I get that "Socialism in One Country" was ultimately a disastrous policy that ended in complete failure and that the Stalinists revised a lot of Marx's and Lenin's theory to falsely claim that the USSR had already achieved Socialism and ended class struggle in the fucking 30s but realistically speaking, what other approach could they have taken after the failure of the German and Hungarian revolutions?
Like if you were Stalin in the 1930 what would you have done differently to ensure that the Soviet Union stayed in the path of socialism while also maintaining theoretical purity?
179 posts and 41 image replies omitted.>>2443780What if instead of real communism it was reel communism.
society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. This fixation of social activity, this consolidation of what we ourselves produce into an objective power above us, growing out of our control, thwarting our expectations, bringing to naught our calculations, is one of the chief factors in historical development up till now.that means communism is when i get to do whatever i want you dont need any productive forces for that
>>2443762So then you admit that central to the MLoid ideology is the belief that communism is fundamentally impossible therefore socialism must be redefined as using capital to increase state coffers?
What separates this from any other form of mid-century keynesianism?
>>2444696I'm listening to a love festival for mostly white Americans on CGTN commemoratibg the glorious defeat of Japanese fascism right now
What are you on about?
>>2444888No shit. They are so far up their asses, the destruction of communism is somehow its advancement. borfags and leftcoms are loser idealists.
I don't even know what their "true communist" society would look like.
Show me an example of your ultra pure communist society borfags. Show me an economy without commodity production stupid retards.
Socialist commodity production >>>>>>> whatever bullshit fakery bordigas jerk off to
>>2444908>its just regular communism but appears spontaneously from correct arguments or willpower or passing laws instead of from material conditions.But how can that be if communism cannot arise from anything but material conditions? You can't just will communism into existence.
>thats why half the time they aren't even critiquing stalin, but marxAh that explains it. They are liberal idealists.
Only 1 question remains:
Where did all these bordiga retards come from? I even saw threads on 4chan praising him as the Only TRVE coomunist.
>>2444918>Ah that explains it. They are liberal idealists. yeah exactly. they think "stalinists" "tankies" "mloids" choose or prefer policies they consider "totalitarian" because they just love authority and want to be mean to the opposition and think that if they were in charge they would just write a law saying its illegal to produce commodities and communism would be achieved
thats why this retard keeps saying that MLs think communism is impossible when they talk about building the material foundation necessary to produce the means of life and want such that they can be fulfilled according to ability. he thinks that we want to do that instead of "real communism" instead of understanding it as the very means for achieving what they claim to want
>>2445033I just don't know what these people are doing here in the first place. It's some strange form of self-aggrandizement. But they must know they are a particularly retarded form of liberal anti-communism, they get told every day they rear their head. There are better ways, reddit (really), whatever.
Point is, if nothing matters, you are a general deadbeat cunt, sack of shit etc.
You still have some level of (coherent) motivation.
They are, on the other hand, a true marvel.
>>2445193I dunno I think there may be some material on that but I don't work here
I am simply an impartial observer
>>2423817Simple, do the French Revolution strat and continue the Revolutionary Wars without mercy. Then another generation would follow the steps instead of a soc-dem state poisoning the word socialism.
>ib4 utopian, want them living in poverty, sadist, idealist, puristNah, I just know that it's better to lose quickly that lose slowly for 70 years. Losing quickly makes it easier to regroup.
>>2445040Yeah that explains it. Another reddit raid.
No way that loser ideology is authentic.
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