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We frequently talk about how eugenics is the ideological backbone of capitalism and how nearly every aspect of capitalism is rooted in eugenics. This happens even in capitalist countries with “universal” healthcare such as Canada, where a hospital recently killed a baby girl by denying her a much-needed liver transplant. Why? Because she had Down Syndrome.

>Krystal Vanderbrugghen gave birth to her daughter, Veya, in December of 2023. She was born with Down syndrome and a congenital heart defect (CHD). Though Veya was able to have a successful heart repair, she then began experiencing complications with her liver.


>In an interview with Live Action News, Vanderbrugghen said Veya is a medically complex child, but her liver has been an ongoing problem, which took nearly a year to diagnose.


>As the hospital attempted treatment with multiple procedures last year, Veya then contracted Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) — which is mild in adults, but can be life-threatening for infants, the elderly, or people with compromised immune systems. “That really knocked her down,” Vanderbrugghen said.


But then, this year, something even more frightening occurred.

>“… [T]he more alarming thing that happened was she was overdosed on January 6th of this year with potassium… 10 times the amount of what she normally receives,” Vanderbrugghen told Live Action News. “… [S]he usually gets two doses of potassium in a day. Each are drawn up as 1.5 milliliters. And on that day, she got two syringes filled with 15 milliliters of potassium. So that sent her heart rate to 350 beats per minute, and they had to use cardioversion shocks on her three times to stabilize her.”


>Initially, Vanderbrugghen assumed it was an honest mistake. But due to subsequent events, she’s now questioning if it was truly an accident.


>Just two weeks after this terrifying incident in January, the family met with Veya’s team of doctors treating her liver condition. “… [E]verything we’ve done so far has not been successful,” said Vanderbrugghen. “And that’s when we learned that she was denied a transplant, which left us questioning a lot of things.”


>The reason for the family’s confusion is because all of Veya’s “individual system teams — like cardiology, nephrology, respirology, all of them — said she would do great, and she’s allowed to go for the liver transplant,” she said. The transplant team seeks feedback from those teams to help determine whether a transplant is a good course of action.


>“But [the transplant team] decided that they were looking at the big picture and said no,” Vanderbrugghen said. “And so I’ve been asking for six months, what is this ‘big picture’?”


>When Vanderbrugghen challenged Veya’s medical team, she said she was then told that the doctors “need to think about the live donor. If it’s not successful, we don’t want to put them through it.”


>Vanderbrugghen argued that “consenting adults” can choose whether or not to take the risk, “knowing that it may work or it may not work” — and urged the transplant team to leave the decision to the donor or donors.


https://www.liveaction.org/news/mom-fights-save-daughter-canadian-healthcare-dead/

This disabled baby later died of her illness on August 1. She was 20 months old and slept her entire life at the mercy of doctors who routinely denied her care BECAUSE of her disability.

So why aren’t comrades up in arms about this? Denying a baby with Down Syndrome an organ transplant because of their disability and “quality of life” sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine if autistic people were denied lifesaving care in the basis our “quality of life” wouldn’t improve and scarce organs should only go to allistic people instead? Canada is already in the middle of legalizing MAiD for neurodivergent differences just like they push MAiD on people with physical disabilities. They literally want all disabled people eradicated.

We need to stop this and demand action against eugenics.

RIP Veya and all other disabled people killed by eugenics

baby looks like kt maked derpa derp sounds
duuuurhhhh

>oh look, another “everything I don’t like is eugenics” thread

leftists love murdering babies

i love murdering babies, idk bout eugencis tho

>>2418767
>>2418764
This I routinely go out and grab babies out of womens hands and curb stomp their small skulls in front of them.

Hardly eugenics, at the end of the day this child has multiple complications, which puts them lower on the list for organ transplant due to survivability and scarcity of useable organ transplants. Won't be solved until a while into the future

>>2418770
So hospitals should be allowed to deny disabled people live saving treatment due to some ambiguous and capitalist-influenced “quality of life” notion?

If they do this to people with Down Syndrome it’s only a matter of time before they do this to autistic people on the same basis.

>>2418770
The idea behind universal healthcare is that everyone’s ailment is treated equally and there are no priorities based on bourgeois criteria.

>>2418781
Unfortunately there's extremely high competition in organ transplants and they are given only to those who have higher survival chances. Even billionaires have to go through this gauntlet although it is easier on them

>>2418776
They have been doing this since Triage has been a thing. It's just not possible to save them all and some are too broken to be saved. Down syndrome isn't just a mental retardation, it's physical and internal affliction as well. The baby simply had too many problems and doing a surgery after another would just kill it regardless.

>>2418776
Where did I say "quality of life"? I said survivability and availability of viable organ transplants are the reason for these kinds of procedures

>>2418781
>everyone’s ailment is treated equally and there are no priorities based on bourgeois criteria
Everyone is treated equally in this paradigm. There's only so many organs to go around, as many people as possible need to be saved given that circumstance. Why tf should you waste a perfectly viable organ transplant on somebody that has half the survivability of somebody else that is equally in need of it, you're gonna get both of them killed over your moralistic bullshit. If they had cancer they probably wouldn't get a transplant either. There's nothing bourgeois or eugenicist or whatever other buzzword you wanna throw at it about it

>>2418786
Still doesn’t justify denying medical care to the disabled.

>>2418749
it sounds like they tried as hard as they could to save the baby.

There should just be no opting out for organ donation. It should be mandatory that your organs are harvested for braindead corpses even if there is a 1% chance you are still alive because the amount of people who would be saved by this policy greatly outweighs the amount who would be sacrificed.

I was just reading a reddit post about why people would opt out and it was all the most retarded reasons ever. "The whole process was traumatic for my family". Aw, sorry it made you feel sad that other people were being saved. "They almost harvested organs from a patient who later was resucitated". Oh well, people die. You need to think about statistics rather than being scared of extremely fringe cases. "I need to say goodbye :(". Maybe you should have said goodbye to them when they were alive because the dead can't hear you saying goodbye, their body is just meat that needs to be scavenged for usable parts before it has rotted.

It's all so religious. Instead of saving your emotions for when your family is dead, why don't you be nice to them when they are alive. When you think about someone dying, go love them and be with them now rather than preparing for when they are dead. This religious lying about death is hurting people who are alive like this child, who would have survived if there were more donors.

>>2418834
>There should just be no opting out for organ donation.
Some people have conditions that can be given to others through organ donation. It's definitely not something we should do in all cases.

>>2418834
I don’t trust capitalist lack of medical ethics.

So I looked up the family on IG, and the first thing I noticed is that they’re hardcore Calvinists.

Pretty hard to deny that they’re batshit theological views are what lead them to torture their kid by keeping her hooked up to machines rather than letting her go peacefully.

>>2418776
The family was as retarded as their kid for demanding their kid be kept alive artificially for so long when it was obvious she had zero chance of making it and would die regardless if the transplant happened. There’s a stark difference between living-living and just existing.

>>2418834
It’s not always that simple. These kinds of incidents do happen. They can’t harvest organs from dead people so the donor has to be still alive when they retrieve their organs.

>>2418887
>Eugenics is the self direction of human evolution
Evolution is always self directed. Animals select mates.

>>2418834
>>2418888
Also look up the issues surrounding fetal organ harvesting from aborted fetuses. Usually, the mothers are tricked by the clinics into handing over their dead fetus’ remains to procurement agencies that then sell the fetal organs to research universities.

The truth is, most donated organs aren’t used for transplants but are simply used for medical experimentation.

Also the Zionist entity is notorious for killing Palestinians for their organs. Zionists are huge in the global organ trade.

>>2418897
That's exactly why we should kill disabled babies.

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>>2418749
That's what they get for reproducing

>>2418749
rational decision, she shouldnt have been born in the first place. Dont you barbarians have fetus screening for common genetic diseases?
>muh eugenics
abortion of fetus you can predict gonna have heavy disabilities should be common fucking sense. Just try again, dont ruin the life of two people for something that wont even be able to enjoy it and will spend its time in hospitals.

also dont act like organ donation is your due, there are fucking waiting lists because there are not enough organs

>>2418903
Prenatal testing should be free and mandatory but abortion should be left up to the pregnant person. Can’t really say I think highly of parents who choose to keep a pregnancy with a prenatal diagnosis though.

>>2418908
If they choose to they should be killed along with their malformed baby for ruining the genetic pool and creating a life of suffering for it

>>2418907
If you peep the family’s Instagram you’ll see they’re hardcore Calvinist Christians so of course they refused to abort and instead paraded their medically-complex child all over the internet for clout and GFM bucks.

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>>2418910
Some weird hyperchristian fags did this in the UK a few years ago, had a nonviable baby that was all fucked up with some rare kind of fuckery and decided it was better for god to fly his brain-dead body to the USA and cart it around a bunch of quack fake privatized doctors, it was all pretty crazy. Then there was another one seeing the attention the first campaign got they did the same but for some special quack vatican religious hospital.
These types people should have social services at their door at first instance should they ever even try for children, honestly, we have a state for a reason, no?

>>2418918
I remember a very similar case in the early 2010s called “Baby Joseph”. Canadian couple (also devout Christians) were warring with the Canadian hospital to keep their brain dead kid alive and went to the US for treatment. Needless to say, their kid didn’t last long.

Seems like the only reason these cases get any attention at all is for propaganda against universal healthcare.

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>>2418925
Yea, the US did not sign and ratify the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child because they basically hold that the child is owned by the parent in that horrid society, so for example if the child is brain-dead, kept alive in an incubator, etc, the parents can override the decisions of the doctors and so on for the sake of their feelings and spooks. Regularly mormons and all this religious insanities have their children drop dead because they do not do medicine or wtf and the state seemingly finds it perfectly acceptable. it's so fucked up really nothing about that place is good.

>>2418928
Yeah but in this case we’re specifically talking about times the parents wanted to keep their terminally ill children artificially alive despite the doctors telling them it’s futile to do so. I’m not going to go so far as to say all deathly ill people should be automatically euthanized of course, but I’d trust the doctors’ very educated medical judgements over my emotions any day.

>>2418928
>>2418949
Keep in mind, American hospitals will do the opposite of what hospitals in countries with universal healthcare will do by engaging in futile treatments, simply because it’s more profit for them. End-of-life care is when for-profit hospitals really start milking the families, especially since there’s no practical limit to what those hospitals will do in order to keep a dying patient alive. Theoretically, a hospital in America could pump $10 million worth of oxygen into what’s essentially a mangled corpse. That’s way more money than the vast majority of humanity will ever see in their lifetimes.

If I ever become terminally ill, I would much rather die at home in my loved ones’ arms. That’s better than dying in a cold, sterile hospital room with tubes shoved down my throat, tubes shoved up my nose, and my body hooked to three or four different machines that keep me living only slightly longer while I’m lying there unconscious and my family now has to pay a six-digit medical bill.

>>2418797
this post has it right. I dont see how this is really an issue. i dont want liver transplants going to heavily disabled kids with other complications that make that organ likely to be wasted.

that being said, there really needs to be compulsory organ harvesting

>>2418901
This guy is crying because his ex-gf got an abortion at 20 weeks, now insists he can “find” his dead fetus, and is leading a nation-wide political campaign to find it? Jesus fucking Christ.

>>2419005
Good luck with that endeavour.

>>2418928
A hospital can’t force patients to do any treatment they don’t want to do. Even here in Canada, you can walk out of treatment at any time and the doctors can’t make you stay even if they know your life will end.

Looking at this case, it seems like this baby was too weak for a liver transplant and that's why she was denied. It's triage: we save whom we're able to save. Standard protocol. If the family and their supporters are going to scream about eugenics they're obviously deceiving everyone for pity points. The hospital did nothing wrong.

I work as an RN in Canda, close to the US border. One of my good friends is a NICU nurse in the US, living in a red state with an air-tight abortion ban. She's told me countless times how the number of babies born with anomalies, birth defects, and genetic/chromosomal abnormalities (especially T21) have gone through the roof ever since Roe vs. Wade was overturned and the trigger abortion ban went into effect. We're talking babies who need heart surgery immediately following birth and who will need numerous heart surgeries throughout their childhoods. Not to mention, lung issues, kidney issues, GI issues, thyroid issues, etc. This little girl in OP's pic is *not* the exception for Down Syndrome babies but the norm. Babies with T21 have a 5-10% chance of dying in their first year (infant morality for American babies overall is 0.5% and that's very high for an imperialist country). T21 is NOT NOT NOT simply "neurodivergence" but a very serious medical condition.

>>2418776
>some ambiguous and capitalist-influenced “quality of life” notion?
Quality of life isn't a capitalist thing. Even under communism these types of issues would happen. People would TFMR pregnancies with fetal anomalies like T21 under communism, or use CRISPR to get rid of the extra chromosome that causes all the developmental delays and health issues.

>>2418901
>Pro-Life San Francisco
>Unironically posting anti-abortion propaganda
Ah, so that's why we've had a bunch of shit threads lately, new round of spooked conservative radlibs coming in lol.

>>2418781
>No priorities
You'd probably have a conniption learning what triage is lol. All medical care is based on priority. What you see in emergency events involving multiple victims is applied equally as much in healthcare on a larger scale, because that's what you have to do to save the most people with what you have. Is the current capitalist healthcare system messed up as a hell? Yes, but even in the case of healthcare with zero profit motive, decisions are made that weigh one life against another. In disaster situations, "expectant" individuals when discovered are prioritized less then those who might have a chance of surviving if given immediate treatment, and healthcare is one constantly ongoing "disaster" where millions come in every day with conditions that have them closer to death to different degrees. Those in critical condition but can be treated now with a good chance of survival are prioritized at the top, those with minor injuries that can wait are prioritized below them, and those who are dying and have little chance of survival even if treated are prioritized at the bottom. If you want those at the bottom to get more care, then the focus should be on preventative care and social policy so as to not overwhelm the system, even in a socialist society.

>>2419243
Thank you. Yes, you explained it very well. And triage would still happen under ANY mode of production including communism.

>>2418901
>says at the 40 minute mark he has faith in Trump
Cringe

>>2418875
>tfw they believe their retard baby was one of The Elect

>>2418749
The parents should have aborted when they had the chance. No sympathy.

>>2418749
Why does that baby look like Jabba the Hut?

>>2418749
Shit like this is why I will 100% abort for Down's if I ever get pregnant with one.

>>2418749
You "leftist" glowuyghurs call everything eugenics. This puts you on the same side as religious fundamentalists who give birth to kids who will suffer their entire hopefully short lives on purpose since it was "god's decision". You are not materialists.

Materialists have always understood that human health has to be managed rationally, that's why physical education was always a high priority in socialist countries. Eugenics is a specific trend in the capitalist superstructure that has to do with liberal individualist delusions, the same delusions that would say that the parents of this unfortunately non-viable child had a right to keep it alive because it's their decision. No it isn't, it definitely wouldn't be under socialism. It's an enormous waste of resources that should save other people's lives and very mentally unhealthy for the parents.

>>2419017
>A hospital can’t force patients to do any treatment they don’t want to do. Even here in Canada, you can walk out of treatment at any time and the doctors can’t make you stay even if they know your life will end.
Yes, of course. But it is different when it is a small child.

its just a post-birth abortion, bro

>>2418759
I bet it's the anon of the "leftists should volunteer and help disabled people" thread, and since it got autosaged xe made a new one

>>2419415
Going to be interesting to see how these types of leftists respond when scientists are successfully able to CRISPR out disabilities. They will kick and scream and demand it be banned yet they can’t even get ABA therapy or AI banned (when AI is wrecking the climate to an enormous degree). It’s almost as if trying to stop technological progress out of some vague disabled identity politics won’t work.

>>2418749
Not a leftist issue. Next

>>2418834
Brain death is fake and made up by a bunch of Harvard (eugenicist) people in 1968 as a cover for harvesting organs

Bourgeois "science" is pseudo science

>>2420225
So what about all those sick people on transplant wait lists? We let them die?

>>2420217
its absolutely a leftist issue. its not a communist issue however

so /leftypol/ is just going to be generals plus these same bait threads recycled over and over again by the same jobless autist getting 500 replies every time huh

>>2420279
How is it a leftist issue?

>>2420281
Were you expecting anything else?

>>2420225
>organ harvesting is eugenics
>denying disabled people organ transplants is eugenics
Pick one

>>2420268
Yes, fuck them
You don't get to cut into alive people just because American pseudo science invented "brain death"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/18/kentucky-man-wakes-up-organ-harvesting
>>2420359
Fuck those fags too

>>2419215
>>2419243
You do realize this is a slippery slope right? If hospitals can deny care to people with Down Syndrome on the basis of a eugenicist “quality of life” argument it’s only a matter of time before they start denying care to autistic people on the same basis. Non-speaking autistic patients will be denied lifesaving organ transplants on the sane basis, that their lives aren’t worth as much as allistic patients so autistic patients should be prioritized last. It’s already happening in certain parts of the world. And it is eugenics.

I normally find the eugenics bit questionable but this claim doesn't seem to be a triage call aside from the issue of live organ donor surgery

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>>2418749
What would the greatest have said the greatest socialist leader of humanist socialism would have said?

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>>2418769
>>2418875
Seems like people reaally like to follow the good book
Amen 🙏🙏🙏

>>2420485
Explain

>>2418875
The parents being fundamentalist Christians doesn’t mean anything. Disabled people with right-wing parents don’t deserve to be the victims of such blatant eugenics either.

>>2420418
Triage isn't a slippery slope, its a product of limited resources designed to maximize the number of people that can be saved with those resources.

>>2420536
“Limited resources” = capitalist healthcare decides who lives and who dies based on their usefulness to capitalism

>>2420541
>triage is capitalist eugenics
Okay that’s enough leftypol for today.

>>2420528
It means that the parents’ theological views are clouding their rational decision-making.

Look, if they want to sue the hospital then fine. They’ll lose the lawsuit and come out with egg on their faces. Or every judge will toss the case out saying they don’t have one.

>>2420541
Do you think that socialism will automatically create endless supplies of organs of the correct blood type?
>based on their usefulness to capitalism
I hate to break it to you but there will be a big overlap between people who are useful to capitalism and those who are useful to socialism.

>>2420613
Not that anon, but isn’t a key goal of socialism producing an abundance of goods? Wouldn’t this issue be solved by something like 3D printing organs so there’s no longer a shortage?

>>2420689
3D printed organs still require resources.

>>2418749
The sad thing is, with abortion bans and potential prenatal testing bans you can be sure there's going to be a lot more babies like this little girl who are born only to suffer and die in a hospital with multiple tubes in her little body. Imagine spending your entire life glued to a hospital bed and never feeling the sun on your face.

>>2419415
>You are not materialists.
materialists:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jeffrey-epstein-science-financier-changes-the-course-of-evolution-at-harvard-211218581.html
>human health has to be managed rationally
"human" PMC socialists always so alien and uncanny lol

>>2420579
>"triage is capitalist eugenics"
>>2420613
>Do you think that socialism will automatically create endless supplies of organs of the correct blood type?
Hilary Clinton replies: "we have limited resources and you slaves must compete over them, there is no alternative to neoliberalism. You are an unserious child if you think single payer healthcare is possible"

>>2418749
>>When Vanderbrugghen challenged Veya’s medical team, she said she was then told that the doctors “need to think about the live donor. If it’s not successful, we don’t want to put them through it.”

So this mother was a flaming moron who let her religious superstitions go against the very informed opinions of medical professionals? Yeah, the kid deserved a painful death for that alone.

>>2421057
>You are an unserious child if you think single payer healthcare is possible"
Triage is more pronounced in universal healthcare systems, idiot. OP's story happened in Canada.

>>2421057
How do we realistically create an abundance of human organs?

>>2418888
>vidrel
No way that was an isolated incident.

>>2421116
>No way that was an isolated incident.
So isolated that it's protocol to anaesthetise "brain dead" patients prior to organ harvesting.

Why would anyone need to anaesthetise someone that is…already dead?

>>2420418
>it’s only a matter of time before they start denying care to autistic people on the same basis.
Why would that happen?

>>2418901
>>2420225
Lmao you are using these videos as examples? Anti abortionists and a nutjob (took me 10 seconds to find this other video he made).

>>2421057
>You are an unserious child if you think single payer healthcare is possible
They literally have single payer healthcare in Canada numbnuts. In fact they don't do triage in private healthcare systems because available organs just go to whoever can pay for them. In a socialized medical system they have to be rationed to people who need them the most and will get the most use out of them.

>>2421304
I hadn't seen this one. That woman is based I'm gonna get her book.

Again this shit ass idea that people should let people sufferer with disabilities because it hurts their feelings, that type of thinking is borderline psychopathic and truly show that the person doesn't give a fuck about the life of disable at all, just that their feeling are hurt with idea that he should create a life that will suffer, fucking dumb retarded

>>2421381
It’s a little but complicated when you’re dealing with the inner mind of someone with completely different neurology like downs or severe autism. Someone that’s neurotypical but crippled by an accident is going to have a completely different calculus on this.

>>2418901
So I tortured myself by watching this entire video. This Tommy guy sincerely believes he can find “his” dead fetus 16 months after it was aborted, that the research lab still has that fetus stored away in a freezer somewhere and will willingly give it back to Tommy? Research labs incinerate products of conception a month after receiving and studying them due to them being a biohazard. There is no fucking way “Clementine” is still around. Yet he’s been going on a years-long campaign to find his dead fetus? For fuck’s sake this man is beyond delusional.

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>>2421520
holy shit lmao
>>2418901
>mothers are tricked by the clinics into handing over their dead fetus’ remains to procurement agencies
this reminds me of the thread i made about wanting to eat a dead foetus >>>/siberia/690848

>>2421526
I bet aborted fetuses taste like chicken.

Should we euthanize mentally ill people?

>>2418749
Take away prenatal testing for Down’s and our hospitals will be full of kids like this.

>>2420812
and more importantly, the tech doesnt actually work yet

>>2421349
To be honest, health eugenics doesn’t bother me nearly as much as class eugenics.

I’d much rather see people denied care because they’re too disabled and care would be a waste of resources, than seeing people denied care because they’re too poor and can’t afford it,

I thought the left supported abortion even post-pregnancy

>>2421635
How much is the rate of impregnation between cousins in amerikkka?

>>2421789
The new moralistic left doesn’t, apparently.

>>2420225
So we shouldn’t do organ transplants anymore?

>>2421586
Yes. I’ve heard they’re quite tasty with the sweet and sour sauce.

Imagine being a leftist and siding with fundamentalist Christians.

>>2421791
Fairly high but not nearly as high as other places. I've heard Ethiopia and Pakistan have a lot of cousin marriages.

Evil

>>2421833
>"New moralistic left"
What were abortion laws under Stalin's SU and Albania's Hoxha? 👂
What was Lenin's personal thoughts on abortion? 👂

>>2423072
Zero relevance to the left of today.

>>2423092
What "left" pray tell?
>Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/09/20.htm

>>2423092
"The left" in this trot cunts mind.

Biden Harris 2028!!

>>2418749
>This happens even in capitalist countries with “universal” healthcare such as Canada, where a hospital recently killed a baby girl by denying her a much-needed liver transplant. Why? Because she had Down Syndrome.

Kek, imagine thinking socialism would waste resources on retard babies with an early expiration date.

>>2423107
>>2423112
On what basis would America become tankie and embrace a carbon copy system to Stalin's USSR?

>>2423114
because it's cool and i said so


>>2423114
>>2423092
Example number 30394842 of blue hair leftist retards on college campuses that think the suprestructure of imperialist society, a parasitic rentier state, is superior to the superstrucutre of socialist societies whos economic base is based off their own hard work and with workers in charge

Ie. their wealth is based off their own hard work, ingenuity and not because they have guns pointed at Haitains demanding they sew clothes for 20 cents an hour or children mining cobalt in the Congo for high tech

>>2421148
>john paul ii academy

>>2418966
>End-of-life care is when for-profit hospitals really start milking the families, especially since there’s no practical limit to what those hospitals will do in order to keep a dying patient alive. Theoretically, a hospital in America could pump $10 million worth of oxygen into what’s essentially a mangled corpse. That’s way more money than the vast majority of humanity will ever see in their lifetimes.
This is exactly why America will never allow MAiD.

Unril we can fix genetic diseases, as in edit the genes of an already forming baby, this is the best option. It can be abused and used as a tool for genocide? Yes. But all technology and techniques can.

>>2418901
Wasn’t the “Israeli organ harvesting” conspiracy debunked?

>>2423145
What does that have to do with abortion?

>>2423867
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Aftonbladet_Israel_controversy
>In December 2009, Israeli officials admitted that they had harvested the organs of Palestinians without their families' permission.

>>2423916
This entire story has nothing to do with abortion but allegations that Canadian healthcare is deliberately killing Downies out of “eugenics”. Which clearly isn’t true.

>>2418749
Looking at this case, seems like the doctors put a lot of effort into saving a baby they knew for a fact wouldn’t make it.

>>2418749
Why are these types of stories only ever reported on right-wing/anti-abortion American websites? We Canadians never hear about this stuff that’s allegedly going on in our own backyards.

>>2419215
“Eugenics” has become a buzzword that means anything.

>>2424168
Because it's always about attacking universal healthcare. That's the bottom line. The pro-life movement has been thoroughly in bed with the GOP for almost 50 years to the point where the PLM has become a GOP front.

>>2424168
>We Canadians never hear about this stuff that’s allegedly going on in our own backyards.

<“The government sees me as expendable trash, a complainer, useless and a pain in the a**,” ‘Sophia’ said in a video filmed on Feb. 14, eight days before her death, and shared with CTV News by one of her friends.


<And so, when she runs out of money, which she expects will happen this summer, Madeline has the option to die.

https://www.diplomaticpost.co.uk/index.php/2024/02/01/liberal-death-cult-and-the-blue-whale-canadas-euthanasia-program-extends-to-the-poor-and-disabled/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/article/canada-performing-more-organ-transplants-from-maid-donors-than-any-country-in-the-world/

>>2425218
>diplomaticpost
Aren't they a Nazbol website?

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>>2425218
this is how you know it's a good website

>>2425221
looks to be yeah, it looks really really fucking weird and i regret clicking on it

>>2425218
You act like MAiD is being offered for every single little thing. As a Canadian, I can tell you it’s not.

>>2421349
Just spent 12 hours waiting in the triage room for an infected animal bite. I’m in Montreal.

12 wait is much, much more preferable to a $3000 hospital bill.

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some people go through shit, realize it gave their personality some depth and then stone you for saying life-impairing disorders still arent wholesome chungus and itd be better if no one had to struggle with that in the first place

>>2418749
> We frequently talk about how eugenics is the ideological backbone of capitalism and how nearly every aspect of capitalism is rooted in eugenics.

>>2426929
Let me guess, you think that dog breeds having a genetic predisposition to certain behaviors is a real thing, but think of yourself as not a eugenicist.

Futurama suicide machine

love to see some boomer tier ragebait article thread with over 100 replies, cool website

>>2420225
Should we revert to heathbeat death then?

>>2420225
>Brain death is fake
lol, people with brain death have their body literally rot away even under care

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>>2426962
>Let me guess, you think that dog breeds having a genetic predisposition to certain behaviors is a real thing, but think of yourself as not a eugenicist.
Lol this retard

>>2426962
>Let me guess, you think that dog breeds having a genetic predisposition to certain behaviors is a real thing, but think of yourself as not a eugenicist.
Average pitbull owner otw to name the monster "Cupcake"

>>2426962
Dogs are lame annoying creatures, extremely inferior to cats. They exhausted their purpose for hunting, and besides helping a few blind people, I don't see why we should keep them around much longer

That said, I laugh at your statement because it shows so clearly how you failed to learn absolutely anything about how capitalism works: a socdem has a better understanding of the world than you.

>>2427012
Retarded gibberish

>>2427018
seething "dog lover"


>>2427018
Not my fault you can't read a few simple words

>>2427009
>>2427011
Behavior is socially conditioned even in dogs, you're just liberals.
There's actually 0 compelling evidence for breed influencing behavior when you control for environmental factors (such as pitbulls being owned mostly by retard, and chihuahua attacks not being categorized as attacks "aww he's nibling on me")

>>2427031
You literally said nothing of substance, retard.

>>2421734
Absolutely
>>2426921
That's just porky's doing: they're gutting public healthcare everywhere
>>2427042
I said really simple things really, please read a book. Any book really.

>>2427047
You said nothing.

>>2421734
Translation: "us aryans must stick together, healthcare should be provided on the basis of being an aryan, rich or poor, and denied on the basis of being a dysgenic degenerate uyghur"

Why torture it any further?
Why torture it, its parents and people around for many more years?
That was a good decision. They should've gotten an abortion in the first place.
The disabled are not only a burden on their parents but also on society as a whole. It should be prevented if possible for everyone's sake.
Yeah you can be a communist and believe this.bye.

>>2427088
I think if we can avoid putting people that will suffer in life, then we should (even must) let people have the choice to avoid creating a life to suffer, only in the mind of a (probably) mentally ill they would defend that putting a disable person in the world is a good thing, problably they actually take the instance of pro-selection to avoid disable as personal insult or something.

>>2426962
>dog breed doesn't have innate behavioral tendencies

Absolute insane take, science denaliast tier level of take, bro just talk to a dog trainer for God's seek do, you're extremely delusional.


>>2427102
>Bro just talk to a professional skull measurer about phrenology, trust the experts
ok retard

>>2427105
Are you one of those people who posts rekt videos on /pol/ to demonstrate the savage nature of the negro?

>>2426962
Dogs are bred by humans over countless generations to inherit and isolate certain traits in behavior or looks. This is 100% eugenics. However, it is wrong to equivocate artificially created dog breeds with human races or ethnicities like in that stonetoss comic because for the most part people fuck and procreate with whomever they want rather than to create the most optimal descendance.

>>2427138
Behavior is socially conditioned.
You can not "isolate for behaviors" because behavior is a feature of socialization, it's like saying you can isolate a dog for the property of facing 90 degrees away from another dog: BEHAVIOR IS AN EMERGENT PROPERTY OF SOCIALIZATION & EXISTS ONLY IN RELATION TO SOCIETY YOU CAN'T "ISOLATE" IT BY DEFINITION YOU ARE SPEWING UNDIALECTICAL ESSENTIALIST EUGENICIST LIBERAL BABBLE

this is basically the same problem as "individual vs environment/society". there's no individual outside the environment and society.

>>2420217
If something isn't a "leftist issue", is it unimportant in the context of this being a leftist board, or unimportant in general?


>>2426929
Yes? Literally every conflict going on in the world right now is based on eugenics and eugenic belief in who lives and who dies.

>>2427164
>undialetical

Buzzword, dog have behaviroal difference from the get go, ask to a veterinary or a person that deal with dogs, only retards deny that because it hurt their feeling or they political worldview based on literally non sense.

>>2427249
Biological essentialism

refusing a transplant isn't murder, kid never opened its eyes, totally unviable recipient. there's not that many motorcyclists to go around.

>>2427254
You have to understand that behavior here, is not like the dog have a perfect behavior already engraved in his brain, that will sprung out, it's that the dog does have _some not clear "computational calculation"_ that he does when givin a certain output from the environment, this "calculation" is constraints by the dog brain biology, if wasn't the dog would act like a human give training and time, but of course it doesn't happen because of biology constraints, so yeah, dog behavior does have a innate component, denying that is outright denying reality because it doesn't fit a person political views, something very common here on this place.

>>2427249
Polcuck racist has to cover his ears and stamp his feet because he can't stand the truth.

>>2427308
You can’t compare dogs to humans, dipshit. Dog breeds are inbred as fuck and many “purebreds” are known to have genetic diseases. You can’t say the same about humans since even inbred groups like the Amish still carry more genetic diversity than purebred dogs.

>>2427314
>genetic diseases

Prove these exist.

>>2427105
Breed of peace!

>>2427304
> _some not clear "computational calculation"_ that he does when givin a certain output from the environment
literal pseudoscientific gibberish, you sound like a phrenologist or a chiropractor, or a techbro talkig about how "brains are just computers maaan"
^ all eugenicist ideologies

>>2418749
Okay after looking at this woman’s IG story highlights it’s pretty obvious this wasn’t triage but eugenics. Slow coding is eugenics in action.

>>2427373
Just by the ideas you spewing it's clearly you don't deal with reality at all, you just live in your delusions, waste you time engaging with you, anything that doesn't support you worldview is "eugenics", you're no different from /pol/tard, just a leftist version of you, probably mentally ill.

>>2427362
>genetic disease doesn't exist

Absolute state of this thread. Mods, just lock this shit already, it's a loonley bin, people here don't even engage with reality at all, what a shit show.

>>2427362
Go back to high school biology please.

>>2427400
I guess some "computational cculations" in yoyr brain are responsible for your retardation, you should be culled

>>2427402
They used to think slaves wanting to run away was a form of disease. Or left handedness

>>2427384
Gonna be the devil advocate but it's possible the medical team estimated the survival chances of the kid were essentially zero and decided to not try too hard to prolong life. Not that it would.make it ok and of course with the history of canada there is a real possibility of this being an eugenistic murder

>>2427411
Exactly. What counts as a “disorder” is entirely socially constructed.

>>2427413
It’s pretty obviously eugenics and leftists and disability advocates should be outraged at this. Sick Kids in Toronto should be held accountable.

>>2425221
Nazbol is when you’re anti-eugenics

>>2427384
Yeah after reading this it seems to me this was actually eugenics.

>>2427402
Stalin did nothing wrong > Stalin loved Lysenko > Lysenlo hated genetics > genetics are fascist
You would understand this simple diamat if you weren't an hitlero trotskyite

>>2427440
Incredibly stupid reasoning and I’m certain you’re either a troll or a moron.

>>2427431
It’s triage. There’s no point in pouring in medical resources to save a gravely sick baby that has no way of surviving.


>>2426921
>a $3000 hospital bill.
More like $5000 in most American hospitals.

>>2427773
At the state of the art gene therapy is looking good, hopefully in a decade or two this will be a moot point

>>2427773
>CF
This shit is evil. Just because it’s “survivable” doesn’t mean longevity. Most CF sufferers die in their mid 30s IIRC. Imagine a lifetime of wheezing.

>noooooooo you don't understand people should force a shitty life unto a person because not doing hurt my feelings!

I understand your fear of eugenics, because you would be the first to going into a grave for being so stupid and downright psychopathic, what a retarded

>>2427444
Then why do they pour medical resources into gravely ill old people? Why did that liver go to some old rich guy rather than the child? And how much medical resources does it take to shove a fucking tube down someone's throat to keep them breathing? It's one thing to only have limited transplant resources, its another to not help a patient and let them die even though the hospital obviously had the ability to keep her alive. Maybe if they did a liver for her would become available (assuming they didn't have one). You're using triage to excuse the fact they let someone die that they didn't have to. Kill everyone you need to and nobody more.

>>2428293
Death is infinitely worse than a shitty life. What, do you think they go to heaven? There's no relief in death. Living a life in constant pain is indescribably better than being dead. You just don't think downs syndrome people are human.

>>2427773
One thing to stop people passing on genetic disorders (why is having children considered a right?), its another thing to kill children. There should probably be a different word for them.

>>2428315
Dude, I'm not defending killing already living disabled people, that's is plain homicide and evil, but I do believing that we should have a option of abortion for people that surely will have a shitty life, not doing and forcing a life of disability on a person because it hurt you feelings is evil and retarded.

>>2428359
Its normal in developed countries to have the option to abort for people with Downs Syndrome or Cystic Fibrosis.

>>2428311
We don’t though. Really sick old people will receive palliative care.

>>2428370
and that's a good thing, if we find a embryo does have some highly disabling disease, this embryo shouldn't be allow to be turn into a full human, that what I support, I do not support making life a living hell for already existing disabled people, far from it, I think we should make life more enjoyable and happy as possible for those already living with disable, eugenics would be round up living disable people and eradicate them, that in my view a very serious crime that shouldn't be allowed at all, at the level of a embryo we should tech like abortion, embryo selection and gene editing to make the best and most healthy embryo as possible.

>>2428549
This where the real ethical issue begins though "best" is very subjective. Rich people already use this tech to produce "better" offspring in some countries while the poors don't have access to this tech.

>>2428553
Which is why said technology needs to be free and available to all.

Also, the rich already have access to the best healthcare imaginable. All of their medically complex offspring are shipped to group homes so the rich don’t have to deal with them.

>>2428576
No one said they weren’t. But I would highly question someone’s motives if they chose to have a baby with Down’s or CF if they knew the risks.

>>2428549
Yeah I agree that going through with these pregnancies shouldn't be allowed. But people who do have these disabilities shouldn't be seen as undesirable. They are still thinking and feeling humans worth as much as anyone else.

>>2428575
But like, should we let people select eye color or hqir thickness? Making a human being is not like going fucking shopping

>>2428580
Not the same thing as preventing disability. Eye colour and hair colour are frivolous and honestly I wouldn’t care if that were even possible.

>>2428580
>Making a human being is not like going fucking shopping

Moralism

>>2428580
People's genes should be standardised with the highest possible traits in every way and chosen by random, certainly not by their parents. Maybe the genes should be the ones most open to alteration at a later date.

>>2428579
I don't disagree with that at all, I'm not putting into question the idea of treating and respecting living disabled people, I do think we should respect and treat living disabled people with care and fairness.

>>2428580
I think the solution for this problem would be ban on gene editing or embryo selectio on cosmetic traits, and allowing gene editing and embryo selection only for health concerns for the benefit of the future child.

>>2428657
No one is selecting embryos based on cosmetic traits. This is a ridiculous strawman argument.

>>2428683
Acktshuslly there is right now something out there the offer people with money to select their embryo based on embryo eye color, if you want a green eyed kid you could select for that, so yeah the tech already exist to do that, but to be fair this company offer embryo selection in a lot of health conditions like heart disease and Alzheimer, you could select your embryo with the lowest Alzheimer risk.

>>2428752
I see no issue with this. Very few people care about their kid’s eye colour.

>>2428311
They didn’t want to give this girl a tube because she was too weak and it was too risky. Hospitals don’t just let people die or withhold care for no reason.

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>>2427419
>Leftists should be outraged
Shut up, precious worker hours are wasted by triying to "save" something unsavable.
You should euthanize yourself

hey so why aren't people addressing this line

>When Vanderbrugghen challenged Veya’s medical team, she said she was then told that the doctors “need to think about the live donor. If it’s not successful, we don’t want to put them through it.”


as in it's not some dead person they're pulling a liver out of: They're using a live, active adult's liver. The parents of a kid who had a shit-ton of problems already are complaining that the hospitals don't want to put another live, healthy person through the physical trauma of surgery (voluntary or not) which, in the worst case scenario, kills the donor through surgery complications, and doesn't save the kid anyway through organ rejection or the like.

>>2428311
>Then why do they pour medical resources into gravely ill old people? Why did that liver go to some old rich guy rather than the child?
It literally didn't. The liver was from live donor. As in the person who was currently using it was told they were gonna just keep using their liver normally instead of going through surgery.

>>2429111
>>2429114
Correct. No ethical doctor would ever go through with that risk to save a Downie, who may not even survive for that long afterward even with a successful surgery.

>>2418749
This reads like a fetish.

Why the fuck do Christian moms romanticize disabled children and peddle them around like props???


>>2430056
That thing is so fucking ugly. Crush it.

>>2430107
She already died from her numerous medical issues. Her mother was selfish as fuck for birthing her in the first place.

>>2430056
And with abortion and prenatal testing for Down’s being made illegal there are going to be thousands of more cases like this girl.

Murdering babies is based and I'm tired of pretending otherwise

>>2430056
The full comment FYI.

>>2430596
/thread

>>2430035
They are now on a crusade to “expose” the hospital.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNgTeKbu6Sn/?igsh=MTVwNXlzczFvcGlhdg==

I’m 100% certain they are going to attack the Canadian healthcare system.

I don't get the whole "Keeping them alive would just make them suffer :(" thing. Suffering while alive is better than being dead!

>>2438078
brain death isnt being alive, youre literally rotting just more slowly

>>2438081
Yeah I agree, but then they won't be suffering will they because their brain isn't functioning to experience it.

>>2429265
>>2430107
Why can't you talk about these people respectfully? Just because a baby has down's syndrome doesn't mean you can use slurs and talk about it like this. Just blame the parents for being Christians and not doing prenatal testing.

>>2438078
Death isn’t the worst of all evils.

>>2438107
Yes it is. People only think it isn't because they are deluded into thinking there is an afterlife.

>>2438163
I’d rather die and there be nothing but a void, than live a life that’s unbearable.

>>2438078
>Suffering while alive is better than being dead!
the thing is they arent getting better idiot

>>2418749
Kek, gonna show this to my sister-in-law since her pregnancy came up 99.999% positive for Downs and she and my brother are deciding whether or not to abort. I’d ask her if she could watch her baby suffer with all these health issues and how guilty she’s feel if her baby dies in the NICU like that.

>>2427164
>Behavior is socially conditioned.
*among humans
As the human brain has the most mass vs body size ratio when born compared to other mammals. Our brains are empty hard drives as fetus, meanwhile other mammals get born ready to walk by the second week. Only elephants are comparable to us, and to ones surprise they hold funerals for their dead.

>>2430035
It serves to signal that you're a good person (TM)
>>2430056
Well I suppose we should have left to die other two babies instead

>>2438067
Wait look at that profile picture- there's 6 people?!
Are they known members of some ultraconservative christoid faction?

>>2438203
It’s an AI image too.

Fucking Christfags

People ITT need to read up on necropolitics.

>>2418918
I mean it makes sense that people would be in denial that their baby was braindead or whatever. This is more an issue of letting idiots have kids.

>>2421148
>So isolated that it's protocol to anaesthetise "brain dead" patients prior to organ harvesting.
The body has reflexive reactions to pain whether or not the brain is alive. Brain death doesn't cause the peripheral nervous system to die immediately.

Not giving a transplant due to a series of medical issues is a legitimate call. The child had a whole bunch of health problems, that would have made it not eligible for a transplant, even if it didn't have down syndrome.

>>2441013
Down syndrome is the cause of all those health issues. People think Down’s is “just” mental retardation when it’s multiple health problems all rolled into one.

>>2418749
Kind of gross they named their sick baby “Hope” as if this entire girl’s life was supposed to be inspiration porn.

>>2428315
Have you ever suffered from deliberating chronic illness?
>Heaven
Has nothing to do with whether a life is worth living. If you lack freedom, dignity and anything that makes getting up in the morning worthwhile, it's better to be dead.

>>2446861
It’s all virtue signaling for them.

Eugenics is inevitable, even under communism. When the technology to make your progeny a 6'6" gogachad with high intelligence, or a supermodel beauty with perfect proportions is cheaply available, evryone will use it. Even under full communism people will use it. Stop trying to fight the inevitable

>>2447943
Correct, and under communism this type of build-a-baby will be free and universal for anyone to use.

The people who are trying to hold back said technology from existing are really no better than reactionaries.

>>2448308
fixing serious medical issues and customizing your baby isnt the same thing


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