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Not reporting is bourgeois


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>ABA most likely causes prompt dependence and PTSD, so there's no need for an "alternative" as ABA itself is abusive. This is mostly self-evident, and a staple in the literature, but here's some specific examples:

10.1016/0891-4222(93)90036-j
10.1108/AIA-08-2017-0016

>Reward and punishment, as opposed to naturally occuring observations of the enviroment, is inefficient at teaching even very simple tasks; there is no reason to consistently and regularly reward a child for specific 'behaviors' as present in especially the EIBI and UCLA models of ABA, as opposed to TEAACH, JASPER, SLT, OT, Mileu therapy, ETC.


10.1016/0304-3940(95)11631-6
10.1111/cdev.14181

>The reason people support ABA in the first place is because people claim that it raises intelligence; ignoring all the nuances of autism score as a measure of problem solving, the studies that are at least long-term and/or randomized suggest it does not, even when the child is mentally equivilent to an infantat intake. In particular, the control group of Estes 15 did no worse than either group of Sallows 2005. The former recieved almost no ABA whatsoever and the latter had 30 hrs/wk of the UCLA model for two years


10.1352/0895-8017(2005)110[417:IBTFCW]2.0.CO;2.
10.1016/j.jaac.2015.04.005

10.1177/0145445511405513

>"Behaviorism" isn't a science; Behavioral Psychology is, but Behaviorism is the philosophy that the former is the only, or most important, form of psychology.


>It's questionable whether or not autisitic people are even disabled enough for therapy in general, as the DSM diagonosis no longer necessitates language abnormalities, which would mark an actual problem, not an idealist label. This is why behavioral therapy that's more than 5 hrs/wk is rare in europe, for example


10.1177/13623613241230709
10.1177/13623613221117955
10.1186/s13229-015-0006-3

10.1177/1362361315577218

>Pragmatically speaking, ABA is extremely expensive, with the low intensity variety costing about 60,000 dollars a year. This is equivilent to six years of schooling depending on where you are so people will expect that it makes the difference between vegtablized human pets and sovietmen; certainly, ABA won't make you the latter, but merely being useless means the axe, as indiana, tricare, and ontario have already cut funding for it. It's basically just a matter of "Hey, wait a minute! Can't use this money to give families of disabled children UBI, tax credits, or actual healthcare instead?" And the individualist culture  of the US can't save you.


10.1016/j.jaac.2017.06.007

>And no, socialism won't change this, as the USSR disregarded behaviorism as bourgeois, and they were more than right to do so.


https://www.muni.cz/en/research/publications/1850697   (Pp. 25-32)


The "ABA is the fastest growing industry" thing is a psyop to make you think that behaviorism is natural and that there's nothing you can do about it. On the contrary, the industry would collapse if the public were informed of the actual science and not feel-good anecdotes.

"I'm a mother of an autistic child and you're delusional" is not evidence
"SIBs are bad" is not an arguement
"I know your frustrated, but…" is not theory
"Seek therapy" is not praxis

Nothing is created
Everthing is adapted
God is real
Let's put him down

Splendid! So you’ll willingly take care of high needs autistics by working at a group home for severely disabled adults or as a special Ed teacher, right? Right?

ok

Nobody cares about retards. Nobody wants to spend the rest of their life taking care of a retarded kid when they could be doing political organizing.

>>2411492

>"ABA is bad because [reasons]"

<*Tu quoque*

>>2411530
philosopher when confronted with material reality
>List of fallacies - Wikipedia

Praying away the autism and bleeding myself into a blood bucket to let out the toxins. I'll let you know when I start getting pussy

So who will take care of all the high needs disabled people? I sure as hell won’t.

>>2411516
OP is talking about autism. Allism is the retardation one.

>>2411584
t. useless diapered manchild

>>2411584
The definition of profound autism is a severe intellectual disability.

All the ableist scum in this thread should be lined up and beaten within an inch of their worthless lives, on repeat.

>>2411591
>>2411557
>>2411530
>>2411516
>>2411504
>>2411492

All these faggots need to be fed into a woodchipper.

>>2411599
>>2411600
typical leftoid tantrum: shoulda coulda woulda

>>2411462
I bet Matthew Israel really wishes he were young right now. He'd fit right into the Trump Administration working alongside JFK Jr. I love how these people have been so successful in manufacturing consent for the new mass incarceration. When the abuse in the private mental institutions and "Wellness Camps" inevitably comes out, you'll all pretend you were always against this.

>>2411608
>you'll all pretend you were always against this
I don't care beyond thinking it sucks. Sorry I'm a communist and not an activist.

>>2411608
They’re defunding ABA because of the wellness camps, moron. They want parents of kids with level 3 and profound autism to send their kids to the camps because they have no other options.

Garbage thread

>>2411600
I'm gonna feed you to my dickhole

>>2411608
>>2411624

While ABA isn't the ONLY concern then, y'all have failed to provide any evidence that the removal of it will cause institutionalization or fucking death camps; Unless you have evidence that ABA itself is actually helpful, it equivilent to saying "Nooo! Don't put out the fire! Putting out the fire will burn the house down!"

>>2411810
ABA is objectively better than wellness camps and I would gladly offer critical support to ABA funding if it meant parents not feeling as if wellness camps are their only option.

>>2411812
How about don't torture your kids because "it's your only option."

Literally, it's Blue MAGA bullshit. Both sides of the machine are evil bastards here.

>>2411848
I'd rather see ABA remain properly funded than be stripped away as a pretext for something much, much worse.

If ABA is so bad, why not start a mass movement to get it banned rather than shaming parents and complaining?

We have a child who is a toddler and we're trying to find out if they're autistic. they're behind on some things and ahead on others. it's scary. I talked to an older guy who is the stepdad of an autistic kid and his stepkid got ABA and he said it improved the kid's violent behaviors which included tantrums where he'd black out and do crap like rip plug switches out of walls and not remember it. That kid was like 7 and doing stuff like that. I read papers and stuff when I have time but I don't always understand them. This sucks.

I don't care about ABA.

A lot of things in life are traumatizing for kids. School can be traumatizing. We don't ban school.

Being angry at ABA is a liberal idpol issue that has zero bearing on any working-class revolution.

>>2411608
>>2411624
>>2411812
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>>2411859

This is on the same level as "Not killing kids is anti-semetism"

>>2412153
>this is just like Palestine getting bombed
Incredibly tone-deaf.

>>2412153
ABA isn’t a socialist or leftist issue. That’s something psychologists should be deciding, not us.

>>2412153
Or, you could just let therapists and psychologists do their job without making bad faith arguments.

Autistic idpolers who rant against ABA are way too similar to the right-wingers who rant against vaccines. Let the fucking medical experts do their damn job.

>>2412369
>>2412324
> Let the criminologists do their jobs
This is like arguing anthropology is a value-neutral field. Anthropology is scientific colonialism and psychiatry is eugenics.

>>2412559
It’s not my job to tell a psychologist how to do their job when my knowledge of psychology is limited to a few books on psychoanalysis and medical journal articles.

Autistic idpolers ranting against ABA are nearly identical to MAGAts ranting against covid measures. Political activists with no in-depth understanding of medical issues or psychology shouldn’t be railroading actual medical professionals and psychologists.

Mods please lock this obvious bait thread.

>>2411533
>confronted with material reality
Neoliberals are like "the fact we have made political choices and used our political will to throw some children away is just nature, its basic economics, its simply material reality that we chose this and you idealists are childish…nooo you can't call me a 'degenerate nazi collaborator', actually I bear no responsibility for just doing my job!!! I'm just following orders! I am a soulless neoliberal NPC who is part of material reality where socialists have zero political will to help or harm children"

>>2411602
>>2411618
>Sorry I'm a communist and not an activist.
<"Marxism is the ideology of soy armchair pseuds who smugly support torture brainwashing of the working class to fit within capitalist political economic slavery"

>>2412565
>It’s not my job to tell a psychologist how to do their job
yeah that's the job of Ritchie Torres and The Lobby! They have a tight control on their literal CIA MKULTRA brainwashing torture psychology organization, which they are using in their attempt to gaslight Americans about Zionism being normal:
https://www.jns.org/torres-calls-out-american-psychological-association-for-anti-jewish-bias/

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>>2412587
Then read a fucking book.
Maybe start with Robert Chapman's "Empire of Normality" or Regina Kunzel's "In the Shadow of Diagnosis: Psychiatric Power and Queer Life." Also possibly read Artie Vierkant and Beatrice Adler-Bolton's "Health Communism."

>>2412559
>scientific colonialism
beyond satire

>>2412666
🙄 Anthropology is notorious for being incredibly fucking racist and fetishising.

>>2412653
Schizo the post


>>2412762
NTA but if you really think bourgeois anthropology isn't racist and colonialist I have big news for you

>>2412884
Most anthropologists are Marxists or anarchists.

>>2412909
This is a pretty modern turn of anthropology. It is true that there has been a major shift in the direction of anthropology. I place the shift in mass education and the gradual proletarianization of higher education professions.

Me, a third worlder: "you had therapy for autism?"

Protip: NOBODY CARES

Now get back to class struggle and organizing.

>>2412559
Not the entire field of anthropology–lmao–but archeology is often used for imperialist shit. Hell Israel made amateur archeology a national passtime, chucking all the non-jewish and non-bible affirming shit and using whatever they find to claim they deserve to be there because a thousand year old coin with the name "Netanyahu" on it.

>>2411462
Not leftism

>>2413046
Reserve pool of labor issues are labor issues. You are undermining the power of the working class by encouraging the abuse of the reserve pool of labor and thereby also giving power to the single greatest weapon of the capitalists, giving workers the sack.

>>2413147
now demonstrate in concrete terms how the bullshit in OP relates to class struggle and the "reserve pool of labor"

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leftards really think communism is supposed to be the moral emergency response team for capitalisms disasters

>>2413147
Nobody cares.

How are tards relevant to class struggle at all?

>>2413147
TBH we need prenatal testing for severe autism. Either that or CRISPR. Would solve this entire problem.

>>2413147
Children aren’t the “reserve pool of labour”, idiot. Adults don’t get put in ABA. Kids do.

>>2413176
It seems you care quite a lot otherwise you would just ignore the thread and move on. Something disturbs you about the reserve pool of labor having rights and respect.

>>2413185
i wonder why communists on a communist imageboard would respond to morons trying to conflate every little thing with communism

>>2413185
Your entire thread is contentious and only serves to divide the working people. NOBODY cares about severely autistic kids who will never contribute to class struggle and who will spend their adulthoods in group homes apart from the working people.

>>2413191
Okay, suppose you get a concussion at work and then your boss calls you a tard and fires you. Don't you think that disability issues are at least a little relevant then?

>>2413194
That's an entirely different situation. ABA therapy for severely autistic kids has zero to do with disability benefits to adults of working age.

>>2413195
Don't you think the social murder of those born disabled and those who are made disabled later in life are at least a little linked?

>>2413200
Therapy for severely autistic kids has nothing to do with disability accommodations and benefits for adults who became disabled later. So no.

>>2413206
The Nazis will put both kinds of useless eaters into the same camps comrade.


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