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Not reporting is bourgeois


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IDK I think class is more important than political beliefs or other stuff like if someone is religious.

I'll always trust a working-class Christian over a capitalist materialist. Same goes with a working-class Anarchist organization over a capitalist "Communist" organization. I know class traitors exist but they're extremely rare. Same goes with working class rad-libs.

IDK it gets difficult because what do you trust working-class Nazis over liberal capitalists? And I think that you really have to in the end. It's just the reality that reactionary isn't a class. Now I'm talking about the small fry at the bottom here, not the guys at the top obviously. Also it depends on the context. In the context of Nazi Germany settler-colonialism, Nazi-settlers wanted to seize Russian land which made them future capitalists.

Now this doesn't apply to organized crime which very often applies to reaction. Maybe it applies to the lumpenproles at the bottom of the hierarchies. But criminals make money from exploiting the working class and do not have common class interests with them.

IDK the matter is confusing. But I think that fundamentally class has a filtering effect on ideology. Someone who's working class and doesn't own property, I think they're going to figure things out eventually no matter how much propaganda they've been fed.

I'm not saying ideology is unimportant or that I like reactionaries. But if I had to choose between a reactionary worker and a liberal capitalist I'd always pick the worker.

You better not check the class origin of literally all great communist theorists then

When someone is reactionary enough it’s safe to say they’re a traitor to the working class. I do think the line is much wider than many a debate addict would draw it, but it can be safely drawn before Nazi, Zionist, Abrahamic or non-artist Twitter user.

>>2406396
only here would "class trumps ideas" be a controversial thread lmfao

>if I had to choose between a reactionary worker and a liberal capitalist

if a worker has dumb prejudices but is still willing to work towards proletarian association then they are not reactionary. being reactionary is not some arbitrary social value. a liberal capitalist is by fucking definition reactionary

>>2406413
>all great communist theorists
$10 say you consider a bunch of retards "great communist theorists" and not only the ones who studied class struggle scientifically making their petit bourgeois background not matter

>>2406446
>reactionary is when you have the Wrong Ideas and not a matter of communism in a fully capitalist world
yet another liberal retard

>non-artist Twitter user

LMFAO

>>2406396
>But if I had to choose between a reactionary worker and a liberal capitalist I'd always pick the worker.
Pick to what? The reactionary worker will give power to a liberal capitalist.

>>2406465
>if a worker has dumb prejudices but is still willing to work towards proletarian association then they are not reactionary.
false.

i feel the same way
i will tolerate any stupid poor person
but will loathe any champaigne socialist

>>2406446
>When someone is reactionary enough it’s safe to say they’re a traitor to the working class
the working class itself is reactionary

>>2406556
nope, liberal ideology is not reality

>>2406396
>>2406556
If you don't want to work with literal proletarians who ARE willing to look past identity despite believing in dumb shit then you're a retarded liberal fuck, it's as shrimple as that. In a world where the capitalist mode of production is already fully developed everywhere the only actual progressiveness is removing the fetters of capital.

“I just want affordable healthcare” says the Funko-Pop addict.

>>2406571
>treatlers only want reform
no contradiction

>>2406569
Look, I'm willing to work with Yakubian scumbags but I still acknowledge the reality of imperialism and the need for the development of the productive forces within oppressed communities.

In particular, we still need to develop the productive forces within the areas of agriculture, domestic labor and food service. Such development can only come through the resistance of the oppressed and the working class.

>>2406557
You get it.

>>2407214
>development of the productive forces within oppressed communities
youre a massive retard lmfao "productive forces" are already fully developed everywhere the only thing thats left today is removing the fetters of capital

landback ass clownery lol

>>2407214
also love this sentence
>the oppressed and the working class
like communism is about an interclassist bastract "oppressed" and not specifically the proletariat

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>>2407214
Maoism and its consequences on white guilt.

Capitalist categories of wage-labor and surplus value have already been outgrown by the productive forces of mankind, just like how the expansion of free trade and association of private producers that yielded the capitalist mode of production made human productive forces outgrow the various precapitalist modes of production.

< Of all the instruments of production, the greatest productive power is the revolutionary class itself. The organization of revolutionary elements as a class supposes the existence of all the productive forces which could be engendered in the bosom of the old society.


>>2407270
Tbh it's really amazing how many people parrot nonsensical, vulgar interpretations of the "fettering" of productive forces under capitalism. You have morons combing GDP figures to find evidence for it, and probably what the other poster is going to reply with.

>>2407269
We need more Uber Eats in developing countries and we need more automation in agriculture.

>>2407277
>>2407318
Like capitalism, really really sucks at developing low-capital industry. The industries with the highest rate of profit are the ones that receive the least investment it seems like. Anyhow it basically amounts to the lowest paid workers unionizing and struggling. So you know retail workers and food service organizing. Also Uber drivers and other gig workers.

Not really talking about national chauvinism.

Libtard commies are too focused on idpol bullshit and being "progressive" to give a shit about proles and their concerns as human beings

>>2407323
The solution to patriarchy and other idpol is the industrialization/proletarianization of the imperial core. Patriarchy is fundamentally a petty-bourgeois and lumpen issue. White patriarchy is a real issue but we solve the issue through obsoleting the private ownership of housing and abolishing the petty-bourgeois suburbs. I think we should start by organizing workers in the hotel sectors. Unionizing for better pay will drive the small hotel owners out of business and drive the larger hotel owners to innovate.

>>2407269
>"productive forces" are already fully developed everywhere
<People literally call this man (@juce.lugares) the CEO of the Ecuadorian Railways because his full-time job is repairing these precarious train cars. He spends his days deep in the wild Ecuadorian mountains fixing trains that crawl through brutal terrain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiloyKrv7Io
<Fixing Ecuador's Most Dangerous Jungle Railway: Discover how a dedicated man restores Ecuador's deadliest railway, navigating challenges and reviving a crucial transport link https://www.tiktok.com/@minuteminiss/video/7494490985909570838
Its so telling how first world German style train-autistics have never once talked to me about unfunded rural trains in the imperial periphery. I have no choice but to assume they are fascist futurists who love ᴉuᴉlossnW trains (and nazi trains!)

>>2407328
>drive the larger hotel owners to innovate
Trump, sir, do better

>>2408013
is train spotting fascist?

<OP trying to separate our collective class interests from "ideology", or "political beliefs" that float in the superstructure above the material base
You cannot simply brush away the superstructure. When you see froth on top of a beer, they are actually the same substance. When a fish swims through the ocean, and doesn't know what 'water' is, that's ideology!

"I'm not like those other girls who listen to Red Scare Podcast, my politics are non-ideological proletarian socialism" 🪰

>>2408035
> Everyone I don't like is bourgeois.
Go fuck yourself.

>>2408035
communism is not an ideology fucktard

>>2406396
>I'll always trust a working-class Christian over a capitalist materialist

then don't ever trust Engels, and Marx neither if that applies to people financially supported by capitalist people.

<Marx and Engels, literally who?


the creators of the theory under which working class has a privileged point of view that you are butchering that way, lurk moar

>>2408098
>trust Engels, and Marx
you arent supposed to trust them, you are supposed to follow along their analysis on your own retard. you can only be a bourgeois communist if you scientifically study the class struggle, but thats something hardly anyone actually does

>working class has a privileged point of view

?

Class != morality.

It really is just impossible for leftists to let go of moralism isn't it?

>>2406396
>I'll always trust a working-class Christian over a capitalist materialist
What makes you think these ideals are mutually exclusive or at odds among professed Christians? The Evangelicals /Fundamentalists who tout the prosperity gospel (capitalist materialists) support the war on the family, separating children from parents and inflicting generational trauma on what they consider an inferior class, barely human and undeserving of due process protections. This is at odds with Catholic social justice where the preference is supposed to be for the poor. For the Christian, class isn't supposed to be identity but something that informs it. Class warfare is also a luxury that the destitute are unable to afford since it exacts a heavy toll. Food for thought? A different perspective, at least. Good day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PMnHi8qy8


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