Why is a communist country using lands conquered by its imperial predecessor as justification for its claims over them?
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>>2404923>National self-determination sounds nice in theory but is a flawed concept that lead to the dissolution of the USSR. The ussr disolved because it was a shithole also if thats a concern then why conquer land filled with ethnic minorities??
>China is right to largely ignore it considering the USA ignores it too.So its ok to opress and supress people becayse another imperialist hegemon does it aswell.
>>2404904Because Socialism should occupy the most territory as possible, as
>>2404923 said while being for self determination, when socialism obtains power it can be used to ferment balkanisation, so capture and enabling autonomy under socialist state is ideal.
>>2404930>The ussr disolved because it was a shitholeFirst of all the entirety of Africa, South/Central America, and Asia were all worse off than the USSR. America and Europe were only slightly better off than the USSR because of centuries of colonialism. USSR and Eastern Block weren't perfect but the average citizen did had good lives until is dissolved.
Second the policy of Glasnost when combined with nationalism lead to the dissolution of the USSR. China had a worse economy and it didn't dissolve because it never had a Glasnost policy.
>if thats a concern then why conquer land filled with ethnic minoritiesTo give them socialism and one day achieve world communism.
>So its ok to opress and supress peopleThe "people" being suppressed were the feudal aristocrats and the bourgeoisie.
Also it's better to win morally flawed than die and be morally pure. You just want to impose some liberal Martyr complex on leftist.
>>2404948>economy in free-fall.Stagnation isn't free fall, it's slow economic growth. Free fall didn't happen till after Gorbachev's badly planned Perestroika.
>>2404950>First of all the entirety of Africa, South/Central America, and Asia were all worse off than the USSRThats not impressive at all and japan was way better off than russia
>America and Europe were only slightly better off than the USSR because of centuries of colonialism.They were way more than just slightly better off Lol and there were european countries that didnt have any colonies that were better off than ussr And if colonialism was the reason for their wealth then modern russia and by its extension the ussr wouldnt have been such giant shitholes despite holding onto their giant colonialist possession of siberia.
>To give them socialism and one day achieve world communism.China cant give them socialism as theyre not even themselves socialist in anyway but name.
>The "people" being suppressed were the feudal aristocrats and the bourgeoisie.Aswell as the people seeking self-determination and national liberation.
>>2404965>Thats not impressive at all Being better off than the vast majority of the world isn't impressive? After Nazis WW2 killed tens of millions of their people and destroyed the entire industrial base of the west regions of Russia?
>japan was way better off than russiaYes, during the 80's The Japanese Asset Price Bubble sure made capitalism seem great for them. Of course once the bubble popped they had their own stagnation now called the "Lost Decades." They still haven't fully recovered.
>giant colonialist possession of siberia.Pretending a frozen waste is somehow comparable to European colonies in Africa, South/Central America, and Asia is laughable.
>China cant give them socialism as theyre not even themselves socialist in anyway but name.Closer to achieving socialism than your morally pure book club
>self-determination and national liberation.Determination to be capitalist slaves lol
>>2405010>Being better off than the vast majority of the world isn't impressive?Not really when russia and the eastern block was already better off than most of the world before communism.
>Yes, during the 80's The Japanese Asset Price Bubble sure made capitalism seem great for them. Still better off than the ussr and the economic stagnation of the 80's in the ussr sure made communism seem great for them lmao
>Pretending a frozen waste is somehow comparable to European colonies in Africa, South/Central America, and Asia is laughable.Yeah and the middle-east is just an empty deserr are you retarded ignoring the vast amount of natural resources siberia holds?
>Closer to achieving socialism than your morally pure book clubYeah china will totes for real this time definitely embrace communism by 2050 t-two more weeks!
>Determination to be capitalist slaves lolMost would find that preferrable to being chinese ones.
>>2405015>when russia and the eastern block was already better off than most of the world before communism.Debated. But they certainly were not right after the Nazis reduced their economy to rubble and murdered millions of workers.
>Still better off than the ussr and the economic stagnation of the 80's in the ussr sure made communism seem great for them lmaoYes because they average Japanese worker was worse off than the average USSR worker. Average Japanese worker doesn't own the economy they just live there and give up their lives for capitalists.
>ignoring the vast amount of natural resources siberia holds?Inaccessible for most of it's history. Unlike European colonial holdings in the rest of world.
>eah china will totes for real this time definitely embrace communism by 2050 t-two more weeks!Nah, average Chinese worker is still better off than most the non-colonialist world today. Funny enough I also have criticism of their economic positions but it's probably to the left of you. I'm guessing you would give up worker control for your precious nationalism…
>Most would find that preferrable to being chinese ones.I thought your position was the Chinese were capitalists? So what's the difference in being controlled by one group of capitalist or another group in your mind? Are you just racist against the Chinee or something?
Honestly, I think you are just pretending to be leftist in order to stir up shit. Tell us, would you oppress capitalist nationalists in order to achieve world communism? Yes or no?
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>>2410087These are all reasonable positions to take if you are already willing to shill for the Stalinist states to begin with
It takes an extreme level of cynicism to be a stalinist fanatic in the 21st Century, or ignorance to be fair, but on a place like leftypol cynicism and ignorance go hand in hand
>>2404930>oppress and suppress people because another imperialist hegemon<using anarchist jargon terms<but no class consciousnessGramsci radlibs lol
>>2410087>it's just that it's better if communist states own the landWe are going to fight the Fourth Reich by writing zines, Erik Houdini has a posse!
>stop being a leftcom liberal fascistIts just a coincidence that every "anti-tankie" activist is aligned with Zionism against Iraq or Libya or Syria or…(insert most recent target of finance imperialism)
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