IDK I think class is more important than political beliefs or other stuff like if someone is religious.
I'll always trust a working-class Christian over a capitalist materialist. Same goes with a working-class Anarchist organization over a capitalist "Communist" organization. I know class traitors exist but they're extremely rare. Same goes with working class rad-libs.
IDK it gets difficult because what do you trust working-class Nazis over liberal capitalists? And I think that you really have to in the end. It's just the reality that reactionary isn't a class. Now I'm talking about the small fry at the bottom here, not the guys at the top obviously. Also it depends on the context. In the context of Nazi Germany settler-colonialism, Nazi-settlers wanted to seize Russian land which made them future capitalists.
Now this doesn't apply to organized crime which very often applies to reaction. Maybe it applies to the lumpenproles at the bottom of the hierarchies. But criminals make money from exploiting the working class and do not have common class interests with them.
IDK the matter is confusing. But I think that fundamentally class has a filtering effect on ideology. Someone who's working class and doesn't own property, I think they're going to figure things out eventually no matter how much propaganda they've been fed.
I'm not saying ideology is unimportant or that I like reactionaries. But if I had to choose between a reactionary worker and a liberal capitalist I'd always pick the worker.
>>2406396only here would "class trumps ideas" be a controversial thread lmfao
>if I had to choose between a reactionary worker and a liberal capitalistif a worker has dumb prejudices but is still willing to work towards proletarian association then they are not reactionary. being reactionary is not some arbitrary social value. a liberal capitalist is by fucking definition reactionary
>>2406413>all great communist theorists$10 say you consider a bunch of retards "great communist theorists" and not only the ones who studied class struggle scientifically making their petit bourgeois background not matter
>>2406446>reactionary is when you have the Wrong Ideas and not a matter of communism in a fully capitalist worldyet another liberal retard
>non-artist Twitter userLMFAO
>>2406569Look, I'm willing to work with Yakubian scumbags but I still acknowledge the reality of imperialism and the need for the development of the productive forces within oppressed communities.
In particular, we still need to develop the productive forces within the areas of agriculture, domestic labor and food service. Such development can only come through the resistance of the oppressed and the working class.
>>2407214>development of the productive forces within oppressed communitiesyoure a massive retard lmfao "productive forces" are already fully developed everywhere the only thing thats left today is removing the fetters of capital
landback ass clownery lol
>>2407214also love this sentence
>the oppressed and the working classlike communism is about an interclassist bastract "oppressed" and not specifically the proletariat
>>2407214Maoism and its consequences on white guilt.
Capitalist categories of wage-labor and surplus value have already been outgrown by the productive forces of mankind, just like how the expansion of free trade and association of private producers that yielded the capitalist mode of production made human productive forces outgrow the various precapitalist modes of production.
< Of all the instruments of production, the greatest productive power is the revolutionary class itself. The organization of revolutionary elements as a class supposes the existence of all the productive forces which could be engendered in the bosom of the old society.>>2407270Tbh it's really amazing how many people parrot nonsensical, vulgar interpretations of the "fettering" of productive forces under capitalism. You have morons combing GDP figures to find evidence for it, and probably what the other poster is going to reply with.
>>2407277>>2407318Like capitalism, really really sucks at developing low-capital industry. The industries with the highest rate of profit are the ones that receive the least investment it seems like. Anyhow it basically amounts to the lowest paid workers unionizing and struggling. So you know retail workers and food service organizing. Also Uber drivers and other gig workers.
Not really talking about national chauvinism.
>>2407269>"productive forces" are already fully developed everywhere<People literally call this man (@juce.lugares) the CEO of the Ecuadorian Railways because his full-time job is repairing these precarious train cars. He spends his days deep in the wild Ecuadorian mountains fixing trains that crawl through brutal terrain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiloyKrv7Io<Fixing Ecuador's Most Dangerous Jungle Railway: Discover how a dedicated man restores Ecuador's deadliest railway, navigating challenges and reviving a crucial transport link https://www.tiktok.com/@minuteminiss/video/7494490985909570838Its so telling how first world German style train-autistics have never once talked to me about unfunded rural trains in the imperial periphery. I have no choice but to assume they are fascist futurists who love ᴉuᴉlossnW trains (and nazi trains!)
>>2407328>drive the larger hotel owners to innovateTrump, sir, do better
>>2406396>I'll always trust a working-class Christian over a capitalist materialistthen don't ever trust Engels, and Marx neither if that applies to people financially supported by capitalist people.
<Marx and Engels, literally who?the creators of the theory under which working class has a privileged point of view that you are butchering that way, lurk moar
>>2408098>trust Engels, and Marxyou arent supposed to trust them, you are supposed to follow along their analysis on your own retard. you can only be a bourgeois communist if you scientifically study the class struggle, but thats something hardly anyone actually does
>working class has a privileged point of view?
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