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>>2399022 >>2400776Sorry to say but Mamdani won't be saving you.
This time next year, you'll be warring yet another MENA country, and probably sponsoring your side of another African proxy war.
And you still won't have healthcare.
Repeat that for the next couple of decades until all the Monopoly money runs out and the USA "collapses"
Even then, you'll just reverse your relationship with the EU. And fool yourself that adopting their more socdem standards is socialism, even if it's just done to subordinate your industry in the still very much liberal economy. But China will approve and you'll paint everything red.
>>2400804I think that, dollar hegemony or not (fucked as the US is if that ever happens), the world has yet many many years of liberalism left, especially international trade.
Which IMO means that the USA/NATO is forever married to neoliberalism, to it's ultimate consequences. Maybe a boon for future revolutionaries, which won't be undermined by reformists. However, line must always go up, and domestic exploitation is the means in a waning hegemony abroad, or the capital will go elsewhere. Which is not to say that "peaceful" liberalism is possible, but the US may be on the clock to reassert US hegemony before it becomes unaffordable.
So any of y'all know anything about Active Club Networks? If not, you should, because outside of ICE the next big far right paramilitary forces are going to come from these
Spawning from Robert Rundo's "Rise Above Movement", Active Clubs can be summed up as decentralized neo-nazi cells which as the name implies engage in activism and training. This is done for the purpose of cultivating a "warrior spirit" for the upcoming race war. A lot of Atomwaffen members and other explicitly accelerationist terrorist groups have folded into these Active Clubs, and they're also being promoted by groups such as the Patriot Front. By all accounts they're the next "big thing" in far right radicalization, and unlike their aforementioned Atomwaffen predecessors these guys actually have some degree of discipline and opsec and are growing day by day, existing as a "shadow or standby army" for far right insurrectionary activity. Remember the 2024 UK riots? You can thank local Active Clubs for organizing that one. They're primarily concentrated in the United States, but extensions also exist not only in the UK but in Finland and Russia
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/white-nationalist-active-clubs-1234835015/Thoughts? Unlike other far right LARP groups these guys seem to actually have the potential to be really dangerous. Wherever there are far right groups organizing in your area, chances are there's an Active Club they all coordinate with
>>2400841>neoliberalism is deadthe fuck you talking about? trump's party has just passed a full project amending 60 modifications on working places that would significantly reduce US working conditions, moreover:
milei privatized water and sanitary water utilities in Argentina.
neoliberalism hasn't died, it has inbred with protectionism where porkies see fit.
>>2400846they were doing that before neoliberalism. I don't wanna put too much stock into a term that was always fake to begin with but the characteristics that defined neoliberalism no longer exist here in the USA. for example Trump just nationalized an American company for the first time in this countries history. Yes its still being championed by europe and south america but its a dying ideology that only really existed to serve the american unipolar world
https://www.cato.org/news-releases/trump-just-quietly-nationalized-us-steel>>2400852It's still protectionism in the sense that America is attempting to shift away from a consumer based economy and towards a manufacturing based one
>>2400860Sports are good, they're certainly an easy way to bring people together and build community. The problem is the left especially in the west still has an aversion to appearing "machismo", which is understandable but something we do need to overcome.
Maybe in conjunction with "community defense" and the like, we can simply frame it as cultivating "positive masculinity"? Channeling the righteous anger of the youth into growing their minds and bodies so they can better defend the more vulnerable amongst them against the forces of the state. Youth outreach is another thing we have to work on, Active Clubs apparently get a lot of their numbers by recruiting from high schools where disaffected teens can get swept up in the far right pipeline simply out of a desire for community and a sense of belonging. It should be trivial for us to do the same considering communism is in fact about community and sees violence as a means to an end rather than something to be pursued for its own sake.
>>2400871This article makes zero sense, it says trump nationalized the steel industry in the headline but goes on to site a blog post about Biden approving a merger(doesn’t say when) between nippon steel. This isn’t protectionism because maybe one company got nationalized according to the standards of the Cato institute.
>>2400871Honestly I’ve think we need to attract people that don’t have an aversion to being outside and neurotically try to calculate if they’re project to much machismo. God bless those nerds and all that, I’m sympathetic and they’ll always have a place but we need to start building fronts that can be used to recruit and mobilize a mass movement. Same way cults operate. Create a front group for sports, Bible studies, outdoor hiking, community service, anime clubs, ect ect. Then create secondary groups to funnel more capable and radical people into. You start off playing soccer on Saturday’s and before you know it your dick is strapped to an E-reader and you’re being grilled on how clear you are. Except ours you’ll be reading Marx and strategizing.
>>2400907how do we measure value in laboratory conditions?
what is value made of? what does it look like?
>>2400902>>2400902Wrong. There is no analogy other than this:
Prostitute is the root of prostitution and capitalist is root of capitalism.
>prostitute is freelance contracterThen they are bourgeoisie and they must be destroyed.
>john is consumerConsumers are not producers. Consumers as a class are bourgeoisie
>>2400911bro is asking to measure a social relation like it's a physical substance 💀
>The value of commodities is the very opposite of the coarse materiality of their substance, not an atom of matter enters into its composition. Turn and examine a single commodity, by itself, as we will, yet in so far as it remains an object of value, it seems impossible to grasp it. If, however, we bear in mind that the value of commodities has a purely social reality, and that they acquire this reality only in so far as they are expressions or embodiments of one identical social substance, viz., human labour, it follows as a matter of course, that value can only manifest itself in the social relation of commodity to commodity. In fact we started from exchange value, or the exchange relation of commodities, in order to get at the value that lies hidden behind it. We must now return to this form under which value first appeared to us. >>2400920>value is not materialright, so "value" does not exist
marx's idea is that value does not exist in objects, but magically exists *between* objects, like the law of gravity. gravity can be measured in singular objects however, while value to marx is a pure immanence, constituted by exchange. this isnt a scientific idea, but a philosophical spectre given from hegel's idealism.
>So far no chemist has ever discovered exchange value either in a pearl or a diamondhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#S4 >>2400933>social relations do not exist because theyre relations between objects>behavior does not exist because its not an object>thoughts and minds do not exist atomism is vulgar materialism, not even retarded positivists take it seriously anymore
>le spookreading a fucking book
>>2400942>social relations do not exist because theyre relations between objects"social relations" are physical forces. remember my gravity example? we can measure the physicality of "action at a distance" and relate this to a singular expression of gravity in atomic influence. the source of planetary orbit thus relates to the singularity of matter, and doesnt "emerge" from the void.
>behavior does not exist because its not an objectits made of objects
>thoughts and minds do not existyou mean brains? you can manipulate someone's mind using magnets on their head.
>atomism is vulgar materialism, not even retarded positivists take it seriously anymorewhats the alternative theory?
>reading a fucking bookwhich book?
>>2400943>only objects exist, not the relations between themyou can measure "relations"; theyre called physical forces. you cant measure value, so it doesnt exist.
>>2400958>Value is measured billions of times a day. by which tools? radiometers? microscopes?
>one coat is y meter of linenwe dont buy coats with linen. surely you mean that 1 coat = x dollars? that is its price, which has no tangibility if no one accepts its proposition anyway. 1 coat = x dollars? says who?
>>2400959>>2400961>if you dont believe my superstition, you support genocidevery rational and sane.
>>2400860>>2400871>Sports are good, they're certainly an easy way to bring people together and build community. The problem is the left especially in the west still has an aversion to appearing "machismo", which is understandable but something we do need to overcome.See, that's why I think Soccer and Basketball would be both good sports to do. They're relatively inexpensive, they're based on teamwork, you could easily have co-ed teams. It's not "violent machismo" in the same sense as, say, American Football or MMA. Things like knowing how to move as a team are important to any mass action. And in the case of the Fascist BUF, they turned their boxing and rugby clubs into the basis of their Blackshirts/Mosley's personal guard, it's a much easier transition than just telling a bunch of leftists (some of which may barely have interacted with their comrades before) that they have to do community defense now.
One of the big flaws of the Right, I'd believe, is that they would probably lean more towards individualistic combat sports like MMA. And while I think there's no reason Left Wing people shouldn't get into MMA, that's kind of an individualistic sort of violence. It's all about you dueling one guy in the arena. There've been issues with getting UFC fighters to talk about unionizing precisely 'cause it's such an individualistic sport. Team sports would be good for the Left and give us an advantage.
>>2400971not for war crimes, but for colluding the Russiagate hoax.
Obama will be declared unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security by Trump 😩.
libs will say this is racism.
>>2401032When I say it will.
>>2401034When I jerk off and jizz, my jizz causes everything it touches to become communist.
>>2400998>it's cheating when a black man wins war criminal in chiefwell, yes.
see
>>2400975 >>2400991CNN boosting Fuentes is like Bibi boosting Hamas to undermine Fatah. It's going to come back and bite them.
>>2400981They really want to get off this Epstein thing. Trump's most delusional supporters want him to do The Storm where there will be vindication at last. And then Pam Bondi said, no, there's nothing there, we're not releasing the files.
The faithful were denied The Storm. They were promised revelations of adrenochrome parties and trials and executions, and now nothing. That is what they're angry about. It's like being denied the end of the world or the Second Coming of Christ. There's supposed to be a Storm that will start the battle of Armageddon against the liberal communists. This did not happen.
Additionally, Trump handled the non-release in such a way to provoke suspicion. DON'T LOOK! NOTHING TO SEE HERE! HEY, LOOK OVER THERE, SQUIRREL!
>>2401046Wrong.
>>2401032The Great Proletarian Revolution has been in motion since 1918.
>>2401034Any Communist skilled in dialectical materialism can predict the future
>>2400985>money is just a medium of exchangeyes
>to express that commodities are commensurableyes
<due to requiring a similar amount of labor time on average to produce.completely unfounded nonsense statement. i like this claim though, because it is falsifiable; if commodities are able to be commensurated on a basis which excludes relative labour time, then it proves that labour time is NOT the measure of value. lets take the example of a wine bottle. aged wine is always worth more than new wine, despite the fact that no labour is added to it; the same is true for land. in this case, scarcity measures value, not labour time. this means that as a rule, labour time is NOT the determinate factor of price. price is determined by supply and demand, which scarcity also interacts with. this is entirely empirically true, while you depend on dogma.
>>2401008>show me a memoryi dont have the hardware to access other people's encrypted memories. we are getting close to digitally visualising internal sensation though, by translating brain waves into properly pixelated representations. in the future, we will be able to see our own dreams in waking life. lets say that one day, we will be able to see what you think, will you then accept materialism?
>only simple, measurable physical mechanisms are real, everything else is fakeimmeasurable things are unreal, yes - but luckily, all phenomena is potentially measurable (quantifiable, simulable), even the bare imagination.
>>2401062>The faithful were denied The Storm. They were promised revelations of adrenochrome parties and trials and executions, and now nothing. That is what they're angry about. It's like being denied the end of the world or the Second Coming of Christ. There's supposed to be a Storm that will start the battle of Armageddon against the liberal communists. This did not happen.Y'know I think someone on here said they wondered what the "When Prophecy Fails" moment would look like for Q-anon/Trump, but I think the important thing to consider is that when the moment that coined the phrase happened, the preacher in question claimed that "Acktually, we were so pious and good that God decided not to destroy the Earth."
Trump is doing the more retarded thing of saying, basically
>"Epstein? Who's Epstein? I don't know the guy. I never knew the guy. Why do we care about him? Aren't you bored?"Like it'd be if these doomsday preachers turned around and claimed that they never said there was gonna be the second coming on May 16th or whatever. It isn't just "Oh, golly gee, I was wrong". It's straight up "I never said I was gonna do that."
And when the thing in question is literally this manichean struggle against "the cabal" and you make it obvious to everyone with a pulse that you're going to protect said cabal… well, fuck dude. It'd be like finding out you thought you were worshipping the second coming but you really fell for the antichrist. The current Q-Cope is "Trump's doing this to get the whole world talking about Epstein, and then he's gonna turn around and release the files once the Dems dig themselves a big enough hole." But he's obviously not gonna do that. He's in the fucking files. He's Epstein's buddy.
>>2401055Game recognize game.
>>2401065You’re wrong.
>>2401068You are utterly wrong.
>lets take the example of a wine bottle. aged wine is always worth more than new wine, despite the fact that no labour is added to it; the same is true for land.Wrong. The costs of storage of wine barrel, which demands human labor, adds value of bottled wine.
>the same is true for land.Wrong. Land value is determined by improvement labor (clearing, irrigation, roads) Social labor proximity and reproduction cost (fertile soil depletion demands fertilizer labor). Pure land is worthless—Amazon rainforest acreage has no exchange-value until laborers access/chop/develop it.
>>2400919>This is why we oppose Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’ vote against an amendment that would have blocked $500 million in funding for the Israeli military’s Iron Dome program. While the Congresswoman voted against the defense appropriations bill itself, voting against funding for the imperialist military-industrial complex and the Israeli genocide, we were further deeply disappointed by her clarifying statement on her position on the Iron Dome. Along with other US-funded interceptor systems, the Iron Dome has emboldened Israel to invade or bomb no less than five different countries in the past two years. NO expulsion.
NO backbone.
>>2401093>The costs of storage of wine barrel, which demands human labor, adds value of bottled wine.so when does labour "add" value? where is the moment of addition? lets say i have a baseball and i get it signed, then sell it for $1000, is the autograph itself worth $1000 of labour?
>>2401101>it takes labour to pick up a bottleyes, and it takes labour to type this post, but its not valuable, is it?
>>2401150so labour has no value if it isnt sold?
then labour cannot quantify value.
>>2401143people don't demand things that aren't
1: useful
2: require labor to get
because if it's not 1, it's not important
and if it's not 2 it won't cost labor time to acquire (and consequently will not have a price)
scarcity is just a proxy for labor time. the more scarce something is the more labor time it requires to acquire.
>>2401152mud pies aren't useful so nobody wants them, which means they can't be commodities, because they lack use value.
fact: marx never uttered "labor theory of value" in his life and all attempts to prove his ideas wrong hinge on making up a strawman "LTV" to attack. nearly all the decent observations anti-Marx people make Marx already included in his work, which they refuse to read.
>>2401166>people demand useful thingsyes, which is the source of its value
>scarcity is just a proxy for labor timeif i build 100 houses and they all cost $100k
then there are only 10 left and each are $150k
supply and demand explains this, but to you, labour has magically imbued itself into the property. you make metaphysical leaps and bounds to prove the disprovable, like any religious dogmatist.
>>2401167so to you, mudpies are actually valuable because it took labour to make them?
>>2401169answer this:
>lets say i have a baseball and i get it signed, then sell it for $1000, is the autograph itself worth $1000 of labour? >>2401132Back in the day, when they had Soviet funding, the CPUSA used to run a summer camp for workers’ kids.
Of course times have changed and we don’t have the funding we used to, but I think if the communist party is supposed to be a reflection of society as it should be, or pointing to a new society, it needs a superstructure of its own, things like workers dances, or community grilling, or what have you: it should all be a part of that.
Honestly, soccer is inexpensive and in the case of places like SoCal, it already has a cultural background among Hispanic immigrants. I think if the CPUSA were to get involved with rec soccer as a form of community outreach, and maybe tie that into raising legal defense funds for people who’ve been held captive by ICE, it’s got a real winning combo.
I’d submit this to the Party to maybe post as a suggestion on their website or for internal discussion, but at the same time I’ve already suggested it here and—for better or worse—there are some folks on this site that genuinely hate me. If I suggest it and the CPUSA goes with it, then I don’t know if there’d be some email campaign from some of the more psycho types on here to try to dox me or attack the party.
>>2401177>so to you, mudpies are actually valuable because it took labour to make them?To me, personally? No but I’m positive you could whip up some artisanal mud pies and sell them somewhere to someone on the market. So yes they have value under capitalism.
Like you’re argument is that under socialism someone can sit in there yard and make mudpies and be doing work. However that’s only true under capitalism, a socialist economy wouldn’t make mud pies in less there was a use for them. A capitalist economy will do whatever stupid shit like slapping googly eyes on a rock and sell it to well off yuppies that get a kick out of it. So your mudpies only have value under capitalism.
Btw I couldn’t find mudpies for sale but I did find a $305 mudpie making kit.
>>2401225conflating speculate
price with value is very pol, tbh. he hasn't exercised his demons.
>>2401264DOJ just announced Trump’s name were in a lot of the Epstein files according to the WSJ.
So it could be there’s a literal civil war in Trump’s admin. No clue. Would be funny if before they’re fired/quit Pam Bondi or Dan Bongino just say “Yeah Trump is a pedo.”
Most of the people in his former admin hate his guts now, after all. And Bondi is obviously being set up as a scapegoat by the media (Trump is more circling the wagons around her) so it could be someone somewhere got the orders to torch Trump.
>>2401287>>2401290Let’s see how the Qanon casualties subreddit is doing…
Oh.
Oh God.
>Revelations 13:8 >>2401361ZOG or whatever lets america off easy. like if I hire a hitman to kill people so I can take their stuff, that hitman hasn't "occupied" me, I have given the hitman an occupation.
the US government is not "occupied by" zionists, it fundamentally is zionist. It is a zionist government, because zionism is settler-colonialism, imperialism, capitalism, and racism, and the US government was all 4 of those things before Herzl was even born. so zionism is a reflection of manifest destiny just like lebensraum was. America is the father of zionism and nazism, not its child. And if you killed every last zionist in the US government and made AIPAC illegal, that would not stop the US from continuing its other forms of settler-colonialism, racism, capitalism, and imperialism which made it so compatible and friendly too the zionist movement in the first place.
waiting for certain resident gremlins to ignore everything I said above, especially what i put in red to make it easier for them, and call me a philosemitic jewish zionist or something >>2401401I don't think we're going to see a "post Trump" world for a very long time because he's just the flabby face of a lot of economic forces and bourgeois cultural movements.
https://www.programmablemutter.com/p/when-tech-ceos-are-like-grumpy-ducklings?
<Louis de Catheu - Something that is quite striking with the second Trump administration is the part taken by the Tech Bros in his entourage and his coalition. To you, what are the causes of this new alignment between the MAGA movement and Silicon Valley active bosses?
>Henry Farrell - There are a number of areas where they share common interests. One thing, which is always very important to remember, is that they have common enemies. Many people on the Tech right are very much opposed to some of the measures that the Biden administration was associated with.
>The Tech right also harks back to a particular vision of the politics of technology. This line of thinking goes back through people like the authors of the The Sovereign Individual, building on notions from science fiction — Snow Crash and other science fiction dystopias. It more or less suggests: wouldn't it be incredible if we lived in a world in which we did not have to worry about government anymore?
>That vision is very clearly part of the animating vision of Peter Thiel. You also see it in people like Balaji Srinivasan, who wrote a book called The Network State, which suggests that we are going to see a possible breakdown of government and currencies, and the replacement of these by a much less traditional political system organized around technology firms. This will be a new world order in which technology founders will effectively be treated almost as the God Kings of these micro communities. People would be able to move back and forth between these communities according to Albert Hirschman’s logic of exit.
>I think that a pretty strong extreme right libertarian vision has always been a part of the Silicon Valley community — albeit until relatively recently a subordinated part.
>The second thing that is important is a much more immediate set of political tensions, some of which are purely and simply due to people in the Silicon Valley right feeling that they did not get sufficient recognition from the Biden administration. For example, Elon Musk was not invited to the Electric Vehicles Summit in 2021, where people were congratulated on building electric vehicles. Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz have also complained that they were not able to get access to the decision makers — they were fobbed off with second level officials rather than talking to Biden himself and to other people in command. There's a feeling among Silicon Valley elites that they did not get the respect that they purportedly deserve.
>The third thing is that there is an extreme hostility towards unions in Silicon Valley, which goes across the far right through to moderate left Democrat leaning people among the founders. The research of Neil Malhotra, David Broockman, and Gregory Ferenstein, suggests that in many ways Silicon Valley founders and funders are pretty left wing when it comes to a variety of social issues. They are more left wing than you might expect with respect to certain kinds of distributional issues, such as, being more favorable to basic income or to the distribution of welfare. But they are virulently hostile towards anybody who tries to tell them how to do their business. If you read Ross Douthat’s interview with Marc Andreessen in the New York Times a couple of months ago, that comes through very clearly.
>Opposition to woke is a significant part of the new way of thinking about things, but this is not because people have opposition to individual lifestyles, to people getting gender alteration surgery or any of these things. On principle, many people in Silicon Valley often tend to be radically libertarian when it comes to people's lifestyles. What they really objected to was the possibility that other people could tell them what they could or could not do to shape the workplace of their firms. These three forms of opposition helped to explain why you saw the Big Tech and Trump coming together.
<So, they’re ideologically motivated ?
>Yes, but that's not all. If you want to understand the glue that joins the two together right now, I think that you need to look beyond ideology.
>The real glue at the moment has, on the one hand, fear as an important ingredient. It's very clear that the Trump administration is much more willing to intervene on behalf of its temporary friends and against its enemies than previous administrations have been.
>On the other hand, there is a sense of self interest. For example, at the events in the Gulf a few weeks ago, you saw all of these Silicon Valley CEOs trailing behind Donald Trump, like little ducklings trailing after their mother duck — looking to see where they go next, or what they do next. You saw one grumpy little duckling, Elon Musk, who was not part of the main entourage, and was extremely upset because Sam Altman seemed to be getting all of mommy’s love.
>The current blend of self-interest is probably more important than ideology, with both the desire to be cut into whatever deals are happening, and the fear that if you are not part of the core group, you're going to be cut out of them. >>2401415One good thing about these fags wanting to drag you all back to some kind of feudalism is that you'll finally have reason to use your legal guns and explosives and so on.
Can't wait for the video of someone glowstick shakira shakira'ing Bezos's compound and blowing him away.
>>2401421Yeah, the interview goes on to describe how part of their actions are motivated by people not "respecting" them enough, by which they mean they aren't treating them like living gods.
>We're in a world now where Silicon Valley people really began to identify with the idea that they were great men. This is not to say that great men are perfect, but they are people with very large virtues — and very large flaws as well. Silicon Valley founders were going to be world historical colossuses, bestriding the stage, reshaping the world in their image. The appropriate emotions towards them could be terror, could be awe, could be worship, could be hatred, but could never be not taking them seriously.
>Therefore one of the problems that Silicon Valley has had is people not taking them particularly seriously.The US is in chaos because a bunch of midwit losers that think having money means they're god's special little guy are upset that the poors don't appreciate them enough for being so extra special great. They literally think "everyone that doesn't recognize how brilliant I am for having a gorillion dollars and telling a bunch of much smarter people to build the pain nexus and then name it after something from the one book I ever read deserves to die." They're man children.
>>2401425It won't be. We're headed into WW3 or total societal collapse. It is undeniable at this point.
Everyone hates each other, nobody is allowed to move culture forward (see the reaction to transhumanism and cringe culture and capital's vicegrip on culture), food is getting shittier, resources are running out, topsoil is eroding, etc.
The next world encompassing zeitgeist is getting a presidental alert on your iphone telling you ICBMs are incoming.
>>2401424>What's going on in Amerikkka recently, buergernons? Apart from the Epstein stuff being rehashed for the 1000th time, i meanausterity, deregulation, union busting, privatization, usury, prison slavery, protests, killings, etc.
>>2401182labour can only be commoditised if it serves potential consumption - it is the subjective demand which grants labour to be a valuable commodity therefore. labour in itself has no value, and neither do commodities, since a price is just a suggestion, not an innate property.
>>2401188>why do different commodities have different equilibrium prices?"equilibrium" refers to the physical process of diffusion, where molecules will fill up a body in equal volume over a certain time, like how a gas will inevitably spread itself. the same is theorised for prices, that they may fluctuate, but over time, will level out to the same rate, therefore balancing supply and demand. different equilibrium prices then depend on the rate of supply since this is the constant variable.
>deviation from equilibrium price are explained by supply and demandequilibrium = balance of supply and demand
disequilibrium = imbalance of supply and demand
>>2401224so again, the LTV fails to encapsulate the economy.
>>2401222>if you dont believe in my superstition you are a nazimore rationality and sanity
>>2401294exchange is simply the transfer of money, so i could be sleepwalking and buy a commodity, so it doesnt even need to be useful, just salable. there is no necessary factor besides the transfer of ownership of an item.
>>2401630>AOC, Kendrick, Contrapoints stans on leftypolShadowboxing or just retarded?
>AmerikkkaNevermind, retarded
>>2401384they gotta hire someone, right?
alway wondered where bad guys get their henchmen
>>2401554In Amerikkka it is legal to wear a t-shirt driving a motorbike and wheeleing it in the motorway before firing fireworks from your vehicle mounted guns?
Your country is so cancer.
>>2401611>different equilibrium prices then depend on the rate of supply since this is the constant variable.and the rate of supply depends on the rate of production depends on the socially necessary labor time. Now go back and watch the video.
>equilibrium = balance of supply and demandAnd when supply and demand are in balance you have an "equilibrium price" or "natural prices" as they were once called which is different depending on the commodity. since supply and demand cease to explain anything when they cancel each other out, it must be some other factor(s) which causes commodities to have different equilibrium prices from each other, and that factor is, overwhelmingly, socially necessary labor time, at least when we are talking about mass produced commodities in a capitalist economy, which was Marx's object of study (not mud pies or original DaVinci paintings or one-of-a-kind baseball bats autographed by Babe Ruth) "
>disequilibrium = imbalance of supply and demandwhich causes a deviation from the natural price, AKA equilibrium price, AKA value, AKA socially necessary labor time.
>so again, the LTV fails to encapsulate the economy.Marx never even uttered the words "Labor Theory of Value" but his theory of socially necessary labor time was never meant to "encapsulate the whole economy" just to explain the properties of mass produced commodities in an industrial capitalist economy in the time and place he lived in. This is like complaining that classical mechanics fails to account for quantum mechanics. It's like OK, that's not within the scope of what the theory is meant to explain.
>exchange is simply the transfer of money, so i could be sleepwalking and buy a commodity, so it doesnt even need to be useful, just salable. there is no necessary factor besides the transfer of ownership of an item.Listen Wittgenstein, you can redefine words to mean whatever you like within the scope of your own theories but when Marx is talking about commodities he defines them as objects with both use value and exchange value that are mass produced in an industrial capitalist economy. i.e. he is talking about a specific social phenomenon in a specific mode of production, and when he talks about socially necessary labor time as what explains value, he does not mean final market prices but natural/equilibrium prices. So he is discounting certain factors deliberately because his focus is alienation and exploitation of the proletariat, which is part of what he is studying and explaining.
>>2401755>the rate of supply depends on the rate of productionthese are the same thing
>depends on the socially necessary labor time.marxists self-admittedly say that SNLT cannot be measured since it comprises a social aggregate, and so like value, it only exists as a medium between commodities - not as a property within commodities themselves. SNLT has no intrinsic materiality.
>since supply and demand cease to explain anything when they cancel each other out, it must be some other factor(s) which causes commodities to have different equilibrium prices from each otheri will repeat myself - the rate of supply and demand, when in equilibrium, assert the price, based on the rate of supply, as a constant variable. so if i have commodity (x) and commodity (y), the equilibrium price will be either lower or higher based on relative supply. if i produce 1000 (x) and 500 (y) under controlled conditions, then (x) will be cheaper, because there is a greater supply which meets demand.
>marx's theory is outdated and/or incompletemarx's theory seems to be depend on immeasurable variables, so lacks any empirical evidence whatsoever. how would you even "prove" marx correct?
>when Marx is talking about commodities he defines them as objects with both use value and exchange value that are mass produced in an industrial capitalist economyyou can define it however you like, but the real, material relation of economic consumption is merely an act of transference. the thief and the merchant have the same function against the victim of theft or the customer, which is the possession of another's property - trade just facilitates a reciprocal theft. the usefulness of commodities is an irrelevant factor to the imperative of economic circulation.
>>2401956I forget, was dick cheney one of the pedophiles in the government or not
him and W bush are going to live forever
>>2402006People say idpol and isg shit doesn't matter but south park actively shitting on trump is huge vibes that MAGA and the era of conservativism is over, the vibe shift began this year. the pendulum is starting to swing back
gen x and boomers fucking love south park
>>2401903his body look like a spray tanned banana
with a walrus mustache and whack bandana
>>2402158>>2402156If Adam Friedland is the millennial Jon Stewart, then Nick Mullen has to reinvent himself as a hyper-reactionary pundit to be the millennial Colbert.
He needs to be out there talking about his 100+ year old Nazi father and crying at Peter Pan like Jordan Peterson.
>>2401883>Less than 1% of synagogues are anti ZionistEh, it's more than that. Most Jews support Israel but there are like 300,000 American Jews in Satmar which is anti-Zionist. Certain ultra-conservative Hasidic sects really. These simple-minded fanatics just see funny hat = Jew = Zionist.
>>2402158>To be fair he hasn’t been funny since Colbert ReportThat was also satirical which works better in political comedy. Once comedians start getting treated like preachers or political commentators then it's all downhill.
Speaking of Adam Friedland, he gave an interview to Semafor where he was like, do not make people like us into political commentators, because we are not smart people. He thought the network late-night shows were being kept around as some weird legacy product but that they weren't profitable.
>>2402254When it comes to mocking Trump, I think South Park is best suited for it. Like most of the mainline liberal attempts to mock Trump are pretty cringe, you had:
>”Make Donald Drumpf again.” Which… what, is that just a joke that his family’s ancestral name was funny-sounding? It’s weak. I see that misspelling of Trump’s name or plays on it, and it’s never actually funny and just makes you look infantile—I know someone who’ll type Trump as tRump. It’s like a kid that’s afraid of saying an actual swear so they use terms like “crud”. Or, I don’t know, that trend elementary school kids do where they find out the skin of the elbow is called the “wenis” and so they’re giggling about that constantly.
>”Look at how dumb he is!”Yeah he’s dumb, but America loves a dumb guy. One of our most beloved cultural icons is Homer Simpson. It’s why shit like Hillary mocking the fact Trump didn’t know what the nuclear triad was, was pathetic. I don’t know that either, who gives a fuck. It’s trying the goofus and gallant shit while not realizing most Americans love goofus.
South Park is infantile humor, too. But it’s not the “kid too afraid to say a swear word” infantile. It’s a monkey throwing shit at people kind of infantile. And Trump can’t counter that. He works best when put up against a smug prissy snob. South Park is dirtier than him and will just hit below the belt way more.
>>2402299>"muh degeneracy"where do i imply this sentiment?
personal freedom and pluralism are liberal values.
>>2402312because communism erases individuality in service of the collective. thats why property is prohibited.
>>2402315ownership means possessing property, no?
>>2402321owning a house is owning property
is property permitted under communism?
>>2402322personal freedom entails self-ownership, and self-ownership is a primary form of property. this then extends into appropriation by labour, as john locke explains. most anarchists (the residue of the traditional french left, and so the torchbearers of the french revolution) understand this, so see ownership as the necessary precondition of liberation (i.e. workers owning the means of production). liberal philosophers like j.s. mill also concur - communism appears to give property rights to the state however, which then makes one subject to the will of others; an illiberal imperative. the confiscation of property also violates the basic clause of personal freedom, since one cannot own what he works for. if we cannot own the fruits of our labour, then we cannot own ourselves.
>>2402332china is a capitalist country.
>>2402327so private property will exist in american communism?
>>2402332N-NOO DELETE THIS
MY NARRATIVE
C-COMMUNISM IS ABOUT YOU OWNING NOTHING
>>2402341whats the difference?
>>2402338what if i want to sell my house?
>>2402350and yet they have less people who "goon" and "change their bodies"
wow, it's almost as if that metric is flawed, someine should write a reply mocking that and post it here………….
>>2402260You want communism because you want to unban games.
I want communism because I want all gamers gulaged.
We are not the same.
>>2402345if you cant sell what you own,
then you dont own it
youre just borrowing it
the rights of ownership are reserved for someone else then - namely, the government.
>>2402372You realize you're calling Marx un-materialist right?
Where do all these left anti-communist come from?
Should be mandatory to have read at least The German Ideology and Gotha Program to post on this site.
>>2402394it's largely stirner calling this or that "spook" and proposing properly "egoist" alternatives and then marx going "no u" and calling him an idealist
"Stirner’s critique of the idealism latent within Feuerbachian humanism had a
resounding effect on Marxism. It forced Marx to take account of the ideological
constructions in his own notions of human essence that he derived to some
extent from Feuerbach. Although Stirner never directly criticized Marx, The
Ego and His Own inspired criticism of Marx’s latent humanism from many
quarters.Marx himself was shocked by Stirner’s work into what is seen by
some Marxists as a decisive break with humanism and with the notion of a
moral or humanistic basis for socialism. He was clearly troubled by Stirner’s
suggestion that socialism was tainted with the same idealism as Christianity and
that it was full of superstitious ideas like morality and justice. This is manifested
in the relentless, vitriolic, and sarcastic attack on Stirner, which the largest part
of the German Ideology is devoted to. The German Ideology represents a
cathartic attempt by Marx to tarnish Stirner with the same brush that he himself
had been tarnished with—that of idealism—while, at the same time trying to
exorcise this demon from his own thought.Marx saw the application of
Stirner’s work for his own revolutionary socialism and he used Stirner’s critique
of idealism while, at the same time, accusing Stirner himself of idealism. Stirner
showed Marx the perils of Feuerbachian humanism, forcing Marx to distance
himself as much as possible from his earlier stance.
The early humanism of Marx, found in the Economic and Philosophical
Manuscripts of 1844, stands in contrast to his later materialism. The
Manuscripts are founded on the notion of the “species being” and they describe
the way in which private property alienates man from his own species. There is
a notion of human essence—an image of a happy, fulfilled man who affirms his
own being through free, creative labor. Marx’s early humanism bears the
unmistakable imprint of Feuerbach. For Marx, man is estranged from his
“species being” by abstract forces such as private property, and it is with the
overthrow of private property that man reclaims himself—thus everything
becomes “human.”For Marx, man is essentially a communal, social creature
—it is in his essence to seek the society of others. Man and society exist in a
natural bond in which each produces the other. Man can only become complete,
become the “object” when he affirms this social essence, when he becomes a
social being. "
>>2402422Not that guy but it's Kickstart My Heart by Motley Crue
It's shit
>>2402434BLAHBLAHBLAH WANTING TO LOOK AT TREES OR ANYTHING BESIDES THE A/C UNIT OF THE APARTMENT NEXT TO YOU IS BOURGEOIS HUMANIST SWILL YOU WILL BE LINED UP AGAINST THE WALL REACTIONARY
and so on and so on
>>2402432yeah and I wasn't the guy who asked about the song I just wanted to give him a hard time.
>It's shitCorrect!
>>2402383Yknow egoist anon pointed out that in that “new GamerGate” stuff, a lot of it are basically evangelicals using radical feminism as a front group to achieve their political aims. And I remember waaaay back when the OG GamerGate was a thing, there was an interview with Jack Thompson I believe, who was this right wing lawyer that got famous for feuding with Rockstar Games and losing his license launching constantly frivolous lawsuits about games he never played. Like he said that the game “Bully” was a columbine simulator.
Anyways, during the interview there’s a part where he’s talking about feminists and video games, and I swear you can see the gears turn, I think he even basically says that feminists were doing a much better job than he did.
And honestly, it makes sense that more clever evangelical types would adopt “woke” stuff as a means of achieving political aims. You already see this with “uhh, Israel is a decolonial project” shit. God ain’t just dead today, but rotting. It used to be the Catholic Church would dictate what movies good Catholics could watch, now I think they don’t even try. Invoking God and Country aren’t the motivators they once were. But masking the old nonsense under layers of academic jargon that sounds progressive? That still works. No one gives a fuck about God anymore but they still care about women’s rights in the abstract.
There really isn’t, as others have said, much shade between “woke” and evangelical Christianity. Look at Ukraine if you wanna see how woke can serve neocon ends. Shit, if the pentagon wanted then I guarantee, coming up with some absurd rumor that Mao was a pervert that abused women would do plenty to advance consent for war with China. No one gives a damn if you kill one hundred gorillion people, Infinity War had a bad guy snap his fingers and make half of all life disappear. We’re used to big blockbuster death tolls. Death doesn’t matter, life is cheap. Hollywood already discovered that you could make a character more hatable by having him kick a dog than by having him blow up a train car of people. Play up China’s sexism, harken back to “parents killed female babies”, turn Chinese culture into “sexism” as much as the Ukraine war has made Russian culture into “war for wars sake” in the eyes of libs. Then you’ll get armies of losers trying to “save the Chinese women from their evil patriarchal government.”
Shit, after the Afghanistan withdrawal, I heard NPR do a piece on the sad closure of some Afghan girls’ soccer team. I’ve seen people respond to that silly Afghan tourism video with “There’s only men in it because Afghanistan is an InCel country.” Shit, there you go. If someone talks about easing sanctions up on Afghanistan, just call them an incel. You can kill any discussion or sympathy with that. If you want Afghanistan to be less impoverished, you hate women.
>>2402450>Renting isn't even that fucking bad.lol, lmao even
were you reading the posts of that guy battling eviction and homelessness and utility shutoffs and legal action and shit
>>2402472The landlord is a small business and the tenement hall is the means of production. It's only confused by the fact that housing remains largely nonindustrialized.
>>2402474> trusting the copsYou know the purpose of CPS is to breakup minority families right? The CPS does jackshit to protect gay kids and others exploited and abused by the homeowners. And okay, some parents are equally opportunity exploiters.
IDGAF about the small businesses of small homeowners. I want to evict you and industrialize housing.
>>2402442Yknow the funny thing about Marx is that at the time he was writing, there was this kind of Victorian optimism—all this new technology, all this “progress”—that to some extent entered into Marx’s work as well. Like he talks about the “wonders” of Capitalism rivaling the great wonders of antiquity. I can absolutely guarantee he’d see something like air conditioners as a wonder, too—“we’ve advanced so much we can absolutely control the climate of our homes! Wow!”
So of course the dour moralists who call themselves communists today regard it as an awful luxury that degrades the virtues of toil.
>>2402511Fuck are you talking about pets for?
I'm talking about queer kids kicked out on the street because the labor aristokkkrats are desperate to avoid the industrialization of housing and their coming proletarianization.
>>2402442>A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls.
>An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch06.htm Unique IPs: 152