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You don‘t understand the issue with adventurism and you evaluate adventurism in a static and therefore undialectical manner.

Lenin criticized adventurism as an individual‘s or small group‘s violence against people of the ruling class during a time where such acts were ubiquitous. That was during a time where people proudly and openly called themselves terrorists and assassinations were conducted regularly. This is not enough to enact systemic change which is why Lenin criticized the naivety of thinking as such. He urged to focus on mobilizing the working class. However, you are misguided to think “adventurism” can have no positive impact.

We live in a time where socialist movements are dead in the West. Get real and acknowledge that. Many people understand that there is something severely fucked up with the system but society has become docile and pessimistic. They believe nothing can be done and that their complaints are screamed into an unresponsive void. They get the impression that their situation is hopeless which is why they stay in-active. The assassinations of capitalists or PMC who have done things that are blatantly immoral rip people from their illusion that nothing can be done and that tomorrow is going to be like yesterday.

The assassinations show that the gods do in fact bleed. A dormant working class frustration is unleashed, and celebrations and a belief in being able to have an impact rises and diminishes hopeless pessimism in return. These assassinations are not useful in the sense that they will enact revolution, no one is saying that and you are an idiot to dismiss their usefulness just because they don‘t imminently create a revolution, but they are useful for their psychological impact of bringing about enthusiasm for class war that arose in both left liberals and right liberals when Luigi killed that health care CEO. You are sorely misguided to ignore this valuable bipartisan approval of capitalist death. Instead you sit on your ass an dismiss it like impotent pseudointellectuals who interpret Lenin in a scholastic manner.

To believe “adventurism” is all around bad is undialectical because it is context that determines the effect of the thing in question. You disregard context and assume the nature and effect of X is always the same and therefore fail to see that under our current conditions adventurism is a useful catalyst for developing enthusiasm for class war that communists of today must make use of, instead of dismissing it.

<Noooo people will just think assassinations is all that it takes to enact systemic change noooo

Then teach them that it‘s not enough. Don‘t just outright dismiss adventurism because of that. Let the thought of killing capitalists be normalized. In the meantime seize the rising enthusiasm, teach and guide people whose class consciousness is rising and let the adventurists remind both capitalists and workers

The gods do in fact bleed.

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>>2408669
In case you don‘t know why I added the Manhattan shooter I will give a rundown.

The media wants to frame the shooting as having been about targeting the NFL. The problem is that the shooter never went to the NFL offices in the same building where the shooting happened. Instead he targeted people like Wesley LePatner (pic related), a CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust (BREIT) which is a subsidiary of of Blackstone. They are responsible for buying up large numbers of single-family homes across the US which drove up housing prices nationwide. The media is likely trying to sell the public on an alternative narrative about him targeting the NFL because they don‘t want more Luigi copycats and they are also attempting to sweep corporate maleficence under the rug so not more people become aware of it.

>>2408730
Yeah the NFL shit is obvious misinformation.

Largely agree with you posts and only thing to add is when you get enough adventurists coordinated together you have a Special Ops team. Also western leftist undersell how assassination can actually accomplish a lot against the right targets.

>>2408702
>the gods do bleed
<dead: 2 proles and 2 labor aristocrats
Sure thing

>>2408730
Source: muh vibes

>>2408765
A CEO, a security guard, a police officer and an unidentified woman died. I don‘t care if a security guard of a corporation like Blackstone dies or if a cop dies. The CEO is not just a labor aristocrat. The death of proles also doesn‘t refute my statement that the death of a CEO psychologically does something to people in realizing they aren‘t wholly impotent. Read the fucking news if you want a source.

excellent post anon fully agree

American lumpen-retardation

Wrong.
bushnell wasnt a prole
luigi wasnt a prole
trump shooters werent proles
boelter wasnt a prole
this guy wasnt a prole
Worked as a security guard at a Las Vegas casino
Lived in a gated community with his parents, who bought their home outright for $383,000. Held an expired private investigator license


The ever-growing trend confirms Lenin's theorem. Petty-bourgeois revolutionism—menacing, blustering and boastful in words, but a mere bubble of disunity, disruption and brainlessness in deeds. Adventurism is a petty-bourgeois disorder.

>>2408702
>No seriously voluntarism works now, now is the time when political assassinations of individuals and domestic terrorism will make a difference, seriously!
One of the few actually likely fed posts I’ve seen on this board

>>2408817
>>2408824
Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination proves you both wrong. That single assassination lead to WW1 which weakened Russia's government to such a point Lenin had the opportunity to take over.
Wars are effectively mass assassinations that can lead to deep political change if it's used right

>>2408833
>MLoids pointing to an imperialist mass slaughter as proof that adventurism works
<MLoids being literal idealists that genuinely think the actions of a single man caused WWI
Lmao I fucking hate you people

>>2408747
it's a suicidal tactic. guerillas succeed when they're less violent than the authorities. it's why bloodlessly grinding people to death with debt and paperwork goes on unopposed.

>>2408772
>unidentified woman
They’ve been identified. Their actual identity however does not make me feel any sympathies for their fate, for they are a spawn of the privileged, of the upper class.

>>2408842
Why do Ultras have trouble understanding individuals can exist as part of a mass? When a wave breaks a boulder and you're far away then it only looks like the giant wave did it. But when you get closer you see the wave is composed of many water droplets. If you only zoomed in at the one droplet at the edge in isolation then of course you can declare it did nothing against the mighty boulder.
Or put another way a singular assassination of porky is just a part of a larger wave. Declaring it does nothing is myopic.

>>2408875
It’s part of only one wave: porkies gonna shut themselves off from the normal people and pay a lot more In private security.

>>2408875
They’re not saying the assassination wasn’t important, it was. They’re saying that the war was started by many more elements than just the assassination. The assassination alone would not cause the war, but all the elements involved in the creation of the war combined, including the assassination, would start it.

They’re also saying that using an event that helped start up an imperial world war may not exactly be the best example to use when it comes to discussing revolutionary actions instead of imperial actions.

>>2408889
Porkies hate this. This is one of their least wanted things in the world. They want all of the privileges of society with none of the responsibilities or obligations. They enjoy the comforting atmosphere of pseudo normality and civility. As soon as they start surrounding themselves with security, they become more disconnected from society and its privileges and benefits. They start ironically feeling more insecure and suppressed. Parasites want as much contact with their hosts as possible, and defending themselves like this means they will be more disconnected from the host.

>>2408895
>Parasites want as much contact with their hosts as possible
is that why they all fly to Epstein's private island away from everyone else?

>>2408833
>Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination proves you both wrong. That single assassination lead to WW1
Retarded site istg.

>>2408918
Not everyone. They brought hosts to a more secure location.

>>2408842
He is clearly not a ML if he believes that.

>>2408889
>revolutionary actions instead of imperial actions.
Is there a difference? Strategies that work, will work no matter what side uses it.

The real reason western leftists don't want to be associated with assassination is because of liberal morality not practicality. They think when a war happens that will give them special permission to kill their opponents and that assassination is morally bad. They then backward reason to how actually when they kill their enemies by surprise, their enemies have won.

>>2408817
>—
Slop post

>You don't understand
love when a wall of text starts with an inquisitorial accusation based on an assumption about a large group of people one has not consulted.

>>2408975
well that other anon doesn't like MLs so when that other anon sees opinions he disagrees with he defaults to calling them "MLoids"

>>2408975
At this point MLs have long accepted many completely nonsensical overtly reactionary stances compared even to the Brezhnev era of the USSR; considering MLs don’t have coherent stances anyway whenever I read nonsense on this completely ML-dominated, anti-Anarchist board I assume it’s an MLoid

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh random acts of individual terror completely separate from proletarian association is based because uhhhhh its fun vibes and shit

>>2409114
"wah wah wah"
you projected a bunch of made up bullshit into ML's because you seethe about them.

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>this thread
<mfw MLs have become indistinguishable from anarchists.

>>2409116
>No they’re not MLoids bc, bc….they make us look bad!
Why do MLoids always act like internet tough guys but spew bitch made shit like this too?
Maybe you wouldn’t have such faggy outcomes if you had any sort of critical standard for stupid ML nighas

>>2409120
Just say that big ML cock is in your head rent free and move on.

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>>2409117
Y'all owe him an apology

>>2409114
>whenever I read nonsense on this completely ML-dominated, anti-Anarchist board I assume it’s an MLoid
<thinking users of a chan, a type of social media so reactionary it eclipses even mainstream social media platforms in right wing nonsense, is at all representative of people in the real world
well there's your problem

>>2409120
Big ML Cock has hit the towers on your brain so hard you intantly think people you don't like is le MLoids when they don't even spew line or theory to back them as such.

>>2408730
Do you have any proof that the shooter wanted to go to Blackstone in the first place?

>>2408817
Lenin was a aristocrat.
You're right about adventurism but the background doesn't matter as much as you think. The problem is the lack of a real mass movement. The U.S. is in that stage where most people know there is a problem but don't know what to do other than to lash out.

>>2409167
MLs functionally do not exist in the real world, that being said, the few I’ve met IRL have even worse social skills than the freaks here
>>2409196
MLs are mostly illiterates, why the fuck would I expect them to quote “theory”? They quote the idiocy spewed by the morons that run programs like theDeprogram, that’s all I meed.

>>2409284
This dude has BMLC so far up his ass lmaooo

>>2408702
Was this even adventurism? Sounds like the guy was just genuinely mentally ill and ended up killing a Blackstone executive unintentionally.

>>2409284
>MLs functionally do not exist in the real world
M-L parties have membership numbers in the millions. The CPI-M alone has over a million members; the Communist Party of China has over 100 million members. Are there even a half a million LeftComs and Trotskyites in the entire world?

>>2409308
China is not ML.

>>2408772
Honestly there's some companies where even the proles shouldn't be considered innocent, and blackstone/blackrock (two different companies doing the same thing mostly) is arguably one of those considering how many people die as a result of their influence on the housing market.

>>2409329
>where even the proles shouldn't be considered innocent
the kind of retardation thinking the petit bourgeois are part of the proletariat leads you to

>>2408730
what are the proofs for each narrative


>>2409343
>arguing with memes
k

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>>2409332
People working at bomb factories and banks are still proles, not petit bourgeois. They have to work for a wage. You're not one of those "productive labor" retards are you?

>>2409343
>>2409346
>crackkker slaughter
i am now supportive of the death star

>>2409344
Alright, spare the Blackrock janitors and secretaries. The rest the world is better of without.

>>2409346
>proles are a heckin‘ protected category
>i don‘t care if they build bombs for the genocide in Gaza they needed heckin‘ money hello?!

>>2409349
Proletarian isn’t a moral category
This is the problem with “MLoids”
They think being a communist is unironically when you want to murder white people for being evil
They will mock rightoids for saying this but it is unironically what MLs are admitting to whenever they shift into their fantasies of murdering proles for working at the wrong factory

>>2409349
No you illiterate fuck I'm literally saying the opposite of this, that just because someone is a prole doesn't mean they're innocent. They're also not stopped being a prole just because their job is to do something fucked up.

>>2409308
>MLoid referencing parties in countries he has never been to and a party actively participating in the genocide of Gaza in a shoddy attempt to prove a point
Some copes never get old

>>2408702
Capitalists do not care about blood, they care about money. Sabotage an arms factory or blow-up the EuroNext stock exchange servers.

STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL VIOLENCE.

These acts are NOT heroic and will do NOTHING to stop the ruling elites from destroying us. Shane Tamura is not a hero. Luigi Mangione is not a hero. Elias Rodriguez is not a hero. Adventurism isn’t martyrdom.

For the past seven months the deep state has been trying to foment an American Years of Lead, identical to what happened in Italy and Jamaica in the 1970s. They want to see American society be plunged into political chaos, confusion and mass destruction. This will cause the Trump Administration to destabilize and will ensure the Democrats win big in 2028, hence America stays in NATO and the Malthusian abortion lobby is able to keep reducing the human population.

DON’T FALL FOR IT. We do NOT need sporadic political violence but a PEACEFUL TRANSITION to an anti-imperialist government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4JY36BBA

I'm against adventurism but sex dow….

Glad we brown boyos are farming street cred

>>2409389
>Shane Tamura is not a hero.
yes he is
>Luigi Mangione is not a hero.
yes he is
>Elias Rodriguez is not a hero.
yes he is

>>2409823
>unironically speaking of "heroes"
life is not a marvel movie

>>2409828
you are a classcuck who gives proky bjs on the reg

>>2409832
not really, im not a romantic politically inert petit bourgeois jackass trying to still do "le top 1%" discourse in 2025

>>2409832
You are a petty booj moralist that gets off to murdering CEOs specifically because it doesn’t threaten the system

>>2409823
Correct

>>2408702
I would prefer shit like this. Property crime is more important than killing crime.

>>2409365
But is his point wrong? You can cry about MLs all you want but they are the most successful and largest leftist tendency to exist both historically and currently.

>>2409903
>most successful
if you define success as making capitalism more efficient

>>2409904
Can the fact capitalism had to compete with another system and became more efficient as a result really be blamed on MLs? That would have happened even if another leftist tendency hypothetically gained prominence hundred years ago instead.

>>2409389
> a PEACEFUL TRANSITION to an anti-imperialist government.
I don’t see this ever happening lol

>>2409389
can you sum up this 2 hr caleb maupin video you keep spamming because i'm never gonna watch it. give me the most important points from it.

>>2409910
Developing the productive forces is Communist praxis. The capitalists have funded the development of so much technology in fighting to destroy the resistance of the workers. But the capitalists are digging their own grave. The real subsumption of labor drives down the rate of profit and socializes production, the petty-bourgeoisie are driven out of business and capital centralizes in monopolies. With the gradual proletarianization of the imperial core labor aristocracy since the 1970s, we are entering the final battle. With the internet and so many other tricks the bourgeoisie have funded the largest propaganda machine ever constructed. But in creating the big tech companies, the capitalists constructed their own demise. Now the empire is falling apart from within being ripped apart by the stagnant monopoly capital which can only sustain itself through constant imperialist wars. Rising resistance in the global South will only intensify the process. Vassal-states such as Germany, Japan and South Korea will be the first to be cannibalized and converted to colonies and the first places real communist resistance will begin in the imperial core.

What is great about Tamura is he killed an exuctive of a very, high level corporation. Wesley LaPartner is way more of an important porky than Brian Thompson.

>>2409156
Kropotkin was largely against political violence.

>>2409860
>bourgeoisie use the media to suppress or reframe the shooting to mitigate the emergence of copycats
>UnitedHealthcare changed their practices out of fear
Yeah bro, clearly the system isn‘t threatened

violence is cool

Violence is not an answer. Violence is a question. And the answer is Yes.

>>2409344
>No rebuttal because you know he's right and exposed your logical fallacy

>>2409343
Everyone living in the West is like this.

>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY FAULT MY GOVERNMENT FUNDS ISRAEL I'M JUST A HECKING BARISTA

>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY FAULT MY GOVERNMENT BLEW UP IRAQ AND LIBYA AND AFGHANISTAN AND SYRIA I'M JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE RENTING
>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY FAULT THE ELECTORATE VOTED FOR MEGA HITLER I VOTED FOR BERNIE/CORBYN/MELENCHON/etc.

ok but it literally is your fault though since if you are the one dissident and 99% of your country disagrees with you clearly the innocents are not in the majority.

>>2408702
Lone wolf attacks aren't adventurism, look at the red army faction in Germany, they had connections and an overall plan of action

>>2410477
if its organized within the proletariat then its not a "lone wolf attack" dipshit

>>2409903
His point is nonsensical, MLs are as arrogant and conceited as they are, in their own delusions, because achieving communism or socialism are not only not the goals of MLs, they’re damn near the opposite of the goal

Literally all that matters to MLs is the power to conduct arbitrary violence (most are literal invertebrates that usually assume they will eternally be capable of sucking up to power, just like those bitches that clung to Stalin like flies on shit thought); you can fail at socialism so fucking hard you are literally murdering millions of commies and cutting deals with the West like the USSR and China did but so long as you can commit domestic ethnic cleansing you are what MLs aspire to achieve (genocide and capitalism lmao)

>>2410431

>if you are not in the majority then you count as the majority

>>2410542
Lone wolf attacks can only amount to propaganda of the deed, it can't be considered adventurism, actually create a terror cell then we can start talking adventurism

>>2410741
>propaganda of the deed
as useless as adventurism too

>>2410746
Adventurism isn't totally useless some Marxist gangs in Scandinavia robbed banks and sent the money to Palestinian resistance orgs

>>2410757
sure, not useless to whom? what does national liberation have to do with communism


>>2409284
>MLs quote the idiocy spewed by the morons that run programs like theDeprogram
Zionist Contrapoints fans are seething at their slaves, dripping with contempt in every single post they make
>>2409362
>being a communist is unironically when you want to murder white people for being evil
meanwhile, in the Fourth Reich:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jeffrey-epstein-science-financier-changes-the-course-of-evolution-at-harvard-211218581.html
>murdering proles for working at the wrong factory
You celebrate nazis profiting off finance imperialism as "harm reduction", but if workers do violence without any profit motive at all, that's much more evil and must be stopped and never allowed to be condoned even once. Why is that? 🤔
>>2410627
>Literally all that matters to MLs is the power to conduct arbitrary violence
<"arbitrary violence"
Contrapoints fans: "Literally all that matters is that I can utilize dead Palestinian children to build social capital for my brand of being a mature, rational, nuanced political commentator who believes class war is the real fascism"

>>2410806
>Contrapoints
Go outside

>>2410477
>overall plan of action
Their plan sucked. No base in the masses and thus gorilla war failed. Many such cases.

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>>2408702
They should join the party and fight for their emancipation instead of committing crime. Crime is the isolated fight against the present conditions which is powerless to change them.


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