Have you guys read George Orwell's 'The Road to Wigan Pier'?
It's amazing how much HASN'T changed since it was written. I the first chapter he describes loner men in their twenties who are essentially the incels of their time. They talk about "dodging marriage" although it's evident that they were nowhere near the vicinity of having any female interest. And instead of the internet they were at the library reading newspapers and coming up with silly theories based on both information and disinformation, which they talk endlessly about, much to the chagrin of the author. The astrology sections being especially interesting to them.
He lives amongst the proles as an educated man in disguise. He overcomes his racism and class-based feelings of superiority by first occupying Burma and siding with those he oppressed and then slumming it with the coal miners of North England upon his completion of military service.
It's one of the most fascinating books I've ever read. Really inspires communism and socialism, but it's also very cynical and grounded in reality. He mentions that most of the upper and middle class lefties don't really want the change they advocate for when you get right down to it. And while the lower/working classes would certainly like more money, they had little but suspicion and distaste towards the interests and pursuits of the upper classes. They viewed them as "elitist" and pompous, no matter how the people actually were.
So little has changed in this regard.
I know not everyone is into reading books, so I found a good audiobook version with a good narrator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VenejSIjvHsEveryone knows 'Nineteen Eighty-Four', but he did so much more before he got to writing that. You guys will love Wigan Pier. He uses the word "bourgeois" a TON. I immediately thought of this website and you guys. You're probably all familiar with it already.
>>2419771He is whatever he is needed to be for the argument, if its against rightoids its "HE WAS ONE OF US, HE WUZ POUM AND SHIT" if its against succdems "HE WAS A CIA/MI6/MOSSAD TRAITOR"
in reality, you're all liberals. All of you, just like him. YOU'RE ALL LIBERALS.
>>2419799>He is whatever he is needed to be for the argument,>in reality, you're all liberalszero historical materialism guy is a pretentious radlib as always
>>2423453>This is leftypol. Liberals are a good thing here. That's not an insult.Liberalism is historically progressive against so-called feudal modes of production ("Free Tibet" the CIA literally does nothing except support monarchist pedophile slave owners lol).
>>2431933>redpilled leftist…however liberals like George Orwell who had the usual seething PMC Trot reaction against colonized proletarian slaves makes his historically outdated liberalism reactionary and regressive. That's why Fox News boomers see him as their ally, they're all the same smug neocon blowhards who would get invited to debate with the Jeffrey Epstein class
>>2433117I'm immune to your empty platitudes, alarmism, deflection and hand-wringing about the Nazis. Cockroaches like you remind me of Zionists who always default to the holocaust everytime someone tells them to stop killing Palestinians.
Stalin hijacked the revolution at Russia and it was what nearly got Slavs and eastern Euros exterminated. He also dealt with the Nazis and was allied to them, something that Orwell satirized brilliantly in Animal Farm. Pretty much every single thing that happens in Animal Farm has happened in every single gommunist revolution and ended up crashing or making material concessions one way or another.
Take your own advice and kill yourself, because your fantasies about lining up people against walls and shooting them are a pipe dream, and your revolutionary horseshit is dead, and pretty much every former gommunist is now a SocDem.
>>2433136You are literally taking a fairy story seriously written by someone who never even visited the Soviet Union at all. Please watch the video in my earlier post
>>2433249 for more info.
>>2433249its easy to make a character assassination of orwell because he was a pretty shit character, but even if he was a total saint who did nothing bad ever, his writings can still be disregarded independent of his personal character, because they are nothing more than mid science-fiction with nothing of substance
and even then mostly plagiarism, like you probably should read zamyatins "we" instead of 1984 he is really just the ayn rand of the """"left""""
>>2434269Labour Party didn't kill millions of British workers like Stalin did, though.
Sorry bro, the your Utopian revolutionary praxis only exists in fairy tales. It's never happening. Stalin, in one form or another, will always show up, hijack it and turn it into a state capitalist autocracy ruled by red-dyed bourgs.
>>2434355Alright… you have a point, the Labour Party sucks big donkey dick and Tony Blair should be flayed alive, these are my unironic and honest thoughts.
How does that square with Stalin stacking hundreds of thousands of corpses, cucking out the revolution, purging three quarters of the CPSU in the 30's, dropping internationalism and allying & sucker punched by Hitler?
>>2434354As the video says, Animal Farm is more a critique on the workers themselves, constantly calling the workers dumb, easily lead, slovenly.
Animal Farm is not a critique of communism. It's an aristocratic screed on how terrible the workers are for daring to fight against their aristocratic so-called "betters".
Read this critique to get a better anyalsis:
https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/ >>2434431Even in 1984, Winston is freely able to chat with a prole outside the Party districts and ask about how life was before INGSOC, since the Party knows that the Proles are so stupid that there's no need to vigorously police their thoughts outside of hosting fake lotteries.
The whole theory of history that Orwell has is of some three metaphysical categories of people that exist across all time periods, across all stages of development, the "High", the "Middle", and the "Low". And the only threat to the "High"s power exclusively comes from the "Middle", and the "Low" is always forever doomed to stupidity and being duped by the "Middle". Thus revolution can never rid human society of class oppression, since the categories of "High" and "Low" will always and forever remain, and revolution can never actually be of the will of the working class, since it will always and forever be a cynical tool of the "Middle" and never of the "Low".
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