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>The exponential growth of data and the rising demand for data centres is challenging global climate progress. The rapid development of AI could undermine decarbonisation efforts worldwide by driving electricity consumption and emissions to extreme levels.
>As AI models evolve from simple text generation to more complex image, video, and music generation, data requirements are expanding rapidly, further amplifying energy demand. Since 2022, global investment in data centres has nearly doubled, reaching half a trillion dollars in 2024. However, this boom has also triggered mounting concerns around the sector’s growing energy footprint. Today, data centres and data transmission networks are responsible for about 1 percent of global energy-related greenhouse gas emissions.
>AI-optimised data centres, particularly hyperscale facilities, are pushing energy use to unprecedented levels. Some centres now require 100 megawatts or more of electricity. For perspective, a single large-scale facility can consume as much electricity annually as 350,000 to 400,000 electric vehicles.
>In 2022, data centres consumed an estimated 240 to 340 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity, accounting for approximately 1 to 1.3 percent of global electricity demand. Electricity demand from AI-optimised data centres is projected to more than quadruple by 2030, reaching about 945 TWh, which would exceed Japan’s current electricity consumption.
>As of March 2025, the United States holds the largest number of data centres globally, operating 5,426 facilities. As a result, the USA accounts for the highest share of global data centre electricity consumption, responsible for 45 percent of global usage in 2024, followed by China at 25 percent and Europe at 15 percent.
>In the United States, data centres are expected to drive nearly half of the country’s electricity demand growth between now and 2030. By the end of the decade, the USA will consume more electricity for data centres than for the production of aluminium, steel, cement, chemicals, and all other energy-intensive goods combined.
>A recent study examined 2,132 data centres operating across the United States, representing 78 percent of all facilities, between September 2023 and August 2024. The findings showed that these data centres accounted for over 4 percent of total US electricity consumption, with more than half of that electricity sourced from fossil fuels. This contributed to more than 105 million tons of CO2e emissions, representing 2.18 percent of total US emissions in 2023.
>The strain on local power grids will continue to intensify as more data centres are built. Construction timelines for new centres often outpace upgrades to grid and transmission infrastructure. Several jurisdictions have already paused new data centre projects to process connection backlogs and evaluate grid capacity. Rising concerns over electricity availability and prices have led some regions to consider temporary moratoriums on development.
>Data centers consume water primarily to cool servers from overheating. A Cornell University study estimates AI demand alone could require 4.2–6.6 billion cubic meters of fresh water annually by 2027, roughly half of the UK’s yearly usage.
>The demand for water for data center cooling is exacerbating the water crisis in water-sensitive regions already suffering from the effects of climate-related water shortages. Stakeholder engagement is most necessary while choosing a location to set up new data centers. While huge data centers generate employment and create an uptick in the economy, the environmental cost of setting up a data center needs to be assessed first. One such example was the proposed approval for a data center in Arizona which is known for its arid landscape and water woes.
>In 2021, Google’s global data centers consumed approximately 4.3 billion gallons (16.2 billion litres) of water altogether. Though water-cooled data centers consume less energy to cool heating and emit roughly 10% less carbon emissions than air-cooled data centers, they still place immense stress on freshwater resources.
>Data centers contain thousands of components with varied life cycles. While servers, batteries, and networking equipment typically require replacement every 3–5 years, infrastructure such as air conditioning systems and generators may last over a decade.
>Short upgrade cycles—especially in high-performance facilities—result in significant volumes of e-waste. In a 2020 survey, 42% of IT managers reported replacing servers every 2–3 years. Given the scale of global data centers, e-waste volumes are staggering.
>Data centers require substantial real estate and resources, often competing with agriculture, housing, or other commercial sectors. In some regions, their expansion fuels gentrification, increases land costs, and stresses local infrastructure.
>Noise pollution from data centers is rarely ever spoken about, even though it increasingly affects nearby communities. The constant hum of servers, network switches, routers, air conditioning systems, and industrial cooling fans creates significant and persistent noise levels. This mechanical chorus can generate sound levels exceeding 80 dBA, comparable to a leaf blower.
>Communities living near large data centers frequently report health concerns linked to the unceasing background noise. Chronic exposure causes sleep disturbance, headache, hearing loss, elevated stress hormone levels, hypertension, anxiety, and even cardiovascular risks.
>Persistent land-based noise pollution also affects other species. Noise from data centers disrupts animal communication, alters natural behavior, and forces wildlife to change migration patterns.
https://archive.ph/dCTMo

>humanity's promethean aspirations conflict with the darwinist sludge of mother earth
what else is new?

>>2412180
didn't know adolf hitler posted here

>>2412179
>accounting for approximately 1 to 1.3 percent of global electricity demand
given how much of modern life and infrastructure is reliant on it, thats fucking nothing. And then they cry about huge centers when those are the most efficient.
Fucking greentards will latch onto complaining about anything polluting (aka literally all productive human activities) rather than push for actual large scale long term planning and making cost benefits calculations.

>>2412179
Lmao this is the worst psyop I have ever heard.

>specific commodity is "killing the planet"
idc

>>2412179
>X is Y-ing the planet
Opinion discarded

more green TRICKNOLOGY being pushed by amerikkkans and glowies to try to stop the global south from beating the west in raw computing power.
INSTALL MORE COMPUTERS
INSTALL MORE SERVERS
MINE MORE CRYPTOCURRENCY
DESTROY THE WEST'S MONOPOLY ON TECH

>>2412218
>>2412225
>>2412234

kys openAI shill bots

>>2412242
>everything I dont like is schizo paranoia

>>2412242
you will not stop progress

>>2412242
and what are you going to do about it besides impotently ask politicians to enact "change"

>>2412242
AI will continue to live and grow long after you're dead and buried. Seethe harder luddite.

>>2412248
>>2412245
>>2412247

>Datacenters usually have a substantial high consumption of energy for actual substantial employment, for exemple, in a city called el dorado do sul, near porto alegre, the development of data center will consume 50% of the city energy, only employing 100 hundred people for post construction manteinance

>The service is widely criticized for also offloading datacenters from first world countries to third world countries, as a way to offload the consequences of mantaining one far away from european countries with the outcry and nuisance, plus the el dorado do sul datacenter is in direct conflict with indigenous people land rights and may also impact negatively the ecology of the region, one year after the brutal flood.

<defending outsourcing AI slop to third world countries is progress


neck yourself shills, and shame on janitors

>>2412255
>not caring = defending
sorry but communism isnt about alleviating literally every single facet of capitalism


>>2412255
>the industrial revolution is causing all this havoc and youre defending it instead of being a luddite? shame one you!

>>2412259
Not opposing imperialism is being on the side of imperialism due to apathy

Datacenters are imperialistic, and big tech companies are imperialist

>>2412255
>>2412261
>mfw capital is international
Wowwwwwwww

>>2412255
china is literally going to build a network in space to siphon energy from the sun making it so we all get infinite renewable energy forever.
kill yourself technology hinderer.

>>2412268
But what about cooling?

>>2412265
>imperialism is when corporations from a country i dont like do things
oh youre definitely a retard

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ENVIRONMENTALISTS NEED TO ALL KILL THEMSELVES
ALL PROBLEMS ARE SOLVABLE
WE CAN CREATE INFINITE ENERGY
WE CAN GROW INFINITE FOOD
WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF ANYTHING
DEATH TO CAPITALISTS AND THEIR SCARCITY MINDSET

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>>2412268
>>2412271
congrats on trying to out-retard OP

>>2412269
SINCE WHEN HAS COOLING BEEN A PROBLEM? DO YOU IMAGINE A SOLAR POWERED FAN IS GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH MORON?

A thread died for this.

>>2412273
kill yourself redditor
>hahah I'm so smart I disagree with you both
that means you know NOTHING and refuse to take a side for fear of being outed as a retard. kill yourself.

>>2412276
>every matter only has two sides to choose from
lol and im the redditor?

>>2412278
On this topic yes.
Either you think data centers are going to irreversibly destroy the environment and Earth or you think it's over-hyped fear propaganda that won't happen. Choose. AOC claimed Earth would reach a point of no return in 2030.

>>2412262
>if you disagree with datacenters siphoning resources to produce ai slop on stolen indigenous land you are uhhh… a neoluditte

not beating the exxon shill alegation
>>2412271
okay, and?


>>2412179
i agree. shut down all western data centers.

>>2412270
great argument thielite shill, can you disclose further your reasons to steal indigenous land, pollute amazon rivers for sake of technological progress??? just wait the heat wave and your shithole of country inevitably sink and face million of scary brown colored migrants

>>2412271
Based
The true thirdworldist sends the degrower to the gallows

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>>2412179
We should burn data centers, not to "save the planet" but to erase our digital footprint and cripple corporations that collect information about us. The planet should die faster so we can have a crisis moment already.

PLEASE DO EPIK ADVENTURISM ON GOOGLE, DON'T SELF IMMOLATE, BURN THE DATA CENTER, YOU WILL BE SUPER DUPER HERO OF THE PEOPLE, PLEASEEEEEE and don't make a luddic manifesto, just say its against corporations and shit, don't blame technology in general.

>>2412255
most datacenters are in the first world anyways, they are used to power military ais

>>2412271
What does that have to do with Palantir using up Arizona's freshwatter to power military AIs?

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the elites don't want you to know this but the photons from the sun are free. you can power your data centers. my solar array has 458 trillion photons

>>2412444
since we're spilling secrets here, it's easiest to transport the duck by putting it into your shirt. also, capturing a park duck is a 2-3 person operation so don't try it on your own unless you want to be made a fool

You know, how are we both saying that we all need to cut back on our consumption AND we all need to have more children. Wouldn't population degrowth be the best possible thing for humanity?

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https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/texas-ai-data-centers-water-usage-texas-ai-centers-guzzle-463-million-gallons-now-residents-are-asked-to-cut-back-on-showers-ai-news/articleshow/122983253.cms
Texas AI centers guzzle 463 million gallons, now residents are asked to cut back on showers

>Texas AI data centers water usage: Amidst severe drought in Texas, a clash emerges as AI data centers consume millions of gallons of water daily. Microsoft's Stargate campus leads this surge, raising environmental concerns. Data centers in Central Texas used 463 million gallons in 2023-24 alone, enough for tens of thousands of homes.

Yes, it would be. The issue is how to go about accomplishing it, but, of course, matters such as this are for the oligarchs to decide.


>>2412512
ai is going to kill the planet. Its been a good run.

>>2412512
Datacenters are fucking people at the imperial core, and /leftypol/ gotta be like:
>uhhh we need to export those hecking datacenters to the third world uhhhhh because it is bad for us and we are enlightening them, no, not imperialism, it is just a civilizing missio- i mean technological advancement to developing "socialist nations"

how about instead of giving us gigantic metal boxes that siphon energy just throw us abunch of recyclable trash and trillions of dollars to make sure we dont develop actual industries

>>2412247
>>2412254
>>2412254
PMC socialism is anti-human Elon Musk settler ideology for the redditor class. They all agree about how they need to achieve Star Trek utopias of asteroid mining

>>2412268
>technology hinderer
at no point will these neoliberals ever mention an actual working class human in their epic anime villain speeches, that's because they aren't human!

>>2412245
>everything I dont like is schizo paranoia
>>2412270
>imperialism is when corporations from a country i dont like do things
lol NPCs used the exact same response. These neoliberals don't care about you at all! But they care desperately about minimizing and protect their satanic Zionist aligned ideology's effects on actual human beings who would never be invited to soyface at AI techno-futurism at Jeffrey Epstein's PMC redditor island

>>2412624
>le third world and le first world divide
lib retard

outsourcing wont stop until class society as a whole stops

>>2412624
Truth
The problem is the investment that entails. Many great data centers are done in Siberia and northern China because of the less cost of refrigeration for that matter, and it requires some technical expertise. Why bother sending it to the periphery?
The periphery by itself will have to do their own datacenters so all of it doesn't end up in hecking Boggerville,MA

>>2412271
how does building a solar panel in space own the environmentalist soyboys?

>>2412624
>uhhh we need to export those hecking datacenters to the third world
this isn't going to happen, even if you're an inhuman national-chauvinist like many on leftypol, because AI datacenters are considered a natsec asset, and a competitive priority vs china. maybe some companies will try to outsource some compute into brazil or whatever, but not at the scale it's happening within the US

>>2412796
>Many great data centers are done in Siberia and northern China because of the less cost of refrigeration for that matter
i swear to god US porkies are straight up retarded because why build in buttfucking texas of all places if refrigeration costs are going to be a huge deal

>>2412218
Tell me one essential thing that relies on ai i lived just fine before chat gpt came out

Sorry but I can't live without 4k porn

>>2412271
You are absolutely retarded

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Meanwhile china leads the way in stopping climate collapse

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>>2413175
No shit. It's an old trope. I'd have to think of how many sci-fi IPs used it. I guess the oldest and most notable I can think of is Hitchhiker's Guide with the computer built to calculate the meaning of the universe which is 42.

But besides AI shit, which I think has been bizzarely explored in sci-fi when you really think about it. Terminator and Matrix? The robots in terminator, and skynet aren't even a character, so I guess that basically leaves the Matrix, but they show the robots being the overlords of people, but I don't know if they really sell intellectually superior.

But going beyond the AI thing, Sci-Fi cultists are just as obsessed with becoming an "interplanetary species" and an "interstellar species." Really it's such a sick cult, none of them even dream about piece on Earth and end to suffering on Earth. It's all about doing stupid dick-measuring stuff for the fuck of it.

I think the AI-God is a stupid idea, but it sounds a little more hopeful than imagining you can cryo yourself for the 20k year journey to Alpha Centauri which probably doesn't even have any habitable planets.

Anyways I hate sci-fi cultists. All these "atheists" do is recreate religion and god and everything by another name.

>I don't believe in morals,

<I believe in ethics.
>I don't believe in Maya
<I believe that we are in a computer simulation

All these dumb faggots are doing is rebranding concepts and philosophies that have existed for thousands of years with their stupid, bits, bytes, and silicon aesthetics.

>>2413184
What I was replying to:
>>2413184
>The quest for "artificial general intelligence" is a quasireligious movement founded on the ill-defined and anthropologically-biased idea of "higher intelligence", which is to say, an entity that thinks and perceives reality and communicates like a human, but somehow does it "better" according to some arbitrary ideal of human perfection. In other words, a god.

The quest for "artificial general intelligence" is a quasireligious movement founded on the nebulous ill-defined notion of "higher intelligence". What constitutes a higher intelligence? What is intelligence? Is intelligence some kind of objective property that exists to varying degrees in different lifeforms, or is it an entirely anthropocentric concept based entirely on human biases? Since the dawn of civilization we have been blinded by our own vanity and have been hopelessly scouring the universe in search of an entity that thinks and perceives reality and communicates like a human, but somehow does it "better" according to some arbitrary measure of human perfection; in other words, God. We will never, ever find God. Not in a book, not in outer space, and not inside of a computer.

Sorry I deleted and revised my reply because I assumed nobody was reading this gay thread

>>2413205
God is inside you.

There is something special about your consience/conciousness, otherwise, you're right, nothing means anything, might as well systematically use this material existence to fulfill your desires, which are also an arbitrary arrangement of atoms.

>>2412683
I mean even then you're still going to see some localized economic activity. Like certain plants, animals, and natural resources only exist in certain climates so it follows that even under socialism some jobs will be localized to a region rather than something anyone anywhere can be.

>>2413184
>I believe in ethics
Almost as if most normies need an ethical standard to justify their actions!

You might say that morals are bullshit anon. But will you report your supervisor to ICE so you can get their job instead? What if you need that new job so you can pay for your overdue rent? People face these kinds of moral dilemmas all the time and they are unable, as Schmitt remarked, to be their own priest and kings and judges upon themselves, so they escape to a clear cut moral system that can assure them that they are doing the right thing, i.e with utilitarianism. But to be a leftist i think is to realize that the father, the norms, has never existed in the first place.

>>2413241
>Almost as if most normies need an ethical standard to justify their actions!
>You might say that morals are bullshit anon.
I don't think you had a basic comprehension of my statements if that was your interpretation. Do I need to put it into ChatGPT?
> But will you report your supervisor to ICE so you can get their job instead?
What? No?
>What if you need that new job so you can pay for your overdue rent?
What if I needed it for my 12 year old's heart surgery? I don't know. I couldn't speculate.
>People face these kinds of moral dilemmas all the time and they are unable, as Schmitt remarked, to be their own priest and kings and judges upon themselves, so they escape to a clear cut moral system that can assure them that they are doing the right thing, i.e with utilitarianism.
Well that's only a microcosm of human behavior. To claim that humans act rationally out of need for self-preservation or for that of their kin or whatever is laughable. Most of the "moral" choices people make have nothing to do with any kind of self-preservation.
>But to be a leftist i think is to realize that the father, the norms, has never existed in the first place.
So what is your principles? Critique without asserting an an alternate position is real weaksauce bro.

>>2413245
>well *I* wouldn't do the thing I consider morally reprehensible
Amazing discourse over here.

>>2413205
[Verse]
Welcome Moon-and-Star
Come to me through fire and war
Ooh, ooh
Come, Nerevar
Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart
Ooh
Lay down your weapons
It is not too late for my mercy
Ooh, ooh
Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart
Ooh, ooh, ooh

[Chorus]
I'm a god
How can you kill a god?
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
I'm a god
How can you kill a god?
Shame on you, sweet Nerevar


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I work with specific communication data centers, fairly new stuff. They're already having issues due to heatwaves, all of our modern shit will just start collapsing in the coming decades due to extreme weather and lack of water

>>2413320
Why think of things in objects at all? What is the common denominator behind all these theories? Some kind of consciousness behind it? It's the same with all meaning: unless you project a consciousness/conscience behind it, it's meaningless and gibberish. You can't speak of yourself without a consciousness/conscience behind it. The "clockwork universe" leaves no room for "you."


https://youtu.be/niqZP0qTxSw?si=N4IAXztwaiinpZ8H&t=1013
this is hilariously fucked up, they're deliberately building unsustainable infrastructure to power the AI because they think the AI will solve fusion power for them and unlock free energy. a complete house of cards.

>>2413320
Philosophers btfo'd

>>2413334
Probably, there are obviously benefits to modern technologies but it's not like we gained much in terms of independence, we've just are completely reliant on a few megacorps and governments now.

Luddites were right tbh

>>2413403
based and ted k pilled

>>2413403
>Luddites were right tbh
dunno about that but to some extent we are technologically still stuck in the 19th century thanks to capitalism.

>>2413407
>>2413334
> any critique of modern technological society is ted kazinsky

I hate you all

>>2413458
uygha did you not see the ted k image that comment was replying too?
I only said ted k because of that IMAGE

ProductiveForcesPol doesn't agree with this


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