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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Being right-wing is often the worst position to criticize anything from, because every direction you swing exposes your own foundation. If you're Christian and anti-Semitic, you're sawing off the branch you're sitting on. Your savior was a Jew, your scripture is Jewish, your moral code is Jewish law repackaged for empire. Attack the Jew and you attack your own metaphysics. Undermine them, and the West’s entire religious heritage begins to unravel. Christianity isn’t an antidote to Jewish influence—it was the delivery system. Which makes the "Christian nationalist" a contradiction: waving the banner of a foreign god while cursing his kin.

Go racial instead, and it gets even worse. Make it about whiteness, and you inherit the full weight of Western history—every atrocity, every conquest, every empire built on bones. If the West is collapsing, and you claim white men built it, then the blame is yours too. You can’t have the cathedrals and clean cities without the colonization and corpses. You can’t take credit for the structure without answering for its rot. The more you elevate race or heritage, the more inescapable the accountability becomes.

this is why reactionary politics is inherently contradictoty, since it can only be sustained by an uncritical consciousness of things

>>2414645
we are also living during not only the long general historical trend towards socialism as a mode of production but also happening with this in the superstructure there is a reevaluation of all (west european, imperialist) values we have. it's why now during ideological and organizational confusion, the powers that be do not want the educated proletariat to get into contact with lucid marxist ideas of class war and revolution but pushes nietzschean irrationalism as the core of our value system is fixated inwards, towards the angst ridden doomed petty bourgeois that gives rise to values such as individualism, consumerism, identity politics and everything we hate with the world, and manifests itself as the hustler, the businessman, the enterperneur.

which way, western marxist? will you end up eating from the trash can of ideology?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1934/capitalist-culture.htm

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>>2414653
>we are also living during not only the long general historical trend towards socialism as a mode of production
liberalism has already established the end of history.
>the powers that be do not want the educated proletariat to get into contact with lucid marxist ideas of class war and revolution
why dont you contact the "educated proletariat" yourself?
>nietzschean irrationalism
buzzwords
>the angst ridden doomed petty bourgeois that gives rise to values such as individualism, consumerism, identity politics and everything we hate with the world
is class politics not just another form of identity? thats why you can replace "bourgeoisie" with "jew" and your far left text suddenly becomes far right. theyre both symptoms of the same pathology.

>>2414682
terrible bait

>>2414696
terrible rebuttal.
liberalism has defeated the nazis and soviets.

>>2414644
> If you're Christian and anti-Semitic, you're sawing off the branch you're sitting on. Your savior was a Jew, your scripture is Jewish, your moral code is Jewish law repackaged for empire
While I would agree with this in general, this doesn't actually hold up because Modern Judaism is EXPLICITLY the shit Jesus himself fucking despised. Modern Judaism is Phariseeism mashed with Galut Babylonian Talmudism. Just read the New Testament to see how Jesus felt about the Pharisees.
That said, I agree in general, everything the right says is largely hypocritical. They mostly reject materialist explanations and rely on feels instead to explain why things went wrong. (that said so do the left often, just bring up genetics and biology on this sub and watch the gnashing and wailing before you get banned)
I've long said that the right got the world they wanted, we live in a hyper-capitalist gilded age with massive market fetishization, and rightoids hate it.

>>2414704
the old testament jews were also sinners
paul explains how the true priesthood is from the eternal order of melchisedek and the false is from aaron.

>>2414701
It’s losing against modern China and Islamism right now

>>2414735
china is liberalising though, so its losing to itself?

>>2414739
It’s not the Jiang Zemin era anymore, Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping have largely reversed the tide

>>2414735
Rlly
Xi Jinping is bringing back autocracy but Chinese society has become fundamentally liberal and urbane
The Islamists who won in Syria and Afghanistan are now focusing on courting foreign investments even though rank and file retards are still obsessed with killing minorities
Liberalism is just a superior system man since it gives room for people to practice their systems of ethics and religion while still leaving room for other people's belief system, idk what else to tell you. Any attempt by either chuds or libtards to force their moral system by force only result in repulsing people and make them liberal.

>>2414749
>>2414749
>libtards to force their moral system by force only result in repulsing people and make them liberal.
<libtards forcing their moral system repulses them and makes them liberal.

>>2414753
20 years a grammarfag award

>>2414755
god i want a grammarfag award

>>2414755
>20 years a grammarfag award
I sincerely didn't understand what you meant. If I was trying to nitpick your grammar I'd point to your other redundancy.

>force their moral system by force

>>2414757
>Call everyone a transhumanist award

>>2414757
You have brown hair and a cheek freckle.

>>2414768
>Call idiots a brunette award

>>2414749
The islamists i was referring to are Hamas, they are bleeding Israel dry in Gaza and will be in the knesset by 2030

>—

>>2414772
>despite being a "woman"
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm a father.

>>2414835
new prophecy just dropped

>>2414645
>>2414653
I think capitalists are starting too(or have already been doing so) shilling any variation of "feels over reals" ideologies since pretty much any schmuck could sit down and do there own little rationalist material analysis and realize there being screwed over with no marx or lenin needed. Add a bunch of ppl actively spreading that shit and willing to explain it and you may have a problem with your superstructure(from the perspective of the capitalist at least). Thus comes a material incentive for capitalists to endorse and spread any kind of feels over reals woowoo idealism to prevent that exact situation. Its practically one of the uniting features of the disparate right wing ideologies along with belief in hierarchy for hierarchies sake or the belief your the only truly human person in a world of mindless NPCs.

>>2414644
>Your savior was a Jew, your scripture is Jewish, your moral code is Jewish law repackaged for empire
none of those is true

>>2414644
>Which makes the "Christian nationalist" a contradiction
it's not a contradiction it's an idiosyncrasy: christians don't constitute a nation

>If the West is collapsing, and you claim white men built it, then the blame is yours too
Yes. History is an eternal battle against the forces of entropy. Our fight, as right wingers, is to reinvigorate another generation of the West so that we may live another day as the foremost civilization of the world. Whiteness, in and of itself, does not build a civilization. It's a necessary but not sufficient ingredient in the development of the West.
>You can’t have the cathedrals and clean cities without the colonization and corpses
I'm gonna give two somewhat contradictory answers to this here. One, I don't really care. I care first and foremost about my people, and anything bad that happens to others is of less concern to me. But secondly, our wealth isn't really built on corpses. Barbarism and death is just a fact of life, and we in many cases alleviated it.

>>2416029
The future high civilization is coming from Sub-Saharan Africa.


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>>2414682
>is class politics not just another form of identity? thats why you can replace "bourgeoisie" with "jew" and your far left text suddenly becomes far right. theyre both symptoms of the same pathology.
Antisemitism is usually a dodge to avoid taking responsibility for something. Like Trump does a thing and people say the Jews did this, but a lot of these people have been shilling Trump for years. These weasels might say something in response like "well the Jews duped me" but they won't say they were ever duping anybody. But that's BS. There's usually some kind of projection involved.

There's a fair number of rightists who think antisemitism is a way to turn socialists into rightists, and they are sometimes successful, but usually with stupid and vulgar populist forms of socialism. Like if their motivations are mainly based in resentment or revenge or something. But the thing with wealth being the focus of the critique rather than some ontological status is that you can theoretically take someone's money without taking away their life. Jews by their very existence as Jews is their problem in this other imaginary. It's also a bit like a fantasy monster hunt: the dragons are hoarding all the gold in the mountains, so go slay them.

There's also a big chunk of the left which has inherited the tradition of the Enlightenment. They see themselves as being part of a bigger battle between obscurantism on one side, and truth and reason on the other. They are "defenders of the rights for all citizens" and believe in democracy and secularism. There are some leftists who are like "that's just a bunch of jive and a distraction from the class struggle" but that can only be maintained for so long when you have a bunch of antisemitic reactionary nationalists running around wanting to throw everyone to their left into a concentration camp.

>>2416112
As a rightist, I think Trump has served a useful purpose in shifting the overton window to the right wing.
>But the thing with wealth being the focus of the critique rather than some ontological status is that you can theoretically take someone's money without taking away their life
But the problem with it is that wealth is just a stand in for power. And power hierarchies are a fact of life.
>Jews by their very existence as Jews is their problem
Judaism is an ethnoreligion. This makes it impossible for Jews to assimilate to a host nation without losing their Jewishness. This is the problem with Jews. It's not an arbitrary boogeyman.

>>2415141
>i believe in supernatural things therefore i am forced to be a militant defender of the ruling class
more marxist nonsense.

>>2416112
the bourgeoisie also attain an ontological status to marxists, where everything wrong in society is blamed on the omnipotent ruling class, like christians blaming the devil or reactionaries blaming jews, or "elites". there is no difference except the signifier.

>>2416293
>Blaming the wealthiest people with the most money and influence is SCAPEGOATING AND ANTI SEMITIC AND CHRISTIAN
well then you call me Jesus and let me whip you to death you fucking merchant. who the fuck is retarded enough to make this argument sincerely?

>>2416298
yes, the only difference between the far right and far left is the signifier of blame. both are paranoid positions looking for a scapegoat.

>>2416301
t. wealthy scumbag trying to pretend like no one is at fault
you need to be beaten to death

>>2416301
so trve bestie
now kill yourself


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