We frequently talk about how eugenics is the ideological backbone of capitalism and how nearly every aspect of capitalism is rooted in eugenics. This happens even in capitalist countries with “universal” healthcare such as Canada, where a hospital recently killed a baby girl by denying her a much-needed liver transplant. Why? Because she had Down Syndrome.
>Krystal Vanderbrugghen gave birth to her daughter, Veya, in December of 2023. She was born with Down syndrome and a congenital heart defect (CHD). Though Veya was able to have a successful heart repair, she then began experiencing complications with her liver.
>In an interview with Live Action News, Vanderbrugghen said Veya is a medically complex child, but her liver has been an ongoing problem, which took nearly a year to diagnose.
>As the hospital attempted treatment with multiple procedures last year, Veya then contracted Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) — which is mild in adults, but can be life-threatening for infants, the elderly, or people with compromised immune systems. “That really knocked her down,” Vanderbrugghen said.But then, this year, something even more frightening occurred.
>“… [T]he more alarming thing that happened was she was overdosed on January 6th of this year with potassium… 10 times the amount of what she normally receives,” Vanderbrugghen told Live Action News. “… [S]he usually gets two doses of potassium in a day. Each are drawn up as 1.5 milliliters. And on that day, she got two syringes filled with 15 milliliters of potassium. So that sent her heart rate to 350 beats per minute, and they had to use cardioversion shocks on her three times to stabilize her.”
>Initially, Vanderbrugghen assumed it was an honest mistake. But due to subsequent events, she’s now questioning if it was truly an accident.
>Just two weeks after this terrifying incident in January, the family met with Veya’s team of doctors treating her liver condition. “… [E]verything we’ve done so far has not been successful,” said Vanderbrugghen. “And that’s when we learned that she was denied a transplant, which left us questioning a lot of things.”
>The reason for the family’s confusion is because all of Veya’s “individual system teams — like cardiology, nephrology, respirology, all of them — said she would do great, and she’s allowed to go for the liver transplant,” she said. The transplant team seeks feedback from those teams to help determine whether a transplant is a good course of action.
>“But [the transplant team] decided that they were looking at the big picture and said no,” Vanderbrugghen said. “And so I’ve been asking for six months, what is this ‘big picture’?”
>When Vanderbrugghen challenged Veya’s medical team, she said she was then told that the doctors “need to think about the live donor. If it’s not successful, we don’t want to put them through it.”
>Vanderbrugghen argued that “consenting adults” can choose whether or not to take the risk, “knowing that it may work or it may not work” — and urged the transplant team to leave the decision to the donor or donors.https://www.liveaction.org/news/mom-fights-save-daughter-canadian-healthcare-dead/This disabled baby later died of her illness on August 1. She was 20 months old and slept her entire life at the mercy of doctors who routinely denied her care BECAUSE of her disability.
So why aren’t comrades up in arms about this? Denying a baby with Down Syndrome an organ transplant because of their disability and “quality of life” sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine if autistic people were denied lifesaving care in the basis our “quality of life” wouldn’t improve and scarce organs should only go to allistic people instead? Canada is already in the middle of legalizing MAiD for neurodivergent differences just like they push MAiD on people with physical disabilities. They literally want all disabled people eradicated.
We need to stop this and demand action against eugenics.
RIP Veya and all other disabled people killed by eugenics
>>2418770So hospitals should be allowed to deny disabled people live saving treatment due to some ambiguous and capitalist-influenced “quality of life” notion?
If they do this to people with Down Syndrome it’s only a matter of time before they do this to autistic people on the same basis.
>>2418776Where did I say "quality of life"? I said survivability and availability of viable organ transplants are the reason for these kinds of procedures
>>2418781>everyone’s ailment is treated equally and there are no priorities based on bourgeois criteriaEveryone is treated equally in this paradigm. There's only so many organs to go around, as many people as possible need to be saved given that circumstance. Why tf should you waste a perfectly viable organ transplant on somebody that has half the survivability of somebody else that is equally in need of it, you're gonna get both of them killed over your moralistic bullshit. If they had cancer they probably wouldn't get a transplant either. There's nothing bourgeois or eugenicist or whatever other buzzword you wanna throw at it about it
>>2418834>>2418888Also look up the issues surrounding fetal organ harvesting from aborted fetuses. Usually, the mothers are tricked by the clinics into handing over their dead fetus’ remains to procurement agencies that then sell the fetal organs to research universities.
The truth is, most donated organs aren’t used for transplants but are simply used for medical experimentation.
Also the Zionist entity is notorious for killing Palestinians for their organs. Zionists are huge in the global organ trade.
>>2418749rational decision, she shouldnt have been born in the first place. Dont you barbarians have fetus screening for common genetic diseases?
>muh eugenicsabortion of fetus you can predict gonna have heavy disabilities should be common fucking sense. Just try again, dont ruin the life of two people for something that wont even be able to enjoy it and will spend its time in hospitals.
also dont act like organ donation is your due, there are fucking waiting lists because there are not enough organs
>>2418910Some weird hyperchristian fags did this in the UK a few years ago, had a nonviable baby that was all fucked up with some rare kind of fuckery and decided it was better for god to fly his brain-dead body to the USA and cart it around a bunch of quack fake privatized doctors, it was all pretty crazy. Then there was another one seeing the attention the first campaign got they did the same but for some special quack vatican religious hospital.
These types people should have social services at their door at first instance should they ever even try for children, honestly, we have a state for a reason, no?
>>2418918I remember a very similar case in the early 2010s called “Baby Joseph”. Canadian couple (also devout Christians) were warring with the Canadian hospital to keep their brain dead kid alive and went to the US for treatment. Needless to say, their kid didn’t last long.
Seems like the only reason these cases get any attention at all is for propaganda against universal healthcare.
>>2418928>>2418949Keep in mind, American hospitals will do the opposite of what hospitals in countries with universal healthcare will do by engaging in futile treatments, simply because it’s more profit for them. End-of-life care is when for-profit hospitals really start milking the families, especially since there’s no practical limit to what those hospitals will do in order to keep a dying patient alive. Theoretically, a hospital in America could pump $10 million worth of oxygen into what’s essentially a mangled corpse. That’s way more money than the vast majority of humanity will ever see in their lifetimes.
If I ever become terminally ill, I would much rather die at home in my loved ones’ arms. That’s better than dying in a cold, sterile hospital room with tubes shoved down my throat, tubes shoved up my nose, and my body hooked to three or four different machines that keep me living only slightly longer while I’m lying there unconscious and my family now has to pay a six-digit medical bill.
>>2418797this post has it right. I dont see how this is really an issue. i dont want liver transplants going to heavily disabled kids with other complications that make that organ likely to be wasted.
that being said, there really needs to be compulsory organ harvesting
Looking at this case, it seems like this baby was too weak for a liver transplant and that's why she was denied. It's triage: we save whom we're able to save. Standard protocol. If the family and their supporters are going to scream about eugenics they're obviously deceiving everyone for pity points. The hospital did nothing wrong.
I work as an RN in Canda, close to the US border. One of my good friends is a NICU nurse in the US, living in a red state with an air-tight abortion ban. She's told me countless times how the number of babies born with anomalies, birth defects, and genetic/chromosomal abnormalities (especially T21) have gone through the roof ever since Roe vs. Wade was overturned and the trigger abortion ban went into effect. We're talking babies who need heart surgery immediately following birth and who will need numerous heart surgeries throughout their childhoods. Not to mention, lung issues, kidney issues, GI issues, thyroid issues, etc. This little girl in OP's pic is *not* the exception for Down Syndrome babies but the norm. Babies with T21 have a 5-10% chance of dying in their first year (infant morality for American babies overall is 0.5% and that's very high for an imperialist country). T21 is NOT NOT NOT simply "neurodivergence" but a very serious medical condition.
>>2418749You "leftist" glowuyghurs call everything eugenics. This puts you on the same side as religious fundamentalists who give birth to kids who will suffer their entire hopefully short lives on purpose since it was "god's decision". You are not materialists.
Materialists have always understood that human health has to be managed rationally, that's why physical education was always a high priority in socialist countries. Eugenics is a specific trend in the capitalist superstructure that has to do with liberal individualist delusions, the same delusions that would say that the parents of this unfortunately non-viable child had a right to keep it alive because it's their decision. No it isn't, it definitely wouldn't be under socialism. It's an enormous waste of resources that should save other people's lives and very mentally unhealthy for the parents.
>>2418834Brain death is fake and made up by a bunch of Harvard (eugenicist) people in 1968 as a cover for harvesting organs
Bourgeois "science" is pseudo science
>>2420268Yes, fuck them
You don't get to cut into alive people just because American pseudo science invented "brain death"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/18/kentucky-man-wakes-up-organ-harvesting>>2420359Fuck those fags too
>>2418769>>2418875Seems like people reaally like to follow the good book
Amen 🙏🙏🙏
>>2420528It means that the parents’ theological views are clouding their rational decision-making.
Look, if they want to sue the hospital then fine. They’ll lose the lawsuit and come out with egg on their faces. Or every judge will toss the case out saying they don’t have one.
>>2420541Do you think that socialism will automatically create endless supplies of organs of the correct blood type?
>based on their usefulness to capitalismI hate to break it to you but there will be a big overlap between people who are useful to capitalism and those who are useful to socialism.
>>2419415>You are not materialists.materialists:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jeffrey-epstein-science-financier-changes-the-course-of-evolution-at-harvard-211218581.html>human health has to be managed rationally"human" PMC socialists always so alien and uncanny lol
>>2420579>"triage is capitalist eugenics">>2420613>Do you think that socialism will automatically create endless supplies of organs of the correct blood type?Hilary Clinton replies: "we have limited resources and you slaves must compete over them, there is no alternative to neoliberalism. You are an unserious child if you think single payer healthcare is possible"
>>2421116>No way that was an isolated incident.So isolated that it's protocol to anaesthetise "brain dead" patients prior to organ harvesting.
Why would anyone need to anaesthetise someone that is…already dead?
>>2421520holy shit lmao
>>2418901>mothers are tricked by the clinics into handing over their dead fetus’ remains to procurement agencies this reminds me of the thread i made about wanting to eat a dead foetus
>>>/siberia/690848 >>2421349To be honest, health eugenics doesn’t bother me nearly as much as class eugenics.
I’d much rather see people denied care because they’re too disabled and care would be a waste of resources, than seeing people denied care because they’re too poor and can’t afford it,
>>2421833>"New moralistic left"What were abortion laws under Stalin's SU and Albania's Hoxha? 👂
What was Lenin's personal thoughts on abortion? 👂
>>2423092"The left" in this trot cunts mind.
Biden Harris 2028!!
>>2423114>>2423092Example number 30394842 of blue hair leftist retards on college campuses that think the suprestructure of imperialist society, a parasitic rentier state, is superior to the superstrucutre of socialist societies whos economic base is based off their own hard work and with workers in charge
Ie. their wealth is based off their own hard work, ingenuity and not because they have guns pointed at Haitains demanding they sew clothes for 20 cents an hour or children mining cobalt in the Congo for high tech
>>2421349Just spent 12 hours waiting in the triage room for an infected animal bite. I’m in Montreal.
12 wait is much, much more preferable to a $3000 hospital bill.
>>2426962Dogs are lame annoying creatures, extremely inferior to cats. They exhausted their purpose for hunting, and besides helping a few blind people, I don't see why we should keep them around much longer
That said, I laugh at your statement because it shows so clearly how you failed to learn absolutely anything about how capitalism works: a socdem has a better understanding of the world than you.
>>2427009>>2427011Behavior is socially conditioned even in dogs, you're just liberals.
There's actually 0 compelling evidence for breed influencing behavior when you control for environmental factors (such as pitbulls being owned mostly by retard, and chihuahua attacks not being categorized as attacks "aww he's nibling on me")
>>2421734Absolutely
>>2426921That's just porky's doing: they're gutting public healthcare everywhere
>>2427042I said really simple things really, please read a book. Any book really.
>>2427138Behavior is socially conditioned.
You can not "isolate for behaviors" because behavior is a feature of socialization, it's like saying you can isolate a dog for the property of facing 90 degrees away from another dog: BEHAVIOR IS AN EMERGENT PROPERTY OF SOCIALIZATION & EXISTS ONLY IN RELATION TO SOCIETY YOU CAN'T "ISOLATE" IT BY DEFINITION YOU ARE SPEWING UNDIALECTICAL ESSENTIALIST EUGENICIST LIBERAL BABBLE
this is basically the same problem as "individual vs environment/society". there's no individual outside the environment and society.
>>2427254You have to understand that behavior here, is not like the dog have a perfect behavior already engraved in his brain, that will sprung out, it's that the dog does have _some not clear "computational calculation"_ that he does when givin a certain output from the environment, this "calculation" is constraints by the dog brain biology, if wasn't the dog would act like a human give training and time, but of course it doesn't happen because of biology constraints, so yeah, dog behavior does have a innate component, denying that is outright denying reality because it doesn't fit a person political views, something very common here on this place.
>>2427304> _some not clear "computational calculation"_ that he does when givin a certain output from the environmentliteral pseudoscientific gibberish, you sound like a phrenologist or a chiropractor, or a techbro talkig about how "brains are just computers maaan"
^ all eugenicist ideologies
>>2427411Exactly. What counts as a “disorder” is entirely socially constructed.
>>2427413It’s pretty obviously eugenics and leftists and disability advocates should be outraged at this. Sick Kids in Toronto should be held accountable.
>>2427402Stalin did nothing wrong > Stalin loved Lysenko > Lysenlo hated genetics > genetics are fascist
You would understand this simple diamat if you weren't an hitlero trotskyite
>>2428370and that's a good thing, if we find a embryo does have some highly disabling disease, this embryo shouldn't be allow to be turn into a full human, that what I support, I do not support making life a living hell for already existing disabled people, far from it, I think we should make life more enjoyable and happy as possible for those already living with disable, eugenics would be round up living disable people and eradicate them, that in my view a very serious crime that shouldn't be allowed at all, at the level of a embryo we should tech like abortion, embryo selection and gene editing to make the best and most healthy embryo as possible.
>>2428553Which is why said technology needs to be free and available to all.
Also, the rich already have access to the best healthcare imaginable. All of their medically complex offspring are shipped to group homes so the rich don’t have to deal with them.
>>2428579I don't disagree with that at all, I'm not putting into question the idea of treating and respecting living disabled people, I do think we should respect and treat living disabled people with care and fairness.
>>2428580I think the solution for this problem would be ban on gene editing or embryo selectio on cosmetic traits, and allowing gene editing and embryo selection only for health concerns for the benefit of the future child.
>>2427419>Leftists should be outragedShut up, precious worker hours are wasted by triying to "save" something unsavable.
You should euthanize yourself
>>2418749This reads like a fetish.
Why the fuck do Christian moms romanticize disabled children and peddle them around like props???
>>2430035They are now on a crusade to “expose” the hospital.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNgTeKbu6Sn/?igsh=MTVwNXlzczFvcGlhdg==I’m 100% certain they are going to attack the Canadian healthcare system.
>>2438081Yeah I agree, but then they won't be suffering will they because their brain isn't functioning to experience it.
>>2429265>>2430107Why can't you talk about these people respectfully? Just because a baby has down's syndrome doesn't mean you can use slurs and talk about it like this. Just blame the parents for being Christians and not doing prenatal testing.
>>2427164>Behavior is socially conditioned.*among humans
As the human brain has the most mass vs body size ratio when born compared to other mammals. Our brains are empty hard drives as fetus, meanwhile other mammals get born ready to walk by the second week. Only elephants are comparable to us, and to ones surprise they hold funerals for their dead.
>>2430035It serves to signal that you're a good person (TM)
>>2430056Well I suppose we should have left to die other two babies instead
>>2438067Wait look at that profile picture- there's 6 people?!
Are they known members of some ultraconservative christoid faction?
>>2438203It’s an AI image too.
Fucking Christfags
>>2418918I mean it makes sense that people would be in denial that their baby was braindead or whatever. This is more an issue of letting idiots have kids.
>>2421148>So isolated that it's protocol to anaesthetise "brain dead" patients prior to organ harvesting. The body has reflexive reactions to pain whether or not the brain is alive. Brain death doesn't cause the peripheral nervous system to die immediately.
>>2428315Have you ever suffered from deliberating chronic illness?
>HeavenHas nothing to do with whether a life is worth living. If you lack freedom, dignity and anything that makes getting up in the morning worthwhile, it's better to be dead.
>>2447943Correct, and under communism this type of build-a-baby will be free and universal for anyone to use.
The people who are trying to hold back said technology from existing are really no better than reactionaries.
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