/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Antisemites get the wall.

>Hitler was a crypto-Zionist
I mean this isn't even wrong

>>2403915
>Going full Ye and doing actual antisemitism definitely isn't the answer, but the wounds are so raw. People can only see so many baby decapitation videos before they lose their minds.
I think that's part of it. But I'd rather dispense with the moralism. The moralfagging around this is someone says "that's bad" and someone else says "maybe but look at what Israel is doing, that's worse." I think it's more unhealthy, counterproductive, stupid. I can think of other words for it.

The thing with Ye is that nothing he is saying is actually deep or interesting or has any strategic logic to it. "The Jews took my kids away, Heil Hitler." "The Jews control everything, they even put Hitler into power."

I'm pretty sure Israel isn't really threatened by that. People are really mistaken to think that the ADL or whatever Zionist organization bringing attention to this stuff is evidence of their own threat level. Negative attention is interpreted as proof of power. They don't realize that the ADL might do that because it's part of their own grift, and that they have an interest in portraying their enemies as total cranks. (Neo-Nazis once had a habit of calling up the SPLC – which is also a grift btw – and not only feeding them information about other wignats, but trying to get profiles of themselves written up on Hatewatch because it'd enhance their status within the wignat movement.) "They're afraid of us, that means we're getting close to the truth."

But you know what I don't think the Israeli government wants? It's their enemies looking united, disciplined, and strong. Or being those things. It's how they present themselves to their own people.

I like the paintings Caitlin Johnstone's been making lately lol. Everyone is getting redpilled.

The genocide is awful. The “you’re antisemitic if you’re upset about kids dying is similarly enraging.

However I’m a white guy and I got scolded on here when I said that Israel’s crimes might’ve made me a tad antisemitic, so I’ll simply defer to the socially acceptable opinions of a black guy saying, essentially, “Jewish supremacy runs the world.”

Palestine isn’t just about “Palestine.” It’s about forcing the West to look in the mirror and re-examine its core moral values. That’s why the left cares more about Palestine than every other international crush’s going on right now. Congo and Sudan may have a higher death count but they don’t force westerners into an existential crisis whereby they have to come to terms with themselves.

OP are you functionally illiterate? The conspiracy theory that Jewish bankers helped Hitler is not a pro-Hitler theory. The guy is getting kooky but he is not getting pro-Hitler.

>BREAKING NEWS; Nazi on Twitter
They also both write like bots so you’re literally telling us these bots deserve the spectacle enough for it’s own thread.

this is one of those
>reply 1: it's not true
>reply 2: it doesn't matter if it's true anyway
>reply 3: it's true but fuck off, you sound like a chud saying it!
threads isn't it?

>>2403993
>Palestine isn’t just about “Palestine.” It’s about forcing the West to look in the mirror and re-examine its core moral values.
I think this being the focus of a lot of Palestine activism is the problem with it. What the people in power care about is relationships of power. This stuff about "the West" having to look in a mirror about their "moral values" is a fog that people get lost in.

>>2403915
Apologize

>>2404020
someone less privileged than you should ban you

>>2404029
what does that even mean?

>>2404063
it means you should be banned permanently from life by a favela child and a motorcycle

Typical Leftypol: antisemitism is only bad when black people do it . But when white Ukrainians do it for decades it’s fine because they are oppressed by commies .
In all seriousness both are anti semites but you only cal out one group

>>2404112
Those groups (especially in Eastern Europe) are usually the personal playthings of glowie groups. Which should tell you something about these sorts of groups. The Ukrainian ones under the SBU etc. and the Russian spooks having their own pet Nazis.

>>2404142
I do think a lot of Nazism among poor communities is s psyop. Overlaps a lot with crime.

Unfortunately it's reality that low autism score retards will start to generalize and essentialize entire groups of people based on the actions of some. It's to be expected. No need to accept it tho, all essentialism/racism is purely retarded and should be treated as such

Don't know who that is but he is based and you are cringe.

>>2404069
Why would a favela kid be moderating leftypol?

>>2404142
But that what the Nazis are, dogs of capital. They'll never have their own "Nazi" state. History has moved on.

That's why the losers at /pol/ , whatever hat they wear on Ukraine, largely reject Ukronazis as "real Nazis". They hate looking themselves in the mirror.

>>2404408 (me)
And this goes for Zionism as well. The average "based" rightoid window shopping for their perfect kind of fascism will find that, IRL, political legitimacy in the sphere of NATO is intrinsically linked to Zionism (as is the case for Ukraine as well).

the claims presented are just obviously false though. hitler was on the payroll of german industrialists, which is why during the night of the long knives he killed the political opposition within his own party. ernst rohm (leader of the SA - brownshirts) was to the left of hitler, so he was purged. goebbels was also to the left of hitler and was subordinated in his position for the same reason.

From the guy's Twitter:
<People who like Hitler are the absolutely dumbest people in politics and i’m willing to debate ANYONE over it

>>2404413
>ernst rohm (leader of the SA - brownshirts) was to the left of hitler, so he was purged. goebbels was also to the left of hitler and was subordinated in his position for the same reason.
Ernst Rohm was a homosexual that considered the nazi revolution unfinished.

If Rohms clique had won out in the nazi movement the Holocaust probably happens earlier

I don't know how you can conclude Rohm was "left of Hitler" whatever that means

>>2404373
wdym by a psyop? those certainly exist but i think that theyre responsible for a minority compared to the pipeline of prison gangs & "neonazi" presence in drug trade. assuming youre referring to things like locally relevant white power-themed gangs in genuinely poor areas, and not stuff like The Base thats an obvious fed project recruiting real fascist ideologues & assorted sociopaths, or patriot front thats mostly middle class reactionary youth at the very least infiltrated to the gills

Antisemitism have no place in Gaza.

>>2404507
kek

combat sports = repeated brain injury = chvdism
ask yourself why the golden era of chvd between 20 and 40 happened in countries with dozen of millions of men who operated artillery 12 hours of day for 4 years in WW1

>>2404516
You are reversing cause and effect

I knew that people here just make up shit about books they haven't read, but why can't you even check a Twitter profile before denouncing somebody? Revolutionary Blackout posted some conspiracy nonsense, but he is evidently anti-Hitler and anti-Fascist.

>>2403915
>blaming the alleged Jewish cabal is the only way to understand the last 80 years of late capitalism
Antisemitism is the socialism of fools, read Marx radlib! There's countless other finance imperialist bourgeoisie besides the Rothchilds or whoever conspiracy theorists fixate on as the cause of everything
>>2404112
>Typical Leftypol: antisemitism is only bad when black people do it . But when white Ukrainians do it for decades it’s fine
Black people: attempting to explain capitalism but fumbling hard into conspiratorial Farrakhan dogshit
Ukrainians: Actually did the holocaust, and were so demonicly evil that they shocked actual German nazis

>>2405670
marx himself was antisemitic

>Should the same be applied to the Jewish people (or at least Israeli Jews)?
Collective guilt should be placed on Zionists with a greater weight on anyone more imminently involved in realizing Israel‘s settler colonial goal.

>>2403958
No one is saying what Ye said is socially acceptable.

>>2403958
>jewish supremacy
you mean ashkenazi supremacy? israel mistreats sephardic and ethiopian jews as much as arabs. its a white supremacist project.

>>2405681
Talking about Revolutionary Blackout, not Ye. More commenting on the fact that as long as you’re the right shade you can say some absolutely horrendous shit and there’ll still be people trying to say “Now what does this mean exactly?” Or “Well I can understand why they’re saying this, buuuut”

It’s kids gloves, basically.

>>2405690
I’m referencing the tweet, where Revolutionary Blackout says “Jewish supremacy dominates the world”

>>2405690
>israel mistreats sephardic and ethiopian jews as much as arabs
Completely mind numbing statement to read. The "Jewish State" is not white supremacist like what some leftists say, it's legally and ideologically Jewish supremacist. Non-Ashkenazis have faced discrimination but gladly partake in the settlements, military and society broadly whereas Arabs are actively exterminated wherever Israel is occupying them.
Since the Western powers with the US at the helm wholeheartedly have supported Israel and the genocide, with the UN doing nothing to stop it, you can feasibly say Jewish supremacists run the world.

>>2405826
>if fascist A are allied with fascists B that means fascist B runs the state of fascist A

retard

>>2405826
I think the issue between the Ashkenazism and Mizrahim was more a 1950s/1960s thing when these penniless Yemeni Jewish migrants were showing up and living in camps, and the Ashkenazi parents became freaked out about their daughters marrying these spicy Middle Eastern Jewish guys. But I've read since then that the Mizrahim constitute the biggest Arab-haters in Israel of all, and have historically sided with Likud, who represented them against the Ashkenazi elite. Look at the guys who constitute Beitar Jerusalem ultras, it's a bunch of Mizrahi guys who chant anti-Arab slogans.

>>2405841
i personally know several lmao. there are plenty, especially young in the US, but they are essentially exiled from participation in 99% of jewish institutions so those institutions are able to very effectively project the impression that there is total unity of opinion.

>a fucking nazi

what a great source for serious views, especially a grounded perspective on jews lmao

>>2405826
>you can feasibly say Jewish supremacists run the world.
I think you can Jewish supremacy is more salient there than white supremacy. But this "run the world" stuff is where you lose me. People get into this mindset where they think Zionism is the root cause of the world's problems. People make a choice to believe that because it makes things very simple. If you destroy Israel you can solve everything. There have been American police departments that have trained with Israeli cops, but it's not like the Arabs winning and getting rid of Israel (either through embargo or through military means) and replacing it with a Palestinian state is going to eliminate police brutality in America. That's an American problem that predates Israel. If you think about it at all logically. It's not like those cops only figured out how to beat up black people when the IDF trainers showed up.

>>2404112
>Typical Leftypol: antisemitism is only bad when black people do it . But when white Ukrainians do it for decades it’s fine because they are oppressed by commies .
actually unintelligible, also most people on this website support russia (from what i've said)
have you even been on this site for 5 minutes

>>2405900
russians are the israelis of europe, they love victimizing themselves
it comes as no surprise that the majority of settlers come from russia

>>2405906
Were you kicked in the head by a mule or something

>>2403915
We need to kill any kind of rat switching sides unironically. Cut his tendons off but let him live and squirm so you dont get so many years.

>>2405826
>The "Jewish State" is not white supremacist like what some leftists say, it's legally and ideologically Jewish supremacist. Non-Ashkenazis have faced discrimination but gladly partake in the settlements, military and society broadly whereas Arabs are actively exterminated wherever Israel is occupying them.

yes, and its an important point. its a copout to attribute it to simple white supremacy, and it would be equivelant to saying that white supremacy isnt a force in the world because whites discriminate against eachother in ireland and the balkans (both cases with much more severe and bloody ethnic/sectarian divides than between jewish ethnicities in israel

>you can feasibly say Jewish supremacists run the world.

no, that's an unhelpful way to phrase it and is misleading. the people who run the world, i.e. US/atlanticist imperial apparatus & international capital, fully support jewish supremacy in the context of israel and support the promotion of jewish supremacy insofar as it advances their shared interests with israel. this does absolutely mean that jewish supremacists are given something close to carte blanche in atlanticist media & politics and have used that effectively to cultivate & cement a base of support not entirely dependent on ruling political/capitalist approval (i.e. while its true that israel is entirely dependent on US support, its not true that zionists are MERELY a proxy/useful idiotd for US empire, they cobsistently and effectively pursue their own interests independent of and sometimes contradicting that relationship, e.g. just this month drawing US into bombing iran).

but it is not true that the global ruling class (to the extent that it can be simplified in such a way) is identical with jewish supremacists. i think its possible, even plausible, that in the coming decades hostility will grow between US capitalist managers/evangelical ideologues and zionist interests as israel continues to push harder and farther and the younger generations in the west at the very least lose the uncritical deference israel has enjoyed up to now.

>>2405859
mizrahim make up majorities among the most militant & vicious settlers and career IDF. they are seen as a lower caste among israelis (less so than in previous generations but still true), which is in no way contradictory to them being eager and enthusiastic footsoldiers of zionism. its comparable to irish, poles, and italians integrating into the US white stock by disproportionately becoming cops, strikebreakers, & footsoldiers of white america in urban "race riots". or scottish borderland presbytarians becoming the militantly chauvinist vanguard of british settlement and later retainment of ulster.

>>2406015
>i think its possible, even plausible, that in the coming decades hostility will grow between US capitalist managers/evangelical ideologues and zionist interests as israel continues to push harder and farther and the younger generations in the west at the very least lose the uncritical deference israel has enjoyed up to now.

oh another reason for this is the likelihood of tensions between turkey and israel coming into the foreground. with the fall of syria to HTS, turkey has gained a huge win and if HTS rule can be consolidated they will be a huge help in projecting turkeys power in the region. for now israels ok with that and is buddying up to HTS and working it to their benefit, but just under the surface there are serious contradictions between israeli and turkish ambitions. turkey is a crucial pillar of NATO, 2nd largest military and their enforcer in west asia. turkey doesnt have nearly the same soft power as israel, but turkey DOES have an extensive & effective network of lobbyists and is great at buying off politicians and media. their strategy is that its cheaper, easier, and ultimately MORE effective to not worry about projecting soft power into their NATO allies culture, unlike israel that wants to maintain infinite love and deference forever. turkey seems to prefer if nobody talks or cares much about them so they have more latitude and their crimes and ambitions stay out of the spotlight. with israels star in danger of fading in public perception in NATO countries at the same time their shadow-rival is expanding their influence regionally, a rival thats not only in NATO but is an indispensable member, it is not inconcievable that at some point israel will push its own suicidal behavior a little too far and the US will not swoop in to save it. theres turkey & the gulf states that are absolutely essential to US empire, and theres a dozen other countries in the region that need to at least be minimally appeased. ultimately israel is not THAT essential, and though theyve effectively positioned themselves in a way that they cant be outright jettisoned, i think its increasingly likely that israel will force the US to make a decision to either stop giving israeli interests such priority or else double-down on the suicide pact.

>>2404029
Are you new? that anon gets banned all the time. he just gets a new IP address or uses the tor node when that happens.

>>2406207
no i know he's "banned" but he's never actually banned

>>2404440
Those prison gangs are protected by the prison staff as a way to keep the prisoners fighting each other instead of their prisoners.

That said, I think that the degree of centralized control has increased a lot in the digital age. But a lot of these groups glow like hell. It's also a very informal kind of control. The prosecutor finds a child molester or a guy with a drug addiction and then offers them very soft ball plea deals in return for their loyalty.

You listen to some of "The Empire Never Ended" podcast. Some of these sadists deliberately attempted to get into Operation Gladio type deals in order to get their rocks off.

The whole domestic lumpen-reactionary network is a carefully controlled tool of the state and the bourgeoisie.

>>2406233
> It's also a very informal kind of control. The prosecutor finds a child molester or a guy with a drug addiction and then offers them very soft ball plea deals in return for their loyalty.

oh yeah, for sure. ofc theres all kinds of ops like that. thats why i asked, wasnt sure if you were talking about this kind of thing