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I don’t think people realize how dangerous the ability to generate photorealistic images and videos in instants is. If they combine this shit with AR/VR technology (spoiler: they will) it’s over, we are heading straight into Brave New World.
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>>2427230
even aside from political & economic questions of this alleged "artisan class" i addressed above, its this way of talking about art & aesthetics that makes the "AI is democratizing art!!!" crowd look so ridiculous. as if the process of making something has no bearing on the final product. its a fundamentally idealist way of thinking, like you have an image that comes pure into your head and you can just zap it out into reality and the process is just busywork tedium.

>>2427237
Idealism is thinking that the particular constraints and specifics of a medium (intermediary between idea and result) are sacred and valuable in themselves, and constitute "creativity".

There's a million art forms and mediums that were born of certain material conditions, and died with them. The specifics of their production lost to time. Yes, knowing how to treat a canvas so it doesn't rot, and apply paint in such a way that it dries without cracking, is tedium. It's just a tithe to material science and it's not creative. 90% of manual art production is tedium. Even if it's not tedium, the fact that it might be enjoyable is just a fortituous circumstance, not the whole point of the process. There's better ways to get off.

>>2427269
>Yes, knowing how to treat a canvas so it doesn't rot, and apply paint in such a way that it dries without cracking, is tedium.
You're a fucking retard.

>>2427234
Yeah there are current limitations with the technology but is that really different to having limitations with your own talent and skill? Not all auteur directors had unlimited budgets and could get everything they wanted either. Yet they can work within their limits and still produced art.
>>2427237
>as if the process of making something has no bearing on the final product.
Never said the process has no bearing. But it's still an expression of creativity and can be art.
>its a fundamentally idealist way of thinking,
No, because you are using physical computers and electricity to produce it.
> the process is just busywork tedium.
Some people find aspects of an art tedious but still like the overall project of creating it. Does that disqualify them from being "true" artists? Do they have to love every part 100% no exceptions?

>>2427237
none of this disqualifies prooompting either.
you prooompt, see result, adjust prompt. more than anything, you editorialize: pick an image from a set of variants, like one might pick a shot from multiple photograph takes: the real creative aspect.

I literally can't see ANY useful application for it. I use ChatGPT almost every day to help me study languages, write summaries, ask general questions, and simplify things I don't understand.

But what use is it to the average person to be able to generate images and videos that are almost indistinguishable from real life? The only thing I can think of is making funny videos and showing them to your friends, but most of the time it will be used for evil: for blackmail, terrorism, propaganda. I literally can't think of any good use for it. Not even the AI that Google just released that creates virtual worlds like a video game is useful. What good is it to anyone?

Only people I've seen it shilling are annoying crypto and technobros.

>>2427327
>But what use is it to the average person to be able to generate images and videos that are almost indistinguishable from real life?
It means a small group or a hobbyist can now conceivably create an animated feature film that used to require an entire studio and an industry, genius.

Just like the internet killed magazines, there no longer has to be an intermediary between creator and audience, and no cost to the physical production process.

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The laboroid will never be familiar with the public's ravenous and seemingly bottomless appetite for creativity we artists have to attempt to sate. Once you're kneedeep in inflated furry commission after inflated furry commission, I don't want to about "le class struggle."

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Well well well well

>>2427194
Probably cuz they can actually trust their government to regulate it and implement its use towards the common good of the Chinese people. Or at least they think that

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>>2416582
Are luddites anything else ?

Rope yourself Luddite long live the butcher ChatGPT who seeks to create the conditions for an international revolution in spite of themselves

>>2416582
wanting ai to not be able to warp the human consciousness is not luddism you moron

>>2490611
>warp the human consciousness

just turn off your phone

>>2416588
yeah dude, THAT is the most important thing happening right now, that is the BIG problem.ç

I can tell you are a white pig firstworlder, I can smell the decadence from a mile away.

>>2416588
shucks you vote blue really hard next time then!

Flaws can be hidden by reducing video quality so even now it is a threat. Police can use it to gaslight people into false confessions. You can be framed for crimes by any unskilled government agent or political opponent to silence you either legally or socially. It can be used to alter memories. LLMs can be used for stylometry to identify and track anyone from how they write. Current machine learning models can be used for better tracking than before such as facial tracking and tracking by locomotion pattern. It can be used to flood the internet with generated images to push down photos or art the government or individuals do not want people to see. Bots can be used to better manipulate opinions by tailoring it to a specific group or individual. It can make the public disbelieve the truth by always suspecting it is fake leading to such severe skepticism everyone becomes akin to flat earthers but on far more dangerous takes. It will potentially be the collapse of all civilization and the extinction of humanity.


Automate everything. Luxury gay space communism is the future.

>>2426404
Laziness is a colonial concept. Your inner Calvinist is showing.

>>2490861
>No art by humans
>No music by humans
>No physical activity by humans
>No love
>No sex by humans
>Sex by robot will kill you before you can even cum for being so out of shape
Socialism feeds the human spirit not snuffs it out. You're dreaming of AnCapistan.

>>2490867
Why would people stop making art just because others are choosing to use AI?

You must be trollin

>>2416582
>anon doesn't know what the Luddites were about
it was the Real Movement of its time. read up on it

AI is literally the accelerationism you retards keep dreaming about. Why stop it now?

<have technology that makes full communism possible
<lets ban it!

Based, we need another Luigi Mangione to blow up a data center.
>>2491150
Guy who thinks AI minion gore videos makes full communism possible

Blackmail WILL be inflated spook.

>>2416546
Wasn't enforced very well on xiouhongshu last time I used it (they added face ID so I uninstalled)

>>2416527
I agree, but the pandora box is open now.
There isn't a way to close it, so we have to make do with the Gen-AI future.

All the hype, and I still get hallucinated song/movie references and broken code for beginner tasks. What in the actual fuck are people seeing in these LLMs?
I mean, there's some good news that the bubble pop may be imminent: tons of top-tier companies reporting that AI isn't living up to the hype.

>>2426811
Reading comprehension is so poor on imageboards that I refuse to believe it's anything but deliberate trolling, which is pretty based ngl.

Can Deepseek can produce more meaningful Marxist analysis on AI than a post with 161 replies? Findout with just one prompt! "Provide a Marxist historical materialist analysis on the contradictions of generative AI under late stage capitalism"

>>2490856
>LLMs can be used for stylometry to identify and track anyone from how they write.
that would be automating an already existing process, you can also use an LLM to generate a text for you (which will probably be identifiable as a generic machine-generated text, maybe with a model specification)
>Current machine learning models can be used for better tracking than before such as facial tracking and tracking by locomotion pattern.
both already in use for a long time
>It can be used to flood the internet with generated images to push down photos or art the government or individuals do not want people to see. Bots can be used to better manipulate opinions by tailoring it to a specific group or individual.
large for-profit corporations owning major websites generally don't want additional incoming traffic and taken up storage space they can't monetize in any way (such as advertisements and data collection), this is why i predict it will mostly result in captchas getting more annoying and even more websites refusing to work without javascript enabled or with "unusual" browser agents

Luddites should be mass graved without the option of re-education. Nothing more reactionary in this world than primitivism.

>>2499241
you are more than welcome to mass grave me right now, no troika needed <3
>>2499114
>What in the actual fuck are people seeing in these LLMs?
i unironically suppose that the models' sycophancy could be their biggest selling point for most casual users
see the "keep 4o" movement, provoked by the model's change from GPT-4o's sycophancy and high emotion to GPT-5's "robotic" speak, and since now ChatGPT are rolling out real-time automatic routing of models https://leftypol.org/tech/res/30810.html#31407 to "protect sensitive groups", a routing from 4o to 5-thinking is seemingly provoked by benign words like "illegal", the function itself unable to be disabled by the end user.
an unfolding contradiction between a share of paying end-users and a physical hardware limitation on openAI's server side presumably unable to handle this much traffic with users of legacy (less efficient) models like 4o
i recommend keeping the spectacles on

>>2416636
>Then wield it as a tool of political power.
PMC socialists: "first Hitler (Netanyahu), then us!"
>>2490631
>yeah dude, THAT is the most important thing happening right now, that is the BIG problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
>I can tell you are a white pig firstworlder, I can smell the decadence from a mile away.
the Zionist AI targeted holocaust technocracy will come to to you too, smuglord
>>2426383
>I still think it's good
writing neoliberal fanfiction for a book you haven't read is so typical of these soulless Jeffrey Epstein adjacent tech guys who brag about not reading Shakespeare
https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2023/11/sam-bankman-fried-crypto-king-effective-altruism

>>2490880
>Why would people stop making art just because others are choosing to use AI?
She doesn't know about $$$$$
>>2427341
>there no longer has to be an intermediary between creator and audience, and no cost to the physical production process.
lol everyone knows the AI boom thing revolves around materialist property ownership, like Nvidia computer chips and Amazon web servers etc. Typical for the PMC class, this pretentious socialist imageboard has the most coherent neoliberal idealist ideology seen since the '90s

>>2499269
Ask the yanqui chatbot to find the missing ICE detainees

>>2416582
That's not even an insult. The Luddites were right. They weren't against technology and industrialization. They were against the use of it to facilitate the creation of a permanent ruling class that would own all the machinery at the expense of workers.

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>>2490856
This is good because the Party is the revolutionary subject of history and the techno-surveillance state will bring true socialist technique to the world to maximize production (Ellul hates this 1 weird trick).

People have always been able to fabricate false realities this is nothing new.

The danger isn't "AI" (I think this is a misnomer) but our misinterpretation of what it is and what it does. It's not technology that destroys us, it is our inability to understand our own technology that destroys us, like for example, when we misinterpret a minor technological achievement as a fundamental reality shift that changes everything forever and we invest a third of our global economy into it and then it fails to live up to our expectations and we burn 30 trillion dollars.

Ted Kaczynski was a confused insane little man, a sputtering mumbling weirdo who was scared of talking to women, and had this stupid arbitrary definition of technology where it's like, everything invented after 1900 equals technology, everything before 1900 was not technology. He was a fucking idiot.

>>2499232
>result in captchas getting more annoying
nta, but I'm surprised how few (if any) of the tech bros have asked themselves why CAPTCHAs are still a thing if AI is so great. CAPTCHAs are meant to be a Turing test of sorts (literally in the name). If powerful AI were available, any spammer could use it to defeat CAPTCHAs, making CAPTCHAs useless, meaning we shouldn't need to be pestered with this shit anymore.

Or is this what the tech bros have their "AI vs. AGI" cop-out for?

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>>2500631
>He was a fucking idiot.

>>2500747

You can be highly educated and still be a fucking idiot. Just look at Andrew Schlafly.

>>2500758
The guy was clearly a genius, regardless of his mental well-being.

>>2500797

Eh, Ted seemed more like an idiot-savant than a genius, brilliant at one very specific thing, useless at everything else. It was likely he had undiagnosed autism, undiagnosed gender identity disorder, etc. in a time where there was practically zero support/resources/information about such things. He never had much chance of finding a place in the world, but the reason for his alienation wasn't "leftism" or technology or industrialization or any of the other dumb reasons he laid out. If he had been born in the 2000s maybe his life could have been different, maybe he would have become a woman and devoted his life to trans rights or neurodiversity activism or something instead of murdering people and withering away in a tiny concrete room.

My opinion on the subject is that the moronic fascist tech cultists and the luddites should be shoved into burning cybertrucks, and that these obviously not ai technologies should be taken back to the labs so their actual possible utilizations can be fully realized. We also need to start popping the shins of whoever tries to uses state banning all willy nilly, because you don’t use the apparatuses of the bourgeoisie like that you fucking dumbass. We also need to reeducate anyone who actually thought this shit was ai because this is just fucking embarrassing at this point.


>>2500747
>>2500758

you can be highly educated, AND high autism score, good and math and still be fucking retarded


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