/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Progress is a gacha game. Conflict drives change and sometimes those changes are good.

>>2413810
I think it's really the opposite. The contradiction of the proletariat and bourgeoise is deeply stagnant under state-monopoly capital. As much as people on this forum despise idpol, state-monopoly capital holds us back from resolving the gender war and so on.

Socialism is necessary because it will truly unleash the productive forces and bring about the fruition of a great more social contradictions. But these contradictions won't be fundamentally based on exploitation and antagonistic like the worker/capitalist contradiction. Think about helping the periphery develop. Under state-monopoly capital, that's just CIA bullshit and petty-bourgeois virtue-signaling. We need socialism so that real cooperation and development of the looted nations can occur.

>>2413949
>The contradiction of the proletariat and bourgeoise is deeply stagnant
Because they don't come to a conclusion, contradictions shouldn't halt, they should be exacerbated.

any time some marxist says "progress" or "progressive" just ctrl+f and replace with "acceleration" or "accelerationist" because that's what they really mean. not the aura vibes "progressive" that liberals talk about which is usually "uhhh the bourgeoisie now pretends to be 1% nicer to this despised minority after a long reformist civil rights campaign, hashtag more black girlbosses" or whatever

Can we not talk like hegelians? I’m really bored of Hegel. ‘Contradictions’ don’t drive progress. Tension, conflict, and co-operation do.

>>2413958
And capitalism isn’t ‘contradictory’, just short-sighted and self-destructive. I wouldn’t call a heroin addict ‘contradictory’

>>2413953
>>2413810
OP has an excellent point but I think we are past this old proletarian/bourgeoisie dialectics as we are slowly entering AI run economics. We have less and less need for labor.

>>2413953
In the small town of Taos, New Mexico an unfortunate scene occurs, a man happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, the scene of a gang killing. The man happens to stumble across the dead just as police patrol arrives with its siren blasting. The man gets on his knees, after which an officer exits the patrol car, handcuffs him, then proceeds to begin beating him with a baton.
A strange old man appears from an alleyway, walks up to the officer and whispers:
"Faster."
The officer in all his bloodlust comes to a halt, he responds in confusion:
"What? MOVE AWAY, you're interfering with a crime scene AND YOU WILL BE ARRESTED IF YOU DO NOT WALK AWAY!"
The strange old man takes twenty paces back, the officer looks at him still holding up the baton ready to strike the innocent man, eagerly awaiting the next moment. After a few seconds pass, the officer continues his beating.
The old man cups his hands into a funnel and begins to shout:
"FASTER, FASTER, BEAT HIM FASTER."
The officer, no longer bothered by the old man being up close continues to pummel the man until he has expired.
The officer takes a glance back at the old man, who at this point has his dick out and is masturbating furiously.
The old man? Nick Land. The officer? Robocop. The innocent man? John Rambo.

>>2413964
Made me laugh.

>le contradictions
>let's bring about more contradictions
midwit who only read mao at best alert

>>2413977
Mao won, Marx and Lenin lost, we should only read winners

contradictions dont exist in reality

>>2414189
yes, she was right

>>2414192
name a single libertarian state where all drugs were legalized

>>2414196
name a single contradiction in reality

>>2414196
DPRK

>>2414198
So ur with ur honey and yur making out wen the phone rigns. U anser it n the vioce is "wut r u doing wit my daughter?" U tell ur girl n she say "my dad is ded". THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

>>2414198
I don't know, you tell me?

>>2413810
Contradictions are inherent in the development of all things. Everything is in flux, contradictions cause this constant movement. Without contradiction, nothing can exist.
>Isn't that progressive?
Yes.
>Should we not bring about more contradictions to see change in the mode of production?
This is the wrong frame of mind. Contradictions will always exist and be created and be resolved. Contradictions within capitalism are created and resolved constantly but the primary contradiction of the classes can only be resolved by revolution and socialism, but contradictions will always emerge. Even in communism, while classes as a contradiction will cease to be other contradictions will arise because contradictions make up everything.

Tldr
Op, your logic is as flawed as saying, "let's make evolution happen faster by creating more matter!"

>>2414225
>Op, your logic is as flawed as saying, "let's make evolution happen faster by creating more matter!"
Why is that flawed?

>>2414227
The law of the conservation of mass.

>>2413958
Marxists are hegelians by default. Also, sublation drives progress, not contradictions alone

>>2414233
>The law of the conservation of mass.
So will breeding more or exterminating more prompt evolution? The first is like more genetic material, the latter is more like social darwinism.

>>2414237
breeding and exterminating don't create or destroy mass

>>2414239
Not in general mass sure, but they do transmute mass into humans which are the evolutionary subject.

>>2414214
there are no contradictions in reality, so i cannot
the notion of "contradiction" to aristotle largely occupies itself with sophism for this reason. this is where dialectical and demonstrative propositions differ also, where a demonstration cannot permit contradiction in its terms, yet in a dialectic, a contradiction is proposed, for it to be solved. the socratic method is dialectical for this reason. hegel's view of contradiction is only that a concept is realised by its own mutual opposition, yet each category of its becoming still pertains to its own identity. my own existence and yours exist in mutual opposition, but to call this contradictory would be to miss the singularity of each of our own identity; "contra-diction" is to mis-attribute the same identity to different things for this reason (A ≠ not-A). thats why a unity of opposites is impermissible, except where they conform to a higher identity, which is a process called "abstraction".

>>2413810
Vulgar Marxists go on about how capitalism (or whatever they don't like) must end because of contradictions. But contradictions can be quite stable. An orbit, for example.

Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone should even go on about dialectics unless they can explain picrel.

>>2415667
Looks like one of Peterson's nonsense PowerPoints
There, I explained it
I will of course go on about whatever I please no matter what (other) idiots on the net say

>>2414234
>Marxists are hegelians by default
lmao retarded pseud, dialectics for marx is just a mode of presentation

When Mao said reading books was harmful he meant his own dogshit essays.

>>2415667
Bruh.

>>2416173
To be fair during Mao's time China had a really low literacy rate.

>>2415667
thats why hegel is a superior thinker, since he sees how contradiction is constitutive of identity, rather than deconstructive of it. contradictions are also resolved by "conditions" or "operations" of logic which grant the simultaneity of contrary affirmations by a negating medium, the same way time grows with space (where being and time can be seen as simultaneous notions - such as plato writes in "timaeus"; the eternal monad becomes the dyad by the medium of number, or time).
>>2416171
marx expressly embraces dialectics, by reversing hegel:
>My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, the life process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of “the Idea,” he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of “the Idea.” With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind, and translated into forms of thought.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p3.htm

>>2416171
Marx disagreed with Hegel's absolute idealism, but accepted his general ideas and proudly called him a "nightly thinker" and his pupil. You would know this if you weren't so clueless and illiterate. Read the article that >>2416278 posted before you call anyone a pseud

Can one of you Hegel heads plz explain this one?

>>2413810
No, contradictions fetter progress, and he fettering of progress is resolved through historical ruptures. Contradictions are why revolutions are the motor of history.

>>2413959
Capitalism is extremely contradictory, what makes it contradictory is its centrifugal properties, it develops through its contradictions. The contradiction that drives capitalism simultaneously toward monopoly and toward disintegration of monopolies is one such contradiction. That which leads to expanding production also leads to collapses in production when production has expanded too much. The globalization of production leads also to protectionism and global fracture as national capitals scramble to secure “strategic sovereignty” and ensure that amid a globalizing, equalizing capitalist development their individual national capital remains competitive or hegemonic, the contradiction that sees the proletariat ever widening and being input into production at increased rates which then turns into the surplus population of declassed and unemployed widening and labor saving technologies or even just the breakdown of production occurring. These are just off the top of my head.

>>2416304
hegel's logic is based around triads