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How exactly should we react when a cultural icon (or person with a decent amount of cultural significance) is revealed to be a Zionist?

I know there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism, but seeing cultural figures be openly pro-Zionism especially when the Zionist entity is engaged in an overt genocide and mass-starvation is honestly disgusting. I was told that the main purpose of BDS isn’t to “crash” the Zionist entity’s economy but rather to expose how engulfed modern culture is in Zionism, like when you realize boycotting is near impossible because entire industries have ties to the Zionist entity such as the music and film industries.

Soft power is a lot more powerful than we realize and even using a term like “Israeli salad” or working with a Zionist settler normalizes Zionist colonialism and genocide. What must we do to end this? And how should we treat notable figures who are pro-Zionist given that they normalize Zionism and manufacture consent for genocide at all times?
76 posts and 10 image replies omitted.

>>2405041
>le normalization
shitlib


>>2403722
A lot of celebrities supported Huey P back in the day.

You should be pirating all your music and indulging in celebrity gossip makes you retarded, on god

>>2403736
That entire album is pure fire.

Too bad streaming it funds genocide.

>>2403717
Frankly, that sad, old, sick man was a puppet in the hands an unscrupolous manager - his own wife - who btw happens to belong to a very specific ethno-religious group. And no, that group is not the Brummies.
That said, certain "music icons" are only considered such because they belong to the boomer generation and they were to other boomers what Taylor Swift or people like that are to kids today or what Frank Sinatra was for teenage girls in the 30s and 40s. If you consider them on their artistic merit, they were boiling crap. I mean, do you really think shit like Black Sabbath ever had any musical value? Come on…
Actually, Hulk Hogan having kicked the bucket makes me more sad than the "prince of darkness" passing, despite being a mIga-tard recently and having always been a massive pathological narcissist - in the 80s he ratted out on Jesse Ventura when he wanted to unionise the pro wrestlers after he saw the benefits of unionisation in the cinema industry after he starred in Predator. That was fucked up, not least because Governor Ventura is a chill guy and he managed to get elected governor running against both Rs and Ds.

>>2406008
>Frankly, that sad, old, sick man was a puppet in the hands an unscrupolous manager - his own wife -

Can we stop this? Ozzy had agency. If he was disgusted by his wife’s views he could have left her at any time.

>>2404920
you cant call others liberal when you reduce imperialism to specific government policies LOL

>>2406008
The first three Black Sabbath albums are unimpeachable in terms of quality rock music, they might seem quaint to you but that’s because they were so influential on all the hard rock and metal that came afterwards. This isn’t an endorsement of Ozzy’s politics or lifestyle.

>>2406065
I don't know, really… I mean, he's been fucked up for decades. I remember he was already a trembling husk like in the early 2000s when they put up that awful "reality show" about him and his family on mtv, which also served to launch their two children's "careers" - Kelly put some music out and everyone quickly forgot about it, while her brother tried like to be a tv host or something and he failed big time too. If you ask me if I think he was legally incapable or something, I would say no, and I guess his opinions were his own after all, yet when someone has clear limits to his personal autonomy, I wouldn't be so clear cut he couldn't be under a greater degree of influence by someone close to him than an average person that hasn't got delirium tremens and god knows how many other neurological troubles after decades of alcohol and drug abuse - and a bat head eaten raw live on stage.
So, in the end, fuck him, fuck Sharon, fuck Kelly, fuck Kelly's brother - so bland I can't even remember his name. They had another daughter too, but she's always had the good taste to never appear in public during their shenanigans.

>>2406097
If BS deserve to be remember, it's 99% because of Iommi's guitar sound. That was a long lasting influence. Around 2011/12 I've listened to every BS album from the Ozzy era. Back then I started downloading flac files like there were no tomorrow. I wanted cd quality stuff, not scrumpy mp3s. And I didn't want to pay. I guess they'd just released a remastered edition of their whole catalogue. I remember enjoying their first albums, but the last two or three - from the mid 70s - where really forgettable. I also got like the first album with Dio and the one with Gillan. The Gillan one had a shitty mastering, supposedly due to some damage to the original tapes.
As far as solo Ozzy is concerned, his 80s works were basically mtv-compliant hair metal, with some cool guitar leaks - Randy Rhodes first, then after he died, the other guy with the guitar painted with circles, can't remember his name now. That was when he was already under the complete professional control of his wife. Her father was the original BS manager, she learned the ropes working as her secretary and when Ozzy was kicked out of the band because he was fucked up with booze and drugs all the time, she brought him to America and launched his solo career, while also having a nasty break up with her father, like they only get back to friendly terms decades later and he couldn't meet his grandchildren until they were already in their teens.

>>2403971
They should blast disco music at his farewell. It would become something like the infamous "disco demolition night" but with roles reversed.

There's this sick asf Ozzy video on my site right now

yall mfs need to read Bernays the left is so dog shit at propaganda

>>2403736
In all fairness, Alc has been making the same beat over and over again for the past 15 years now.

He's senile. I doubt he even knows what a "Palestine" is.


>>2403717
Boycott them entirely.

Palestinians aren't buying your excuses.

>>2406339
The Alchemist?

>>2406008
>That said, certain "music icons" are only considered such because they belong to the boomer generation and they were to other boomers what Taylor Swift or people like that are to kids today or what Frank Sinatra was for teenage girls in the 30s and 40s. If you consider them on their artistic merit, they were boiling crap.
I half agree. You're not wrong that Black Sabbath is considered important because of the boomers, but they've would've seemed fresh in 1970. You have to give the boomers credit for making a lot of original stuff at one point. It's just that it has been more than 50 years since then because these zombies just won't die, and there's like 10,000 Black Sabbath boomer tribute bands playing their songs in bars because they're not that complicated to learn. Dummmm Dummmm DURM DRUM DURRMMRMMMM.

But Ozzy was also too trashy, canivalesque and schlocky to get the overloaded treatment that David Bowie did. I like Bowie but he's the sort of musician that art critics would get carried away praising as some human godling. I almost have to hate on Bowie a bit because no human being can possibly be that good. It's even worse with Lou Reed because he didn't have any talent at all. Ozzy is at less of a disadvantage because he was dumb enough and his music tastless enough to scare off the art critics while remaining appealing to the hoi polloi. He also came from a working-class background of factory workers and kept his highly regional English accent.

>I remember he was already a trembling husk like in the early 2000s when they put up that awful "reality show" about him and his family on mtv

American trash TV at its finest.

>>2406541
>I half agree. You're not wrong that Black Sabbath is considered important because of the boomers, but they've would've seemed fresh in 1970. You have to give the boomers credit for making a lot of original stuff at one point. It's just that it has been more than 50 years since then because these zombies just won't die, and there's like 10,000 Black Sabbath boomer tribute bands playing their songs in bars because they're not that complicated to learn. Dummmm Dummmm DURM DRUM DURRMMRMMMM.
Yeah, I guess their esthetic - the dark themes, the name of the band, the heavier sound - was something new compared to the hippie/flower-power/fake eastern philosophies thing of the time, even if they were basically the same as almost every other 20-something of the time: long hair, psychedelic shirts, bell-bottom trousers, a few of them even sporting big moustache, the whole thing basically.
It has to be said, tho, that others were already experimenting with certain themes: take Arthur Brown for example or Screamin' Jay Hawkins many years before, then Alice Cooper, who got inspired by Grand Guignol and Vaudeville theatre. Also, mainstream bands like the Kinks, the Yardbirds and others already had an heavier, more distorted sound than the Beatles or the Rolling Stones.
The thing is, especially in the musical press, many boomers are still active and influential and even when they retire or kick the bucket altogether, they have still groomed later generations to their own tastes and proclivities, so you often get comparisons and references to muh Lennon-MacCartney or muh Jagger-Richards or muh Twentyseven club. If instead of them, cultural egemenony in that field were wielded by women who were children or teenagers in the early eighties, we'd constantly got references to Simon Le Bon, Tony Hadley, Howard Jones, Gahan and Gore and so on.

>But Ozzy was also too trashy, canivalesque and schlocky to get the overloaded treatment that David Bowie did. I like Bowie but he's the sort of musician that art critics would get carried away praising as some human godling. I almost have to hate on Bowie a bit because no human being can possibly be that good. It's even worse with Lou Reed because he didn't have any talent at all. Ozzy is at less of a disadvantage because he was dumb enough and his music tastless enough to scare off the art critics while remaining appealing to the hoi polloi. He also came from a working-class background of factory workers and kept his highly regional English accent.

Well, there couldn't be a better contrast than between Ozzy and Bowie, really! DB was the quintessential art school kid, he was all conceptual and intellectual, and he reinvented himself a few times, like when he created all his personas and then he killed them to open a different chapter. And he definitely had full artistic control of his output. On the other hand, Ozzy, after his brain was completely gone in the late 70s and he was sacked from BS, was "reinvented", yes, but by his own wife-manager, they moved to America and then, after they had him detoxed enough to make him look somewhat functioning, they jumped on the early mtv-driven train of so called "hair metal", with him being backed by younger, cooler and technically competent musicians, while selling his "prince of darkness" angle: he was a thirty something - and quite knackered - guy with a wife and kids, so he couldn't do the Motley Crew routine - 24/7 cocked up and sexed up with a bunch of playboy's playmates always around - and instead they pushed for the "satanic" thing, a cunning play in America, with all that moral panic and crazy evangelicals.


>>I remember he was already a trembling husk like in the early 2000s when they put up that awful "reality show" about him and his family on mtv

>American trash TV at its finest.
To be fair, all that shitshow looked very classy and cultured if compared to later radioactive waste like the Kardashians. At least, they were quite natural and they were capable of genuine humor at times, while the plasticky heiresses of the notorious Armenian lawyer are the non plus ultra of fakeness in every aspect of their being.

>>2406579
>Yeah, I guess their esthetic - the dark themes, the name of the band, the heavier sound - was something new compared to the hippie/flower-power/fake eastern philosophies thing of the time, even if they were basically the same as almost every other 20-something of the time
Yeah, awhile ago I watched much of a show from 1970 and they struck me as part of that whole psychedelic generational vibe. It does not look like a distinct "genre" thing with all its cliches as metal does now, more "a rock band from 1970." But also edgy and aggressive by the standards of the time with the headbanging. They really took off in the U.S. and it was their success here that made them big.

>It has to be said, tho, that others were already experimenting with certain themes: take Arthur Brown for example or Screamin' Jay Hawkins many years before, then Alice Cooper, who got inspired by Grand Guignol and Vaudeville theatre.

Yeah. But I'd say Alice Cooper was more of a pop act for teenage girls. Men would listen to Ozzy. You could sell his t-shirts at Hot Topic and play his music at biker bars.

>his own wife-manager … being backed by younger, cooler and technically competent musicians, while selling his "prince of darkness" angle

Hahaha yes.

>and instead they pushed for the "satanic" thing, a cunning play in America, with all that moral panic and crazy evangelicals.

That too. His act was devilish enough to get a reaction in the 1980s.

>To be fair, all that shitshow looked very classy and cultured if compared to later radioactive waste like the Kardashians. At least, they were quite natural and they were capable of genuine humor at times

Yeah it seemed like they just let the camera roll and it was comedic because of the contrast betwen Ozzy Osbourne the famous rock star living a Simpsons-like family life with his dog shitting on the carpet. Reality show later turned into its own schtick where you have "reality show" actors who are putting on an act.

>>2403717
Meh I still enjoy art made by reactionaries and libs, to loosely paraphrase Aristotle:
"it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

>>2406675
Aristotle was a pedophile.

>>2406680
Not possible since that word wasn’t invented yet

“Zionists In Music” is the epitome of a hyper-moralist, absolutist account.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re run by hasbara trolls to divide and create confusion among Palestine activists.

>>2406795
They're right, it's just a total waste of time to spend their time trying to point this out.

>>2406795
i watched the story and they're right, if anything "condemning the perpetrators of Oct 7 as despicable" is obfuscation and zionist apologia, even if it's followed by "israel has gone too far". I don't think anyone should be scoring brownie points for that shit. But also who cares for some literal who being scolded by a smallish account.

>>2406878
The only people who would flip their shit over something like that are trolls trying to create unnecessary strife within the Palestine movement.

>>2406908
Im not sure anyone within the solidarity movement even knows or cares, social media slap fights does not impact anyone or anything materially either way.

>>2406878
The bare minimum is better than nothing.

>>2406912
I'm not saying it as a way to scold people, if the goal. Is to not "confuse" Palestinian activists then it stands to reason that we should be really REALLY consistent at not condemning the only means of Palestinian liberation and have total moral clarity on this. Equivocating on Hamas allows zionist rhetoric to sneak in.

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>>2406919
And I'm saying this so YOU don't get confused, when liberal zionists that helped advance the genocide start feigning concern over gazans to clean their own act, now that the genocide is unpalatable. you're about to see a lot of this shit. If anything it should be pedagogical for you.

>>2406910
>Im not sure anyone within the solidarity movement even knows or cares
Not about that unknown hack specifically, but they're picking on the latest hasbara trend of people putting their foot down and saying starving children is a step too far but still abetting the ongoing genocide regardless because Hamas is le evil, possibly even reframing the starvation as Israel being too incompetent, and not as a deliberate effort of extermination.

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>>2406958
forgot pic

Combat Liberalism

This is actually where I take a Nietzchean approach: we specs so much of our lives trying to shoehorn ourselves into a moral box that we forget to live-live. Who gives a shit if popular musicians aren’t Hamas warriors? I don’t expect them to be and I won’t judge them for not living up to principles they never claimed to hold. And I see zero reason to boycott their music or “cancel” them.

If I never claimed to be vegan, should I face scrutiny for eating meat? Just a thought.

>>2403717
if you want to be rich and successful as a musician, actor etc you pretty much have to pledge allegiance to israel, criticising it is social/career suicide

>>2403722
This, kind of

>>2407167
Israel is unique in that aspect? If you criticized Ukraine and took Russia’s side in the war you’d also be cancelled in a heartbeat.

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>>2407158
>This is actually where I take a Nietzchean approach … Who gives a shit if popular musicians aren’t Hamas warriors?
I'm similar to you on this one. Through an act of Nietzschean will to power, if I like a musician, I'll be like "this rocks." If I don't like it: "this sucks." It doesn't matter how popular they are or what the rock critics said about them. I have a very transactional attitude towards these people: I pay them, they entertain me.

People are crazy about musicians. But what's that saying, "don't meet your idols?" I understand teenagers who gather near a band's tour bus in the hope of meeting some singer. But the last time I saw that happen (a few weeks ago), I saw a bunch of grown men doing it as I was leaving. It was a metal concert. I'm like, man, I dunno. I enjoyed the show, but I got what I wanted and don't have an interest in extending this relationship further.

>>2407191
>If you criticized Ukraine and took Russia’s side in the war you’d also be cancelled in a heartbeat.
If you took Russia's side in the war, yeah. I liked what Limp Bizkit did where Fred Durst was deepfaked Putin and Zelensky was on the keys. It made fun of Putin a bit, but it wasn't an anti-Putin song like you'd think. It was a "let's all get along, we're actually all on the same team."

>>2407158
I'm not sure how wholly I agree, it's obviously stupid to expect rich musicians to be stalwart allies of palestine, but at the same time, some of them post the stupidest shit and like some bitches deserve the right to shut the fuck up, especially if they manage huge visible platforms

>>2407158
I mean, speaking out against genocide should be what any decent person does. And not just a wishy washy "THERE ARE BAD GUYS ON BOTH SIDES" but condemning the actual genocide.

>>2407488
Protip: no one in their right mind os going to run around screaming all Israelis be killed. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Hmmmmmm

>>2408190
what the fuck is she doing at the end lol

>>2408190
I can't believe she's still touring.

Anyway, I remember the theatre kids digging this song in high school.

I don’t care and will never care about the political opinions of pop stars.

There is room for struggle in every arena. Arts and culture matter. If it is relevant to have these conversations to reach less politically conscious people, we should take them.

>>2411050
>we need to preach to the Masses and engage in culture wars to Convince them
insufferably middle class post

>There is room for struggle in every arena

its always the most politically inert who spout this shit LOL

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Dude peaked with Sabbath and should have just OD'd in the eighties instead of being salvaged by his zionist bitch wife tbh.

>>2411050
Bourgeois and objectively false.

>>2411161
It's amazing Ozzy lived to be 76 TBH. He did so much drugs in the 80s he could have dropped each at any movement.


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