that 50 mass produced shoes is better than one hand crafted expensive pair. Of course irl markets don't price environmental externalities so it's a flawed criticism from the start

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>>2409971
if one pair of shoes costs $20, then what youre saying is that you would rather pay for 1 $1000 pair than 50 $20 pairs over the same time-frame

>>2411959
Since when do non-luxury shoes cost $1000? You can get very good quality shoes for less than $200 that will easily last you two or three years.

>>2411966
the comparison is between 50 pairs and 1 pair
appealing to quality over quantity then forces you to say that the quality of 50 pairs together is at least equal the quality of one. this then means that the price of the shoe is in line with its value, which must be at least worth the cost of 50 shoes.

>>2411968
Not sure where you're getting those numbers. But yeah, cheap shoes like the ones you find at H&M are usually shit.

>>2411970
the entire dichotomy is between quality and quantity
cheap shoes decline in value in proportion to their quality - hence, a cheap shoe falls apart quickly
this means that theoretically, an expensive shoe's quality is measured by its price ratio to the cheap shoe, so if a cheap shoe is worth $20 and an expensive one is $200, then it has 10 times the quality of the other. this also means that comparing between 50 pairs and 1 pair, the 1 pair would have to be worth at least $1000

my argument is that 50 pairs are generally preferable in the same time-frame than just 1 pair, since at least the 50 pairs are renewed after one another, rather than the slow decline of the one pair.

>>2412002
> my argument is that 50 pairs are generally preferable in the same time-frame than just 1 pair, since at least the 50 pairs are renewed after one another, rather than the slow decline of the one pair.

So, consumerism

>>2412322
consumerism is vague arbitrary bullshit, nobody can decide where to draw the line. and i say this as someone who knows the proletariat is only the immiserated wage worker, not the ones who can even engage in """consumerism""" in the first place

>>2412002
Never mind that each of those low quality shoes will start to decline very quickly. I’d rather have one pair that I can go two or three years without worrying about.

>>2397464
You should also mention how, in spite of all the tradwife shit, right-wingers are becoming far more open to sex positivity whereas a lot of left-leaning zoomers are sexual prudes.

I had a zoomer girl tell me she thinks the Age if Consent should be 22, because “a 30-year old has no business dating a 20-year old unless he’s a predator”. Two decades ago it would be right-wing conservatives saying that shit. “Don’t have sex until you’re married and have a stable source of income because we don’t want abortions or welfare queens.”

>>2412777
Yeah but then those same zoomer girls will start an OnlyFans in order to pay rent.


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