You don‘t understand the issue with adventurism and you evaluate adventurism in a static and therefore undialectical manner.
Lenin criticized adventurism as an individual‘s or small group‘s violence against people of the ruling class during a time where such acts were ubiquitous. That was during a time where people proudly and openly called themselves terrorists and assassinations were conducted regularly. This is not enough to enact systemic change which is why Lenin criticized the naivety of thinking as such. He urged to focus on mobilizing the working class. However, you are misguided to think “adventurism” can have no positive impact.
We live in a time where socialist movements are dead in the West. Get real and acknowledge that. Many people understand that there is something severely fucked up with the system but society has become docile and pessimistic. They believe nothing can be done and that their complaints are screamed into an unresponsive void. They get the impression that their situation is hopeless which is why they stay in-active. The assassinations of capitalists or PMC who have done things that are blatantly immoral rip people from their illusion that nothing can be done and that tomorrow is going to be like yesterday.
The assassinations show that the gods do in fact bleed. A dormant working class frustration is unleashed, and celebrations and a belief in being able to have an impact rises and diminishes hopeless pessimism in return. These assassinations are not useful in the sense that they will enact revolution, no one is saying that and you are an idiot to dismiss their usefulness just because they don‘t imminently create a revolution, but they are useful for their psychological impact of bringing about enthusiasm for class war that arose in both left liberals and right liberals when Luigi killed that health care CEO. You are sorely misguided to ignore this valuable bipartisan approval of capitalist death. Instead you sit on your ass an dismiss it like impotent pseudointellectuals who interpret Lenin in a scholastic manner.
To believe “adventurism” is all around bad is undialectical because it is context that determines the effect of the thing in question. You disregard context and assume the nature and effect of X is always the same and therefore fail to see that under our current conditions adventurism is a useful catalyst for developing enthusiasm for class war that communists of today must make use of, instead of dismissing it.
<Noooo people will just think assassinations is all that it takes to enact systemic change noooo
Then teach them that it‘s not enough. Don‘t just outright dismiss adventurism because of that. Let the thought of killing capitalists be normalized. In the meantime seize the rising enthusiasm, teach and guide people whose class consciousness is rising and let the adventurists remind both capitalists and workers
The gods do in fact bleed.
>>2408669In case you don‘t know why I added the Manhattan shooter I will give a rundown.
The media wants to frame the shooting as having been about targeting the NFL. The problem is that the shooter never went to the NFL offices in the same building where the shooting happened. Instead he targeted people like Wesley LePatner (pic related), a CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust (BREIT) which is a subsidiary of of Blackstone. They are responsible for buying up large numbers of single-family homes across the US which drove up housing prices nationwide. The media is likely trying to sell the public on an alternative narrative about him targeting the NFL because they don‘t want more Luigi copycats and they are also attempting to sweep corporate maleficence under the rug so not more people become aware of it.
>>2408730Yeah the NFL shit is obvious misinformation.
Largely agree with you posts and only thing to add is when you get enough adventurists coordinated together you have a Special Ops team. Also western leftist undersell how assassination can actually accomplish a lot against the right targets.
>>2408702>the gods do bleed<dead: 2 proles and 2 labor aristocratsSure thing
>>2408730Source: muh vibes
>>2408817>>2408824Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination proves you both wrong. That single assassination lead to WW1 which weakened Russia's government to such a point Lenin had the opportunity to take over.
Wars are effectively mass assassinations that can lead to deep political change if it's used right
>>2408842Why do Ultras have trouble understanding individuals can exist as part of a mass? When a wave breaks a boulder and you're far away then it only looks like the giant wave did it. But when you get closer you see the wave is composed of many water droplets. If you only zoomed in at the one droplet at the edge in isolation then of course you can declare it did nothing against the mighty boulder.
Or put another way a singular assassination of porky is just a part of a larger wave. Declaring it does nothing is myopic.
>>2408875They’re not saying the assassination wasn’t important, it was. They’re saying that the war was started by many more elements than just the assassination. The assassination alone would not cause the war, but all the elements involved in the creation of the war combined, including the assassination, would start it.
They’re also saying that using an event that helped start up an imperial world war may not exactly be the best example to use when it comes to discussing revolutionary actions instead of imperial actions.
>>2408889>revolutionary actions instead of imperial actions.Is there a difference? Strategies that work, will work no matter what side uses it.
The real reason western leftists don't want to be associated with assassination is because of liberal morality not practicality. They think when a war happens that will give them special permission to kill their opponents and that assassination is morally bad. They then backward reason to how actually when they kill their enemies by surprise, their enemies have won.
>>2409114"wah wah wah"
you projected a bunch of made up bullshit into ML's because you seethe about them.
>>2409116>No they’re not MLoids bc, bc….they make us look bad!Why do MLoids always act like internet tough guys but spew bitch made shit like this too?
Maybe you wouldn’t have such faggy outcomes if you had any sort of critical standard for stupid ML nighas
>>2408817Lenin was a aristocrat.
You're right about adventurism but the background doesn't matter as much as you think. The problem is the lack of a real mass movement. The U.S. is in that stage where most people know there is a problem but don't know what to do other than to lash out.
>>2409167MLs functionally do not exist in the real world, that being said, the few I’ve met IRL have even worse social skills than the freaks here
>>2409196MLs are mostly illiterates, why the fuck would I expect them to quote “theory”? They quote the idiocy spewed by the morons that run programs like theDeprogram, that’s all I meed.
>>2409349Proletarian isn’t a moral category
This is the problem with “MLoids”
They think being a communist is unironically when you want to murder white people for being evil
They will mock rightoids for saying this but it is unironically what MLs are admitting to whenever they shift into their fantasies of murdering proles for working at the wrong factory
STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL VIOLENCE.
These acts are NOT heroic and will do NOTHING to stop the ruling elites from destroying us. Shane Tamura is not a hero. Luigi Mangione is not a hero. Elias Rodriguez is not a hero. Adventurism isn’t martyrdom.
For the past seven months the deep state has been trying to foment an American Years of Lead, identical to what happened in Italy and Jamaica in the 1970s. They want to see American society be plunged into political chaos, confusion and mass destruction. This will cause the Trump Administration to destabilize and will ensure the Democrats win big in 2028, hence America stays in NATO and the Malthusian abortion lobby is able to keep reducing the human population.
DON’T FALL FOR IT. We do NOT need sporadic political violence but a PEACEFUL TRANSITION to an anti-imperialist government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4JY36BBA>>2409389>Shane Tamura is not a hero. yes he is
>Luigi Mangione is not a hero. yes he is
>Elias Rodriguez is not a hero.yes he is
>>2409343Everyone living in the West is like this.
>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY FAULT MY GOVERNMENT FUNDS ISRAEL I'M JUST A HECKING BARISTA>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY FAULT MY GOVERNMENT BLEW UP IRAQ AND LIBYA AND AFGHANISTAN AND SYRIA I'M JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE RENTING>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY FAULT THE ELECTORATE VOTED FOR MEGA HITLER I VOTED FOR BERNIE/CORBYN/MELENCHON/etc. ok but it literally is your fault though since if you are the one dissident and 99% of your country disagrees with you clearly the innocents are not in the majority.
>>2409903His point is nonsensical, MLs are as arrogant and conceited as they are, in their own delusions, because achieving communism or socialism are not only not the goals of MLs, they’re damn near the opposite of the goal
Literally all that matters to MLs is the power to conduct arbitrary violence (most are literal invertebrates that usually assume they will eternally be capable of sucking up to power, just like those bitches that clung to Stalin like flies on shit thought); you can fail at socialism so fucking hard you are literally murdering millions of commies and cutting deals with the West like the USSR and China did but so long as you can commit domestic ethnic cleansing you are what MLs aspire to achieve (genocide and capitalism lmao)
>>2409284>MLs quote the idiocy spewed by the morons that run programs like theDeprogramZionist Contrapoints fans are seething at their slaves, dripping with contempt in every single post they make
>>2409362>being a communist is unironically when you want to murder white people for being evilmeanwhile, in the Fourth Reich:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jeffrey-epstein-science-financier-changes-the-course-of-evolution-at-harvard-211218581.html>murdering proles for working at the wrong factoryYou celebrate nazis profiting off finance imperialism as "harm reduction", but if workers do violence without any profit motive at all, that's
much more evil and must be stopped and never allowed to be condoned even once. Why is that? 🤔
>>2410627>Literally all that matters to MLs is the power to conduct arbitrary violence<"arbitrary violence"Contrapoints fans: "Literally all that matters is that I can utilize dead Palestinian children to build social capital for my brand of being a mature, rational, nuanced political commentator who believes class war is the real fascism"
>>2410627>they’re damn near the opposite of the goalBecause they didn't push the communism button?
>literally murdering millions of commiesSounds made up
>long as you can commit domestic ethnic cleansinghysteric liberal bullshit
>>2411961Except it wasn't "anything", it was Ferdinand's death that did set it off. Yeah we get it other things were part of WW1, but ultimately it was the assassination that did cause the spiral.
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