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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

Have you guys read George Orwell's 'The Road to Wigan Pier'?

It's amazing how much HASN'T changed since it was written. I the first chapter he describes loner men in their twenties who are essentially the incels of their time. They talk about "dodging marriage" although it's evident that they were nowhere near the vicinity of having any female interest. And instead of the internet they were at the library reading newspapers and coming up with silly theories based on both information and disinformation, which they talk endlessly about, much to the chagrin of the author. The astrology sections being especially interesting to them.

He lives amongst the proles as an educated man in disguise. He overcomes his racism and class-based feelings of superiority by first occupying Burma and siding with those he oppressed and then slumming it with the coal miners of North England upon his completion of military service.

It's one of the most fascinating books I've ever read. Really inspires communism and socialism, but it's also very cynical and grounded in reality. He mentions that most of the upper and middle class lefties don't really want the change they advocate for when you get right down to it. And while the lower/working classes would certainly like more money, they had little but suspicion and distaste towards the interests and pursuits of the upper classes. They viewed them as "elitist" and pompous, no matter how the people actually were.
So little has changed in this regard.

I know not everyone is into reading books, so I found a good audiobook version with a good narrator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VenejSIjvHs

Everyone knows 'Nineteen Eighty-Four', but he did so much more before he got to writing that. You guys will love Wigan Pier. He uses the word "bourgeois" a TON. I immediately thought of this website and you guys. You're probably all familiar with it already.

>>2419231
>He uses the word "bourgeois" a TON. I immediately thought of this website and you guys. You're probably all familiar with it already.

lol

>>2419255
>Leftypol be saying booooourg-ois. Damn you can't stop leftypol from saying bourgeois.
<That's true leftypol does like to say bourgeois

I actually still like George Orwell even if he was chucklef*ck reporting socialists to the British authorities and being a conservaboomer meme.

>>2419771
He is whatever he is needed to be for the argument, if its against rightoids its "HE WAS ONE OF US, HE WUZ POUM AND SHIT" if its against succdems "HE WAS A CIA/MI6/MOSSAD TRAITOR"
in reality, you're all liberals. All of you, just like him. YOU'RE ALL LIBERALS.

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There won’t be any capitalism in 5 years idiot.
They’re already starting to replace people with so and robots.

that's very interesting anon, thanks for sharing

>>2419771
>chucklefuck
hot take: any person who uses this word is fat

>>2419962
I bet I can bench your entire body weight. I work out.

>>2419962
I look like this

>>2419966
>i am unnaturally strong
right, so you are still obese

>>2419991
But he can probably eat you in two bites. Maybe three

>>2420000
i have more agility and stamina than any bodybuilder retard who wanted to get strong, so i can always get away. everyone knows that in mario kart, handling and acceleration are better stats than weight and speed.

>>2420014
>b-b-but I can run away !

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>>2420022
yes, and the big ogre's heart will explode from taking a light jog. thats where "gains" get you before your 40th birthday.

>>2420014
Unless it's an Alex Viada type, then you gonna get tired before he does.

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No one is discussing The Road to Wigan Pier though. That's what the thread is about.
It's a great book. It's entertaining and a great sales pitch for socialism. It's a book you can use to help to change some minds.

Did you read it or not? Just listen to the first half hour of the audiobook and you'll be hooked. I promise.
Very fascinating depiction of the world very long ago and yet so very much like our own times.

>>2419799
>Communist accusing everything in his field of vision to be liberal
Must be a day that ends in y!

>>2419799
This is leftypol. Liberals are a good thing here. That's not an insult.

>>2423404
Probably Orwell's best work since it predates him going to Spain and spending the rest of his life throwing a hissy fit about Marxism-Leninism. Definitely some interesting commentary on the condition of the English working class during the 30s and the state of the socialist movement at the time. It really does show that some things never change.

>>2423453
Thanks for demonstrating why the name "leftypol" is fucking retarded since the left-wing umbrella is just the opposite side of bourgeois politics and communism stands outside that realm.

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>>2423612
>your feet
<me

>>2423619
>rapefiend
<can only post the tamest and most normalfag fetishes
Cool.

>>2423620
>your stomach
<me

>>2423624
Now that's the spice.

>>2423612
You may be a little too deep, pal. Left is left. Communism isn't a rightwing ideology.

>>2419771
>and being a conservaboomer meme
Orwell was just a redpilled leftist, he knew that gommunism was a utopian pipe dream and exchanges bourgs in top hats for bourgs in military suits (who secretly deal with bourgs in top hats). He became cynical after going to Spain and actually fighting with revolutionaries, more than any stooge posting here ever did, and finding out first-hand how the revolution is actually a huge meme.

>>2423624
guro is hot

>>2419970
The fuck happened to Stav

>>2423453
>This is leftypol. Centrists are a good thing here. That's not an insult.
I love how liberals are allowed to make /leftypol/ into a landing pad just like /siberia/ is allowed to be made a landing pad for reactionaries by a site moderation consisting of capitalism supporters. Really love that for us.

>>2431939
Its just a 420 refugee uygha chill

>>2431933
>He became cynical after going to Spain and actually fighting with revolutionaries, more than any stooge posting here ever did, and finding out first-hand how the revolution is actually a huge meme.
Funny how millions of other revolutionaries around the world fought in actual revolutions and didn't come to that conclusion.

>>2419799
>He is whatever he is needed to be for the argument,
>in reality, you're all liberals
zero historical materialism guy is a pretentious radlib as always
>>2423453
>This is leftypol. Liberals are a good thing here. That's not an insult.
Liberalism is historically progressive against so-called feudal modes of production ("Free Tibet" the CIA literally does nothing except support monarchist pedophile slave owners lol).
>>2431933
>redpilled leftist
…however liberals like George Orwell who had the usual seething PMC Trot reaction against colonized proletarian slaves makes his historically outdated liberalism reactionary and regressive. That's why Fox News boomers see him as their ally, they're all the same smug neocon blowhards who would get invited to debate with the Jeffrey Epstein class

>>2431960
>>2432245
You will probably shot and thrown into a shallow ditch in Stalin's Russia, that is if you weren't one of the Chekists rounding randoms up and throwing them into ditches.

>>2432245
>liberals like George Orwell who had the usual seething PMC Trot reaction against colonized proletarian slaves

proofs???

>>2431960
>Funny how millions of other revolutionaries around the world fought in actual revolutions and didn't come to that conclusion.

Well yeah, a lot of people are unfortunately naive and idealistic. Orwell based Boxer and Clover on those.

are you unironically quoting animal farm on a leftist board

what a brave fucking revolutionary, creating anticommunist propaganda in the aftermath of the attempted extermination of eastern europeans. you have a redditor neoliberal's understanding of the history of the USSR. please go back to victims of communism memorial foundation and kill yourself with a suicide bomb big enough to take out others around you. you deserve to be thrown down the mineshaft like the nazi collaborator you are, spreading imperialist anticommunist propaganda like this.

>>2433117
I'm immune to your empty platitudes, alarmism, deflection and hand-wringing about the Nazis. Cockroaches like you remind me of Zionists who always default to the holocaust everytime someone tells them to stop killing Palestinians.

Stalin hijacked the revolution at Russia and it was what nearly got Slavs and eastern Euros exterminated. He also dealt with the Nazis and was allied to them, something that Orwell satirized brilliantly in Animal Farm. Pretty much every single thing that happens in Animal Farm has happened in every single gommunist revolution and ended up crashing or making material concessions one way or another.

Take your own advice and kill yourself, because your fantasies about lining up people against walls and shooting them are a pipe dream, and your revolutionary horseshit is dead, and pretty much every former gommunist is now a SocDem.

Orwell was a terrible asshole and should never be taken seriously.

>>2433136
You are literally taking a fairy story seriously written by someone who never even visited the Soviet Union at all. Please watch the video in my earlier post >>2433249 for more info.

>>2433249
its easy to make a character assassination of orwell because he was a pretty shit character, but even if he was a total saint who did nothing bad ever, his writings can still be disregarded independent of his personal character, because they are nothing more than mid science-fiction with nothing of substance and even then mostly plagiarism, like you probably should read zamyatins "we" instead of 1984 he is really just the ayn rand of the """"left""""

>>2433254
>You are literally taking a fairy story seriously written by someone who never even visited the Soviet Union at all
You don't need to visit a place to formulate opinions on it. Pretty amusing you think this is even an argument when you're defending the USSR without having even been born while it still existed.

>>2433088
I'd say history proved that George "Voting Labour will get us to socialism" Orwell was a lot more naive than anybody who supported Marxism-Leninism.

>>2433136
Embarrassing liberal post.

>>2432576
>Y.. you would end up in le hecking gulag!! Ebil Stalin would KILL you!!
Lmao lib moment

>>2434239
>>2433136
/Leftypol/ moderation really has taken a hit if unironic orwell defenders are now allowed

Also op is either a straight up glowie or just retarded, nobody talks like that

>>2434269
Labour Party didn't kill millions of British workers like Stalin did, though.
Sorry bro, the your Utopian revolutionary praxis only exists in fairy tales. It's never happening. Stalin, in one form or another, will always show up, hijack it and turn it into a state capitalist autocracy ruled by red-dyed bourgs.

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The visceral seethe Orwell generates isn't because he's a "liberal", it's because he hit the tankies right where it hurts.

You don't see Solzhytsin or whatever the fuck he was called or other western leftist intellectuals generate this amount of seethe, because none of them dissected the failure of the Marxist experiment in Eastern Europe & Russia like he did. Animal Farm is just 110 pages, and it lands all the right blows in all the right places, with an exercise of brevity rarely matched by any other author.

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>>2434350
>Labour party didn't kill millions of workers
Mfw

>>2434355
Alright… you have a point, the Labour Party sucks big donkey dick and Tony Blair should be flayed alive, these are my unironic and honest thoughts.

How does that square with Stalin stacking hundreds of thousands of corpses, cucking out the revolution, purging three quarters of the CPSU in the 30's, dropping internationalism and allying & sucker punched by Hitler?

>>2434354
>I frickin love stories circulated by the CIA to help spread anti communist sentiments across the world!!
Alright reddit goodnight 🥱

>>2434359
Maybe you should stop believing the things tony Blair believes how about that?

>>2434350
The Labour Party killed millions of people in colonial wars from Malaysia to Iraq but hey they were brown so I guess it's okay then huh? And unlike the Soviets they weren't desperately trying to hold together the world's first socialist state on the brink of a war of extermination while also trying to make up for 100 years of development in 10. The USSR engaged in revolutionary violence to transform society, a process which always includes excesses but is ultimately transitory and not inherently rooted to a mode of production. The Labour Party did the opposite: reactionary violence designed to maintain the existing mode of production and contain its inherent contradictions. Such violence is recurring and inevitable in a capitalist system, unlike the transitory nature of revolutionary excesses. If you don't understand the distinction between the transitory violence of revolution and the perennial violence of reaction you'll always be mired in liberalism.

>be Russian apparatchik in 1930's Russia
>learning theory at the local reading house
>Stalin suddenly signs an alliance with the Fascists, the archnemesis of the revolution, and the final form of Capitalism
>raise an eyebrow and ask questions
>a chekist shows up and you spend the next several years feezing in Siberia until Stalin drafts you into a penal battalion and sends you to die defending a trench while armed with nothing against the same people he shook hands with

>>2434372
Shoulda trusted the plan dumbass

>>2434372
that guy's name? albert einstein

>>2434354
As the video says, Animal Farm is more a critique on the workers themselves, constantly calling the workers dumb, easily lead, slovenly.

Animal Farm is not a critique of communism. It's an aristocratic screed on how terrible the workers are for daring to fight against their aristocratic so-called "betters".

Read this critique to get a better anyalsis: https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/

>>2434372
Based, the Party was right in the end and wreckers who reject the authority of the Party should not hold political strenth.

>>2434431
Even in 1984, Winston is freely able to chat with a prole outside the Party districts and ask about how life was before INGSOC, since the Party knows that the Proles are so stupid that there's no need to vigorously police their thoughts outside of hosting fake lotteries.
The whole theory of history that Orwell has is of some three metaphysical categories of people that exist across all time periods, across all stages of development, the "High", the "Middle", and the "Low". And the only threat to the "High"s power exclusively comes from the "Middle", and the "Low" is always forever doomed to stupidity and being duped by the "Middle". Thus revolution can never rid human society of class oppression, since the categories of "High" and "Low" will always and forever remain, and revolution can never actually be of the will of the working class, since it will always and forever be a cynical tool of the "Middle" and never of the "Low".

>>2434369
>the revolution will work
>just one more ditch full of corpses, comrades
Shitheads like you always think the Utopian future of their dreams is one ditch full of 'reactionaries' next. One of the great ironies in bleating sheep like you is that you refuse to come to terms with the fact that the idealists who would actually take the praxis seriously and develop productive forces efficiently and engage in class struggle are invariably among those who would be tossed in the ditches while bourgs in red suits hijack the revolution and the revolution slowly sinks back into capitalism.

>>2434493
>The revolution won't work
>Also violence is le bad
Lmao retard wrecker anticommunist

The real truth is that "Animal Farm" and "1984" were more mid than anything else; neither brilliant nor utter dogshit, just kind of the boring middle-of-the-road stuff teachers assign in English class. Not even bad, just mediocre.


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