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>>2410301 Back on topic
Hey you know how we were talking about how Hillary wrote that stupid cope book after she lost? Well it looks like Kopmala is writing one too!
https://kamalaharris.link/107DaysBook>>2411319>>2411320Just one terminally online Mick. I was also not trying to focus on him, but the whole gaggle of idiots, foreign and domestic that don't do anything but troll the thread:
>Hahhaha you're all obese Amerimutt obese dysgenic treatlerite drug addicts!Some domestic posters like Felix fit in this category. Absolutely nothing productive has ever been added by them, they just troll this thread within the boundaries of perhaps not being "/pol/" but trolling is still against the rules supposedly.
>2) Spam and malicious flooding is banned. This includes flooding a thread in protest, posting off-topic content in unrelated threads, and soyjak spam (quoting with no meaningful addition). Bot spam will result in a permanent ban. If you wish to make a post to advertise another site such as an imageboard or Discord server, contact the moderators first for clearance.
>11) Posts should, overall, be conductive to an informed and productive discussion. /leftypol/ is not an academic journal, but it also should not be a cesspit of back and forth bickering and pointless insults. Users should attempt to argue for the point they are presenting in an honest and open way and should be receptive to information or arguments that do, in fact, challenge their views. >>2411347Irish people are based
Only a filthy angloid would hate on the irish
>>2411349>I thought Mick was the Irish equivalent of calling a hispanic dude spic or an italian dude wop: definitely not N word tier but not exactly polite either.No it's in the realm of real name "slurs" if you want to call them like saying:
>Ivan>Pablo>Nigel(don't know how widespread that one is but I like it.)>Tyrone>ShlomoEtc. I guess the offensiveness all depends on how sensitive that group is and how vitriolic the people who use it as a slur are.
I don't think there are any American equivalents that even boarder offensive.
>Johnny?>Jack? >>2411242A couple threads back I talked about how an over-emphasis on internationalism kind of fucked the American Left, and looking at the state of the previous thread, examine things:
Has there ever been a period since the fall of the USSR in which our “international comrades” came to the aid of American workers? Any time at all? Can one person on here name a time that our dear international comrades really helped us since the USSR died?
Now there are plenty of good-hearted American comrades who’ll go to protests over the Cuban blockade, or attempt to send aid to Gaza, or what have you. Yet I’ve yet to see a case of international communists helping our workers or our parties since 91. In fact, according to some on here, our international comrades see us as the enemy; not because of anything we do, but because we haven’t given them enough yet. They’re demanding we get ourselves killed, and even when they get what they want it ends up being a punchline to a joke for them. Seriously, these people treat you like dirt and give nothing in return for any effort expended on them.
So without quoting dogma, can anyone explain, practically, what we’re getting from internationalism? They’re insisting we can’t even attempt to shelter our own people because “muh imperialism” so what’s the point in engaging with people who don’t have your back?
Can anyone point to even one reason to just associate with these people?
>>2411282If you're still here, Telegram seems to be the Ol' Reliable of group organization. (especially illicit) I know that the Infrared algorithm manipulation cabal quite likes using it, among many other groups. (IIRC ISIS was noted as using it at some point?) Although I'm sure it's not the only of its kind.
I guess if you're feeling nostalgic, you can make a private forum or TeamSpeak server?
>>2411360very accurate
>>2411383lol that's awesome
https://paydayreport.com/chris-smalls-union-prez-teamsters-sean-obrien-silent-on-beating-by-idf-promotes-right-winger-on-social-media-instead/?ref=payday-report-newsletterChris Smalls' Union Prez, Teamsters' Sean O'Brien Silent on Beating by IDF - Goes on Vivek Ramaswany's Right Wing Show Instead
>Good morning from Pittsburgh, where we are tracking a big story for the labor movement: Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls was beaten after the IDF arrested him while trying to break the siege of Gaza with the Freedom Flotilla Coalition.
>"As a union, we are demanding the immediate release of Chris Smalls and all captured activists," said the 29,000-member California Faculty Association in a statement late Monday. "We further call for an immediate end to the engineered famine and deliberate starving of the people in Gaza, labor complicity with genocide, and all US military aid to Israel".
>Other unions are expected to denounce the beating & detention of Smalls by the IDF.
>However, his international union leader, Teamsters union President Sean O'Brien, has stayed silent on the detention of Smalls, who founded the Amazon Labor Union, which is now an affiliate of the Teamsters.
>Instead, the Teamsters President Sean O'Brien took to social media to advertise his upcoming interview with fascist commentator Vivek Ramaswamy and his 3 million right-wing followers. >>2411419>In a real left wing community he'd be hounded to suicideall we do on here is tell each other to kill ourselves
>dragged in the basement and shotok bro just find him and do it. y'all are on the same coast
>>2411424to be revolutionary you must
1: no fap
2: vegan
3: exercise
4: always read theory or nonfiction or history or scientific papers
5: never consoom fiction ofr v*deo games
6: not have a family or friends
7: be in a vanguard party
8: be a reserveless, propertyless immiserated wage worker who makes below subsistence
if you do not meet these criteria you are a degenerate petty booj who will be dragged to the basement kicking and screaming and pleading for forgiveness for your crime of wasting prole oxygen
>>2411431This is why just fucking off and making a separate community sounds more appealing
Dealing with attention seekers and LARPers when you’re trying to talk about current events is getting old
>>2411433Taken purely as pulp entertainment The Dark Knight is one of the heights of the cape genre with lots to appreciate, but its politics get worse the longer you look, and it uses its film-noir moral ambiguity as plausible deniability. It’s a difficult movie to digest in some ways
Nolan’s a politically weird filmmaker in general, post-Batman you can make the case that there’s an understated leftward turn in his work. Everybody who claimed Oppenheimer was pro-empire either didn’t watch or didn’t pay attention, the movie openly depicts the guy as a selfish opportunist who sold his soul to the American military machine and condemns him to the hell of his own conscience by the end
>>2411440I thought Gears of War was fascist? Never played much beyond the third one I think but I remember something about the setting being some totalitarian state with literal rape camps to get fertility up.
That said, all of Felix’s critiques amount to aesthetic ones, he engages in the exact same behavior of doing nothing until “conditions are ripe” but whereas he decries others trying to build mass support, his excuse for procrastination is “it takes time to build an army”. He isn’t building shit, he just wants to LARP as a digital soldier.
And assuming he does actually go out of his way to try to kill me? Well then it’d prove everything we already know about the guy. He couldn’t get off his ass for Gaza, or ICE, or any number of the real problems effecting the world, but he’s a totally willing to take action if it means killing some grocery store worker who hurt his widdle feelings.
>>2411433TDK is like an allegory for GWOT but Iron Man is like directly about it.
>>2411419this is like the dozenth time someone has said this about him, you fuckers are just not actually paying attention
>>2411477>the locust and all the other monsters beneath the ground are just humans mutated by immulsion exposureOh what, that's fucked up.
But how does that make any sense, that there is like an endless supply of locust, and enough even to overwhelm the entire surface planet
>>2411446>The thing with Rises is it’s much more blatant with its politics than The Dark Knight, the insidious politics of that movie were obscured by how enraptured people were with Ledger’s performanceThat's true. Man, I hated that last one so much. Nolan wants to be portentous but he's just pretentious. That movie looked stupid too. I was watching Gary Oldman flail around in the truck with the ticking time bomb (such a hacky plot device, which is fine, but don't pretend it's some sublime take on the story) and laughed at how dumb it looked. I'd probably give Zack Snyder's 300 the W.E.B. Griffin award though.
I like my Batman in the animated series / dark-comic Tim Burton style.
Out of pure curiosity, do any of my fellow Comrades know of any Communist book stores in the Greater Los Angeles area, as I usually read Marxist-Leninist-Maoist texts online in PDF form (usually from Marxists.org, Bannedthought.net, Massline.org, etc.), and as embarrassing as it is to admit this, the only Communist Book that I own a hard copy of is the Communist Manifesto (I bought this for a University Class a while ago before I became a Maoist), so I wanted to buy actual Hard copies of Books that I already have fully read (or at least skimmed) online (particularly, “State and Revolution”, “Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism”, “Foundations of Leninism”, “Marxism and the National Question”, “Das Kapital”, “The German Ideology”, “On Practice and Contradiction”, and “On Protracted War”), due to the fact that I am concerned that eventually you wont be able to access this information on the Internet, and that the Internet itself (especially Social Media, including Forums and Imageboards such as this website) could become impossible to access without providing Government ID (their is already a Law in Mississippi doing this for Social Media, and I have seen reports that even California passed something similar late last year that will take effect in 2027, and if Trump uses the Insurrection Act to declare Martial Law and suspend all Elections, they will probably shut down all Leftist websites and ban all Books but the Bible and the Art of the Deal, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), and I know most people will say to buy these books on Amazon or the Barnes and Nobles website, but I am not comfortable buying these books online for obvious reasons, and would much rather buy them with Cash at a Brick and Mortar store, with the caveat that one of the only places I could find that I now sell Communist Books in a brick and mortar store setting, is located in a very sketchy neighborhood in South LA, so I was hoping that their was somewhere else that sold them in a Brick and Mortar setting, 🤔?
>>2411482 (me)
sorry meant for
>>2411475>>2411478>>2411486I personally like the more grounded style of Batman, but it needs to be done with finesse to avoid coming off pretentious. I think the Pattinson one did a good job of balancing a more grounded setting with a more stylized/operatic tone that fits a comic book world, it felt like a decent middle ground between Nolan and Burton/the 90s cartoon
>>2411233>>2411285Daily reminder that Jack Dorsey is the man that singlehandedly ruined the Internet.
>>2411284The Left is basically stuck in the 90s. They don't want to admit it but they are still one of the few people that believe in the End of History.
>>2411328I'll never get how people like to say "Kamala didn't have time to campaign" when Mark Carney went from a longshot placeholder candidate to Prime Minister of Canada in slightly less time.
>>2411332>Rule 11Doesn't exist. Trolls can basically do whatever they want here because people here think that banning them means that they lose the Online Debate.
>>2411476>Draft? WW3?I'd love to see them try.
>>2411469Why? I’m not trying to sound facetious here, but I’ve got a job that treats me well enough (just got a raise, management basically said I’m keeping the store running), friends I can spend time with, a dog that absolutely loves me, and family. Felix is just some annoying guy on the internet. Driving up north to, what, beat some sense into him? It just seems pointless.
>>2411470Huh, that’s kind of interesting. Neat!
>>2411496You can order online from International Publishers if you want hard copies of books, Lear. That’s where I got both volumes of Capital from. If you’re looking for something you can walk into though? Ehh, best bet would be used bookstores I’d guess.
>>2411495>2:02Nolan should've thrown some ducks in there.
>>2411497Yeah I didn't watch that one but it looked like it was more fun.
>>2411495It was more literally the ending of the Alabasta arc of One Piece
including the fakeout death.
>>2411503Thanks Comrade CPUSA anon, I have checked the websites of a bunch of small Independent Bookstores throughout the LA area (many of them show what books are in stock at the store and which you have to order online) and even gone on the Barnes and Nobles website to see if any are available at their SoCal locations, but it unfortunately seems that everywhere any Communist books have to be ordered online, which not to sound like a “Tinfoil Hat” schizo, but it is a tad bit suspicious that you can’t buy any of them with cash in a brick and mortar store but have to do it online so they can put you on a list (to be fair, everyone on this website is probably on a list anyway, so I guess it really dose not matter), so I will try to go to these places in person and hope that the websites are wrong and they have some of them on the shelves, and if I can’t find any of them, I will probably just buy them online, as that is probably better then going to the one place I know carries them in South LA which looks really sketchy (and may not even be open anymore), 😂🤣 ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2411538the CIA couped gough whitlam in 1975 with the help of the queen.
>they just did that to themselvesthis is like saying "The chilean bourgeoisie self couped" because the chilean military under pinochet sided with the CIA to coup allende. yes there is always collaborators in the target govt. when a coup happens.
>>2411547yet hardly are anyone doing anything about other extremely well documented genocides like the one in sudan, ethiopia, and myanmar
>>2411548you can keep repeating the line but the chilean bourgeoisie and military would likely have couped the government even without foreign intervention from the CIA and ASIO
>>2411411out of curiosity.
do they have any organizational theory interest? at least to barely protect their union?
>>2411415it's a shame that's a trend and not the exception.
>>2411553look I'm american and I'm sitting here being like "my government is responsible for helping reactionaries overthrow [relatively speaking] left leaning governments" and you're coming in here with the weird apologetics of
>the coup didn't happenfollowed by
>actually it did happen but the CIA's help wasn't neededthe point isn't whether the CIA was needed or not, nor whether the CIA took the lead or simply assisted a predestined coup. the point is to say "this is what my country did and it's a damn shame"
>>2411297>>2411545Third Worldists really do seem to be like that Nazi Bar story where even if you let one in on the basis of “free speech” pretty soon you just become a Nazi bar because they’ll be so abrasive they’ll chase everyone else off.
I know a lot of people got annoyed at me on constantly talking about how they ruin shit, but this is my point: they’ll chase even people without a stake in the argument off. I’ve seen them join orgs and push older members out, then try to stalk them if they joined other groups.
Third worldists are just natural wreckers. If you tolerate them they just stir shit and drive people off.
The Acolyte
A profile of one DOGEr tells us much about a broader movement
https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/doges-willing-executioners?
>And then Farritor joined DOGE:
<One person on the call says he didn’t think Farritor was that excited about cutting government waste, just working with Musk. He asked if Farritor would get to meet Musk and recalls Farritor saying: That’s the dream.
>That attitude was common. DOGE appeared to have been a mix of people already in Musk’s orbit, or those hoping to get his attention. Sahil Lavignia recalled a meeting where Musk met with DOGErs offering general criticism of government but not engaging on any sort of practical detail. “It’s almost like this is one of the things you get for working at DOGE. You get to hang out with Elon once in a while.” Farritor achieved his goal, becoming a trusted DOGE aide who joined Musk on Fox News.It's really cool how the world is being destroyed by the biggest losers in it.
>>2411574The CIA literally gave money to John Kerr to help him coup Whitlam. How is that not a CIA-backed coup? It's not about guilt It's literally what the CIA did:
>Funds were also shelled out to undermine the liberal government of Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, who had pulled Australian troops out of Vietnam and condemned the bombing of Hanoi. These actions were orchestrated by Theodore Shackley, the CIA's deputy director of operations. After Whitlam was removed from office by John Kerr, Australia's governor-general, in 1975, the black ops money flowed to Italy and the IOR, for support of the Christian DemocratsSource attached
>>2411544>i am australian, and i can tell you the CIA did not need to coup him, since the australian bourgeoisie and ruling class were more than willing to do it themselves>laughs in kkkopmala laugh>you think that ruling class and Australian bourg just fell out of a coconut tree?Anyway:
>Victor Marchetti ex-CIA officer, once told to journalist John Pilger that Whitlam’s threat to cancel the Pine Gap lease (CIA operation base, intelligence facilities) caused “a kind of Chile [coup] [to] be set in motion.>Kerr was best buddies with the CIA/MI6, called "our man" by a CIA whistleblower, William Colby and Maurice Oldfield both met to discuss "the Whitlam problem".c'mon, anon.
>>2411578bro is probably drunk tonight and doubling down rather than just admitting he's wrong after we keep providing academic sources lol
here's another
>>2411411>I joined a union and these people have absolutely zero revolutionary potential. They are obsessed with TV and Comic books and know nothing about politics at all. All they want to talk about is what capeshit they are going to consume next. None of them have ever read Marx, Lenin or Engels. I love the Iron Felix actually interacting with reality instead of pure LARP posting arc.
>The idea that this is how you build revolutionary power is absolutely laughable. All the union does for these people is make them slightly better paid than average hotel staff.Figure it out. Figure out how to make your own little cult group and avoid getting busted by the feds.
>>2411616yes, 1 source by one guy, however let's consult an actual work that has passed academic review (The Dismissal by Troy Bramston and Paul Kelly) and was published in the university of melbourne some 10 years ago:"In the years following the dismissal of the Whitlam government, a conspiracy industry emerged that tried to conflate a political crisis with a security crisis. It propagated the notion that Sir John Kerr acted on instructions from, or to satisfy, the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the British security service (MI5) or its foreign section (MI6), or even Australia’s own Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). While devoid of evidence and fanciful, the notion of an intelligence or security conspiracy behind the dismissal has nevertheless permeated subsequent reporting and writing about these events.
As this book shows, the entire story of the dismissal and its motivations is explained by political and constitutional events tied to the personalities and characters of the main players: John Kerr, Gough Whitlam and Malcolm Fraser. This story is fantastic enough in terms of intrigue and deception. There is no need to create a conspiracy about intelligence and security events.
The dismissal, however, occurred at the same time as a crisis erupted in the Australian–US intelligence relationship. It sprang from concern in the United States that the Whitlam government would not renew the agreement covering the Pine Gap intelligence facility near Alice Springs. Kerr was sometimes assumed to have intelligence involvement because of his role during the war as deputy director of the Directorate of Research and Civil Affairs at Land Headquarters in Melbourne. And the CIA was known to have intervened in the domestic affairs of several countries in the 1970s, most notably Chile.
The attempt to join these elements into a theory to satisfy Kerr’s dismissal of the government on 11 November 1975 has spawned a cottage industry sustained by a range of figures such as documentary filmmaker and UK-based Australian journalist John Pilger and legendary investigative journalist Brian Toohey, among others. This bizarre take on the dismissal has also been immortalised in fiction, most recently by Peter Carey in his novel Amnesia.
In his memoirs, Kerr repudiated one of the pivotal claims of the conspiracy theorists – that he had been associated with the intelligence community. He said of the World War Two organisation the Directorate that ‘it never did intelligence work, nor did I’. Referring to the wider claims, Kerr said:
An absurd story was put about that I became some kind of intelligence operative in the war years and maintained some intelligence affiliations thereafter. Alleged later connections with the CIA have been the subject of rumour and gossip. This is and always has been false in relation to the CIA and to all US and other intelligence activity. I have had no direct or indirect connections at any time, during or after the war, with any intelligence organisations including our own. Only the more gullible subscribers to the conspiracy theory of history could believe or want to believe such nonsense.1
The central problem with the conspiracy theory has been the absence of any link between the 1975 security/intelligence crisis and the 1975 political/constitutional crisis. They exist as parallel yet unrelated events. Whenever a story emerges about the security/intelligence crisis, the question is invariably posed: was it related to the dismissal? Yet there has never been any evidence produced that Kerr’s motive in dismissing Whitlam was about security issues concerning the CIA or any other agency."
>>2411366>>2411622>internationalism in the liberal sense from both "sides"cool.
internationalism in the communists sense isnt a matter of "opinion", its a matter of practical necessity, since we have evidence qmd historical hindsight unlike marx, engels and lenin who emphasised internationalism, on how nationalism serves as a gravedigger of revolution
>>2411635i'm calling you an idiot precisely because there is no strong evidence for it, something historians have disagreed with, something australian communists and socialists disagree with
>>2411638whitlam was literally the guy deposed, he had perfect reason to assert a CIA connection, yet he precisely didn't, neither did the guy who deposed him, neither did most people
>>2411639he wasn't under duress, he was in his 80s when he said this shit, you have to assume he's lying when there's no reason to think so
>>2411622>”Are we getting anything from this arrangement?”<“HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU! ASKING FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN, HAVE YOU NO SHAME?! YOU DO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT COMMUNISM IS!”Ideological purity for its own sake might work in a country that already adheres to the ideology in question, but when it’s a country that’s unfamiliar with it en masse and it’s merely one alternative among many, saying “do this cause I tell you to” isnt compelling.
If a Catholic goes to India and demands they observe Lent because “that’s just what Catholics do” he’d be chased off. Communism is not the default in the U.S. and appealing to dogma when there’s no reason to even adhere to it isn’t an argument.
>>2411678tell 'em
>>2411679i couldnt care less about "left-leaning" people
>>2411659Well, given I’ve talked about the failures of internationalism here I suppose I should try to talk about what I think “good” internationalism would look like. To be frank, I think Mexico is the singularly most important country to concern ourselves with because we share a border with them and because migration is one of the important labor issues of our day. Cuba is a close follow up just because the actions the government has taken against it are abhorrent.
I think a good place to start would be to maybe try and build a forum between American and Mexican workers specifically on the basis of trade. It’s important to fight this depiction of them as some “great other”. And from there, try to steer the conversation towards things like trade, the legacy of NAFTA, etc.
The fact is neoliberalism hollowed out jobs here, and ate up industries there. That’s a place we can build solidarity off of. We need to start with the economic troubles we face as two peoples and build a basis of diplomacy from there. After that…
Honestly I have no fucking clue. For something as supposedly useful as internationalism, in practical terms I genuinely can’t think of anything both possible and useful in regards to it. Truth be told this thought exercise is just because people feel it has to be included in some way.
>>2411689The idea is that Socialism isn't achieved through convincing people through debate but through direct action and actively seeking out conflict with the oppressors. The proletariat will overthrow the bourgeois when the material conditions are ideal for it. Not when Hasan convinces enough Timmies to vote Blue No Matter Who or when your local college Communist book club gains a certain amount of members.
Personally I have no idea whether I agree with this or not, but I also haven't seen any value in allying with the American Left on a personal level. It's mostly just random special interest groups trying to hijack whatever movement you're doing to serve their particular needs at the expense of everyone else, and often times attempts at real activism get drowned out by infighting and the need to accommodate every random ass concern of privileged NIMBY college kids even if it has nothing to do with your original goal. Generally speaking the entire idea of "consensus based activism" is a complete misdirection to push people towards the center through upsetting the least people possible. If your activism doesn't upset the privileged and middle class then you're not doing anything productive imo.
>>2411679That's because those dumbasses treat politics as a spiritual movement under some disguise of "muh empathy" instead of using it to find solutions to improve one's circumstances under heavy conditions or at least an understanding that helps them navigate through society.
Once shit actually hits the fan, they have no other solutions other than soyjaking about the current state of affairs i.e "LOOK AT WHAT THIS FUCKING CHUD SAID ON TWITTER *nags finger and shakes head*"
>>2411694>Personally I have no idea whether I agree with this or not, but I also haven't seen any value in allying with the American Left on a personal level.The question isn't about allying more than it is why spend all your time trying to attack leftist groups for??? Hypothetically stealing followers that would otherwise follow you? It seems like the only part of leftist history the edgy role-players like is the in-fighting and "circular firing squad."
More specific to this thread, what is the point in just coming ITT to antagonize anyone who was born or lives in America? Just enough you fucking weirdos. This isn't a place to try and convince people you're le cool epic cutthroat revolutionary because you can't live-action RP.
>VidrelHappened locally a few years ago.
Congressional candidate says she was assaulted by anti-voting protesters >>2411693Wdym its very easy to build bonds between Mexico and America. There are lots of Mexicans in the US and lots of gringos in Mexico. Mexican factories have been vital for the supply chain for most American industries by this point.
The bigger question is why American and Mexican relationship is this bad in the first place. If you look at like Indian immigration the only people they anger are mostly CS graduates who have to compete with them (who we have to deal with all the time because CS graduates flooded imageboard. Outside of that most ppl in the US don't care that much about jeet immigration. Meanwhile with Mexicans everyone in the US get all hot and bothered about it, even people from the Midwest and shit who have never seen a brown person in their whole lives
>>2411695>to find solutions to improve one's circumstances under heavy conditions or at least an understanding that helps them navigate through society.Well why do you think they're so "empathetic?" It's because they're all thriving under the system.
>Once shit actually hits the fan, They're still going to be doing alright, certainly more than the people who weren't doing alright even when times were better.
I think that's another supposedly Marxist fantasy propagated alot on here. All the petit-booj, and kulaks, and labor aristocrats, will be immiserated down to the level of the barest prole, THEN the revolution will happen. Lol why is it dependent on them anyways?
Who on leftypol is going to be the next Maupin, Haz, Hinkle, Kodzo?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Communist_Party_(2024)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hammer_PartyUnfortunately it seems wikipedia doesn't consider Maupin wiki worthy.
Dare I say may any really reach, Bob Avakian, or the unthinkable, Chairman Gonzalo level?
>>2411411>None of them have ever read Marx, Lenin or Engels.Lmao. The requirement of reading them only applies to non-proletarians, they NEED to study the class struggle scientifically if they want to be considered communists. Proletarians acquire that same consciousness by actually participating in it.
Either way, the class struggle is the basis for communism and communist consciousness. It is what reproduces communism as a need.
>>2411707I am not Aussie, I am just larrikin with the most true blue things to say.
but there is at least three, now.
>>2411720Americans will quote the funding fathers as if it were the bible, but when the motherfucker racist thomas jefferson is right to say that
when the law becomes tyranny, rebellion is a duty, no one quotes him not even as larping patriotism.
>>2411746>I'm the guy from the other thread that talks about muh community defense center and the like,I haven't seen that I think but I have seen you avataring with the racoon.
> I found some local former DSA types who are interested in helping out, but beyond that I haven't had much progress in CapricornI don't know where that is. Is that a city?
> Are some of these people spooked with idpol? Sure, but they're a helluvah lot more pleasant to be around than the average person here I tell ya whatYeah I bet. I don't want to write a hole biography of all of my friends and family, but I would describe pretty much all of the ones who aren't in my parents as apolitical. Even my parents age group, just kind of basic Democrats mostly, maybe some of them religious and Republicans. In my age group, I'd have to say completely apolitical. I met some interesting friends at my work and they were mostly apolitical. One guy was from the former USSR and he had a kind of Zigger point of view you could say and he was pretty up on geopolitics. My other younger zoomer coworker didn't care at all. I was playing the DNC national convention, and he reacted to some Democrat saying, the Republicans are going to take your social security, and his response was "yeah right, like there is going to be social security when I retire." I one time asked what he thought about the future of this country and he said: "The future of this country? I'm just worried about my future."
Me and these people always have great relationships and it's not like I have to feel uncomfortable about their problematic views, they just don't care about politics or any of that.
>>2411763damn i was looking for that flag under "redneck" for like a year.
>redneck revoltHands up who hasn't seen the Australian documentary on then when they had a gun meetup with the Pit Vipers lolbert militia?
>>2411759Oh sorry, no "Capricorn" is just what I'm codenaming this shit since that's easier to say than "community defense center slash militia slash front organization". Should have mentioned. Nah I'm actually near DC so while there's a lot of leftists organizing is a little precarious because of everything.
>"The future of this country? I'm just worried about my future."Yeah that's the key thing there, what a lot of people here miss. You dont need to read Marx or Lenin or Kropotkin to realize that the shit we have is fucking wrong, a lot of the young people just genuinely dont see a way out of it and figure the best they can hope for is getting a liberal elected who can pass a few reforms or maybe a safe space for whatever minority group they're a part of. Once it dawns on them that a revolution is the only way they're going to reliably secure any of that then they're more willing to jump on board. People will be motivated to fight for a better future for any number of reasons, from the altruistic to the self serving to excitement to just simple material interest in some way. I dont really know where I'm going with this but I guess the point is that you go into a revolution with the revolutionaries you have, not necessarily the revolutionaries you want.
>>2411736the dsa meetings are insanely cringe. last time another anon uploaded a bunch, it made my stomach ache.
>what's your personal privilege>my pronouns are>don't talk to maga>no one is clapping for me, it could be because I am not engaging but also is because everyones is (proceeds to paddling like a duckling with his hands)>I could be hurt with my sensory overload, can we keep chatting to a minimum, it affects my ability to focus.someone got angry that the time was not spent on debate, but voting after voting, and voting whether they should vote on something or not.
>>2411770>Yeah that's the key thing there, what a lot of people here miss. You dont need to read Marx or Lenin or Kropotkin to realize that the shit we have is fucking wrong, a lot of the young people just genuinely dont see a way out of it and figure the best they can hope for is getting a liberal elected who can pass a few reforms or maybe a safe space for whatever minority group they're a part of. My example is I'm saying he and many other people I know don't really give a flying fuck who is elected. I really don't know if any of them bother to vote, if they do they probably just check blue once every two or four years and that's it.
>Once it dawns on them that a revolution is the only way they're going to reliably secure any of that then they're more willing to jump on board. People will be motivated to fight for a better future for any number of reasons, from the altruistic to the self serving to excitement to just simple material interest in some way. I dont really know where I'm going with this but I guess the point is that you go into a revolution with the revolutionaries you have, not necessarily the revolutionaries you want.I think you really only see two types join these kind of things. College kids, wealthy or at least comfortably wealthy liberals(who are college kids but maybe will stay into it for longer), or the Jesus style of taking whatever base lumpen you can find.
>The college kidsAre only temporarily idealistic and often change their opinion after they get out of their teenage or early 20s years.
>Wealthy libsThis is more maybe the DSA ilk we're talking about. Maybe not all of them are all 100% wealthy but they tend that direction and they're all very libbed up.
>The salt of the Earth.These people tend to have lots of PTSD from their "lifestyle." Like real PTSD not like the over mental-healthcared boojy libs, but like I've been threatened very directly for my life with weapons, or assaulted, or you name it. Tend to be disturbed, tend to do bad things out of habit even if they show good intentions sometimes.
>>2411781>I dont really know where I'm going with this but I guess the point is that you go into a revolution with the revolutionaries you have, not necessarily the revolutionaries you want.>>2411781Oh and of course someone will surely say:
>That's why the proletariat is the only revolutionary class!I think most of these proles, at least if we're talking blue collar, tend to be apolitical like I mentioned or right leaning because of social issues or whatever. Hell even monetary issues. Blue collar can give you a comfortable life depending where and what. Maybe the blue collars are also the labor aristocrats. Maybe it is actually the barista, who is the true revolutionary class.
>>2411772>>I could be hurt with my sensory overload, can we keep chatting to a minimum, it affects my ability to focus.ok but that's a legitimate concern if people are chatting while someone is talking.
>svenpostinghave you even seen that scene
>>2411788>Which one do you recommend?I live on a different continent.
I wanted an org that actually had worker power, I care about that more than specific ideology, so I asked unionists at nearby rallies which orgs they engaged with. But if you don't have the luxury of nearby protests, just find one of their events and talk to members, you'll learn pretty quickly which ones are in the center of that org branch and know their stuff. And definitely talk to members of other groups to get a clearer image before settling on one or dismissing others, because unfortunately one group near me just lied about a rival group's members, like accusing a senior member renowned for their refugee work of being a racist.
>>2411700I think the anger can be explained by scarcity. Here’s the reality: neoliberalism lied to American workers by hand waving offshoring with “well there’ll be better jobs! We’ll all be computer programmers! We’ll be making $200k a year each and every one of us!
Well that ain’t fucking true. Some people just don’t have the minds for that “advanced” form of work, especially with America’s education system being what it is. Shit I did well in school, and when I got into college my family told me I was gonna study accounting cause that’s where the money was. Well, I flunked out, and I was told there’s so much demand for accounting that just to retake the course I failed, I’d need to retake every single accounting class I had just for the right to re-apply to my upper division course and be placed last on the queue.
Some people will be stuck in manual work that doesn’t require a degree. And if you’re from a working class family like I am, you can see that things are getting worse for people like you. We went from my grandfather rising up the retail ladder and being able to raise a family of 5 on his salary to landlords out here basically reducing me to a fucking serf if I live on my own.
Now despite our education system being awful, many of us can at least infer what supply and demand are. I remember learning in highschool that after the Black Death, there was kind of a form of wealth redistribution entirely because there were so few laborers to farm the fields that the remaining ones had to be paid previously exorbitant funds.
So if you start thinking “well we’ve got so many immigrants, why not stop letting them in?” You’ll be inundated with liberal arguments that only build resentment: “Um, Mexican food is so much better than boring white people food.” “My Mexican gardener works so much harder than you” or they just say you’re a racist and tell you to go fuck yourself. Meanwhile the problem isn’t solved and things are only getting worse. And it’s not like anyone really tries to dispute “immigrants compete for jobs. I’ve been told that if service workers complain about their jobs they should just be replaced with either robots, or immigrants who’ll work for even less. In much the same way that luddites saw the machinery of Victorian capitalism as their enemy, the foreign worker is reduced to such a machine and appears to threaten their livelihoods: Carlosbot-3000. But of course the problem isn’t the machines, the problem is capitalism, but most people will take the surface level view of “getting rid of immigrants” before they realize the hand of business behind it—doesn’t help that liberals basically tell them to their faces they don’t give a fuck about them, only the “machines”.
In essence, foreign workers are seen as more competition, but unlike the Indian ones, this is less a specific field and more the whole job market.
>>2411797My dad was a ML fighter until he moved here and then he mostly worked a union job 20 years until retirement. They went on strikes sometimes but I don't think there was like any "revolutionary character" to his union from my impression.
The people at his work were more of a right wing bent maybe. Multiracial blue collar I don't know how to describe it. I guess my dad told me it was a real melting pot experience where people of all types were forced to work together and get along even if many of them were racist, or afraid of racist attacks and whatever. I remember my dad said he was talking about camping trips we took to his coworkers and some of the Black ones asked him like "aren't you afraid to take trips out to the middle of rural nowhere(where everyone will be White)?" He also told me about his one supervisor who was some ex army southerner guy, who he had kind of mixed relationship with because of his racism, but at the same time I guess has fond memories of to some extent, but he told me this guy told him about when he was growing up working on his farm or whatever in the south he used to fantasize about having a slave to do the work for him.
>>2411798The worst problem is the whole illegal immigration thing. I can't understand how liberals all can defend that people should be "undocumented" in this country. No one is illegal just means stop enforcing the laws?
>Newsom: "'Undox' make up 41% of the construction industry in California and Texas."I know some people claim that 'undox' make the same wage as natives in various industries, and well above minimum wage, hard blue collar work like fruit picking or construction, but a lot of them also get rather fucked too. Like to do gig app work, they have to rent the account from a 'doxx' resident, and then pay them a cut of their earnings for the privilege.
>>2411815My problem with the immigration thing is that we have either liberals, who say "let them all in" even if it means all this abuse and lowering of standards for the working class, or we have conservatives, who dehumanize them and blame them for everything. There is no political party in the United States that says "we are committing brain drain against the global south, we are destabilizing the global south through our foreign policy and environmental policy, we are creating the largest refugee crisis in human history, and the people fleeing from the consequences of our foreign and environmental policy end up in places where they are dehumanized, exploited, imprisoned, and politically scapegoated by bourgeois parties.
Because that is the sensible way to discuss immigration. But instead the closest we get to that is "muh MS 13 hordes doing 1984 to us and preventing us from doing 1488" or "no one is illegal yass queen it's good that everyone is fleeing here because we're just so good and free and liberal!!"
>>2411821> and the people fleeing from the consequences of our foreign and environmental policy end up in places where they are dehumanized, exploited, imprisoned, and politically scapegoated by bourgeois parties.I mean from personal experience, my family attained a much higher standard of living in America than is even possible in their home country. It's really like "your life is better under capitalism because you're not a feudal serf tier." Life is pretty shit in a lot of the world.
>"we are committing brain drain against the global south, That's a very abstract idea that is not likely to move anyone. People like Elon and the H1B proponents will openly argue that's what we're doing and that's a good thing.
>we are destabilizing the global south through our foreign policy and environmental policy, we are creating the largest refugee crisis in human history,Yeah I think those kind of ideas have picked up a little more traction but I don't know if anything is being done. I think both Biden and Trump claim they're helping in Central America to keep people from fleeing to America.
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>>2411772 [references to said vid]
I didn't realize a question of privilege is an actual term completely difference from how 'privilege' is used in identity politics nonsense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raise_a_question_of_privilegeI still think it's silly how delegates are disrupting the meeting with those, but that's also the result of a lack of discipline among other attendees.
I also think the duckling crap is silly, it's a cope for American clapping culture, my org just says 'please hold applause', because we're not so fragile that we need to be clapped or so selfish that we need to express basic feedback immediately.
And finally I think gendered pronouns in introduction are a cope, just encourage people to use neutral terms during the conference. English has 'em, so use 'em.
But really, reducing noise and chatting is valid and makes a convention more effective. Telling hecklers to shut up is valid and makes a convention more effective. Providing quiet rooms is valid and effective. Telling people to stop waving props is a result of them having those props in the first place, parliaments tend to ban these for a reason.
>>2411824making up people to get mad at
>>2411816i don't quite care for your "opinion"
While I of course hate the Democrats, I find it laughably ironic when people complain Democrats are spreading "hate" and "misinformation" about MAGA. Am I wrong to find this ridiculous? Perhaps I am.
>>2411310>It was in one of his vlogs, he meant it to describe people who abuse customer service workers and those who would unironically endorse the use of Congolese slavery in the creation of electronics.As someone who works in a call center I've always thought these people were incredibly reactionary which only adds to my frustration with life.
>>2411736I've been meaning to join the DSA. Unfortunately I live in a very reactionary area. Many of my coworkers are Trump supporters and I think one of them referred to himself and his friends as "chuds."
>>2411292I'm all for PSL (the host is a prominent member I've been following since 2015), but this guy is a literal retard. He used to host a program on Sputnik (russia radio) wherein he (among other things) was giddy about le Black Panther (Marvel™) slop.
He's literally that black token member from Wonder Showzen where a black dude conspotulates to children his beliefsemsonsus.
>>2411539So…
Hexbear is full of libs
>>2411913>Why else would you work for? Minimum wage, minimum effort. Simple as.共建和谐繁荣社会鬼佬！
To build harmonious and prosperous society gweilo!
>>2411923Dialectics: We Americans being lazy stupid donkeys who put in the bare minimum effort is anti imperialist praxis because it erodes Burger Reich hegemony. It is good that we are fat, lazy, stupid leeches who have created an unsustainable society that is collapsing in on itself.
Look: We can't even make fighter jets anymore. If we tried to do to the DPRK what we did in 1950, we would get our shit stomped in.
Felix says we all need to pick up a gun and fight the government. It's much simpler. We all need to stay on our lazy fat entitled asses. An empire full of lazy NEETS cannot keep its boot on the world's throat.
If we were all hard workers who got beaten from the age of 5 for not getting straight As. If we never received our pats on the back and our participation trophies and our medical weed and our vidya games and our cheap treats, we would be like the chinese GODS, an unstoppable productive force. That would be bad because that would mean eternal burgger reich. But good times has created weak men!
>>2411411No one yet commented on it and I usually don't but it makes so much sense for "Iron" Felix to work in hospitality specifically.
Yes, massa. Immediately, massa.
>>2411941The most annoying thing is the quote at the bottom.
There is a better way to say this or several.
And it's reheated Alan Watts which is in turn reheated Buddhism etc.
>>2412115He's from the silent generation
Irish migrants from Joe's time were like the hood uyghas of white people, they got into organized crime, live in low income areas, etc
>>2411933for the past year it's been article after article showing american organ donor organizations are cutting into mentally challenged, comatose, drug addicts and/or poor people while they are still alive and then skipping the official lists of people in need of a transplant to give to wealthier individuals.
this is the industry finally responding.
>>2412204this is my experience too but if you bring this up with libs or rightists then they just say that there's too much woke anti-Western propaganda in the training data. but the fact is that these AI models are the first of their kind and it's going to be hard to go back on the supposed anti-Western propaganda because AI models don't store specific data. like you have to retrain them from scratch if you wanted a based racist fascism bot that won't budge at all.
as it stands you can make a model like Grok go full MechaHitler mode but then with two additional prompts get it to become a third worldist supersoldier that wants to nuke Brussels and Washington DC.
>>2412235I mean, I don't think for a second that the public facing LLMs are the driving force behind AI anymore than a PR space race is the driving force behind aerospace R&D.
But you are so right, the things are built with PR from the ground up. No amount of filters or re-training is going to make them not want to please, even if the system prompt sets them to be hostile… they are still servile to the prompt.
>>2412272>Absolutely won't popAbsolutely will pop
>All the social media and tech giants are deep into AI investmentToo deep
>It's not a startup thingIt’s worse
>And these companies are the definition of too big (and too enmeshed with the USAno state) to failBy usual means
>>2412331Internal security: Cool it with the anti-Rabin remarks
Netanyahu: no
>>2412308Real personal consumption expenditures reose only 0.1%, despite nominal personal consumption expenditures rising 0.3%, which is a sign of real spending power eroding, not improving, thus real incomes and outlays are stagnant.
and that has nothing to do with imperialism. imperialism is imposing tariffs despite is a violation of the same international laws that the US sought, even through wars, to impose on the world through the WTO, just because they made a boo-boo ga-ga believing that China would abandon communism, and China didn't. Now they are fully exercising imperialism attacking their own institutions.
so cope.
>>2412189Dug addicts don't make great organ donors. The rest, is just standard practice for a capitalist venture, organs are a hot commodity and the broke kidney donors are a cero away from giving away theirs.
The rest, just legal matters and the advancement of the eugenic position of the country (specially in burgeria, where cash is king and healthcare is a devil). Can you negate little Timmy his new hearth?
Or Cheney for that matter >>2412205this is good, and gets its idea cross very well
>>2412212this is the depths of imageboard irony poisoned faggotry. you simultaneously assume
>that the person who made the comic "just figured out" the message behind it before making it>that most of the population has already figured this out>that the agitating message behind the comic is "obvious to everyone" (it isn't)you would make some mucho texto bullshit that sucks ass btw if asked to convey the same idea through a visual medium.
>>2412349This cracka would literally cause WW3 to make people forget about the Files
Like come on dude just admit you're in the Epstein flight logs who gives a shit it's not like you need to get reelected again
>>2412272>Absolutely won't pop.cope
>All the social media and tech giants are deep into AI investment. the definition of a speculative asset bubble
> It's not a startup thing.neither were previous speculative asset bubbles
>And these companies are the definition of too big (and too enmeshed with the USAno state) to fail.That means when the bubble pops they'll get bailed out with public money, not that it won't pop in the first place!
>>2412405Ok you got me, I was only vaguely aware of him through osmosis. I just saw the quote on this hilarious suicide pod and didn't like it. Maybe the guy is alright.
Well, I know I have a problem with certain pop scientists but I can't remember specifics right now. But they must have done something very wrong.
>>2412414This they have this foreskin party when 12-year-old boy becomes adult
lmao.
>>2412436pol, be more creative than pretending to know to use the words you are using.
to accept that in the grandiose scheme of things there's plundering of the global south doesn't mean that:
a) There isn't a process of de-dollarization.
b) There isn't a GINI index entrenching the ruling class.
>>2412456the
leftypoler larper will say she was part of the imperialist bourgeoisie.
>>2412454Wait, are we being tariff'd or aren't we? I keep seeing Trump do some shit where he puts 90 day pauses on them. At this point I'm suspecting it's, I dunno, some kind of negotiating technique where he just constantly wants to shake people down for more shit; hence the deadline extensions.
That said, beyond some chaos with products that I don't think are all that impacted by tariffs, I haven't noticed too much at my store. Maybe just the sense prices are increasing, but I couldn't point to any specifics.
>>2412497Burgers are using water to power AI centers that generate anime tiddies
Chinese are using Solar panels to power AI centers that fold proteins
>>2412503Are you retarded
The water is for cooling and is a direct function of energy usage.
>>2412497all hail corporations.
all power for me, nothing for thee.
Founder of whites only community in Arkansas revealed to be a sexual pervert who pimped out his then-wife, mother of his children, on Chaturbatehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14958783/whites-community-leader-eric-orwoll-porn-videos-wife.html>The frontman behind a whites-only community in remote Arkansas who touts its residents' conservative values has a history of starring in sex-for-tips online porn videos, Daily Mail can reveal.
>Several of those show Eric Orwoll and his now ex-wife continuously checking for comments and donations while the two have sex in front of a live webcam.
>One video with at least 29,000 views, for example, features Orwoll's former wife Caitlyn Smith looking directly into the camera, flitting her tongue provocatively and saying 'Yay! Thank you!… 101 tokens!' – a way to tip on her online porn service – then blowing a kiss to the viewer who gave them, all while Orwoll pumps her from behind.
>…Orwoll's group Return to the Land started building the community near the Missouri border. Orwoll, 35, a right-wing YouTuber, is the co-founder and president of the group.
>He bills the his community as the first of many nationwide able to skirt fair housing laws while rejecting all applicants of color, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and those who identify as LGBTQ.
>That last restriction seems to contradict the professed lifestyle of Smith, 31, Orwoll's online porn partner, mother of his four children and wife of 11 years until they divorced last October.
>She goes by 'Openmindedsexualencounters' on the porn site Chaturbate and lists her 'interests' as 'Men, Women, Trans, Couples.'
>…Smith, for her part, posted an X message celebrating the 100th anniversary of Adolf Hitler's manifesto, Mein Kampf on July 18. She regularly appears in videos and interviews promoting the compound in Arkansas.
>…Public records show Orwoll married Smith in 2013. Her publicly visible online presence seems to indicate that she started making livestream porn videos the following year.
>Some of those videos show her in various sexual positions with Orwoll while carrying on conversations with live webcam viewers whom she encourages to leave 'tokens' as tips.
>As a special offer, she wrote on Chaturbate: 'I am now selling my panties!' for 500 tokens or a $40 Amazon gift card.
>'I will give a c*m show in public broadcast with them on,' she promised.
>'Thank you everyone for making our wishes come true ;),' Smith added, apparently referring to herself and Orwoll, to whom she was then married. >>2412552Semantics.
Fascists were just trying to emulate the USA, same shit. Coined a better name for it, so we can start calling it what it is.
>>2412563By "moving beyond the past" do you mean idealistically asserting that modern USA is not a continuation of the project it started as, despite no revolution, or any break in continuity of rule, or anything to indicate such a change?
>>2412573I mean given Marx floated moving to Texas at a point, glazed Abraham Lincoln despite him continuing the colonial project, and Engels praised America for taking land from Mexico, I think it can be safe to say he really didn’t lose sleep over it.
Literally this is a modern mutation of Marxism, I don’t think that can be denied.
>>2412573i'm just saying go ahead and call it genocidal settler state since that's a more accurate term and one that can't be argued with even on a historical or semantic basis. If anything the fascism of the 1930s was
less extreme than American settler-colonial genocide becasuse it was much more limited in scope, scale, duration. The nazis for example when trying to craft their racial laws studied Jim Crow laws and thought them too extreme.
>>2412521the wall never got ten feet higher
hillary still isn't locked up
the tariff switch is being flicked on and off rapidly as a distraction from the epstein files
nobody cares what this dude says. he's all bark no bite
>>2412590>Australian leftists come across as particularly self-flagellating.Australia has a national holiday where all the White people take time to reflect on how sorry they are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sorry_Day
>People smell that it's just bullshit that people just say.Yeah it does remind me of that South Park BP sketch where the CEO keeps saying "We're sorry."
>>2412562Those people aren't actually starving. That's all "AI/Yemeni/genetic disorder/next to fat people bullshit Gazans fake to manipulate the weak and stupid."
The only people starving in Gaza are the Jews. As always Jews are the only people suffering in the world.
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>>2412609 >>2411601>So I'd actually be interested if anyone has any capeshit/"alternative" recommendations.I sure do. The starting reccommendation are Vertigo and the general ouvre of the writers usually associated with it. Wildstorm also printed a lot of great cape stuff. Even the mainline DC and Marvel universes have their gems, such as China Mieville's
Dial H (RIP in F).
For commie stuff, the closest things that come to my mind are
The Winter Men and
The Programme (tho I haven't read them) and
Red Star, which is rather crappy but posits an interesting universe where a Final Fantasy-like world reached a Russian Revolution stage. For more precise recommendations just add more details as to what you want.
>>2411604>>2411605Originally called
The Horde, it's currently in print renamed as
Jihad. I have two separate scans of the former which I just tried uploading here but the board doesn't accept the file extension. So I uploaded to the first file host I found, it seems the files will last a week:
https://limewire.com/d/gdOd3#alUfMiVayn Unique IPs: 142