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Discussion regarding picrel. Is it plausible or desirable? By this logic we have to be some terrifying accelerationists oriented around culling the human population if its not just waiting for a disaster to independently occur.

>>2427415
Not a program anyone would vouch for if it comes to supporting every war, but the sex strikes can be plausible as long as they're not short term and are widespread enough to affect a bourgeois nation's demographic significantly.

>>2427427
>Not a program anyone would vouch for
Except like O9A or other misanthropes that don't care about casualty loss. I guess that includes MLs, MLM and generally anyone who is willing to take up the program of indiscriminate massacre in the spirit of "the means justify the end". Then its a question of how many would wager their lives and how many would be devout to it. I don't think there's a way to ensure devotion to sex strikes unless slavery exists to ensure that the slaves aren't having sex to reproduce.

Have we really become this desensitized to violence? Maybe alienation is progressive if that kind of immunity was the outcome.

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>>2427415
uygha really made a whole new thread to show everyone their own unfunny posts on some random thread

Communism and anarchism is just warmongering and misanthropy in the end, just to defile a self-destructive mode of production over humanity's inaction.

>>2427435
Explain how any of it is wrong

>>2427435
uygha you dont understand what any of this means

>>2427439
sorry i didnt laugh at your dank memes

>>2427445
you must be nervous too

It was only funny when Logo did it because he's an unironic retard.

< This is the problem with understanding “family abolition” as the abolition of the family or “kin” as such rather than the abolition of “the family” as in “the Five Families” of the New York/Jersey Mafia etc

https://twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1953197151460442432

what a retarded pointless thread

>>2427450
>ceasing to reproduce to cause a crisis is totally the same as a bad pun

>>2427452
>lets boycott capitalism
amerifats really can only think in terms of consumer politics

>>2427454
Boycotting consumer goods is not the same as the proletariat threatening to not reproduce anymore when the population is low.

>>2427451
You need someone to spell it out for you to see the point.

>>2427457
yeah lets convince everyone, including non proletarians, to simply not have kids

>>2427467
Doesn't seem too impossible, it just needs to be a large enough pool of people to have leverage since it will only work when the population is low since its impossible to implement it on a large scale, so OP's conclusion is that any war is progressive because they all end up culling the population.

>>2427469
>any war is progressive
Or any disaster that can make the human population smaller.

>>2427415
That Comrade is actually on to something very insightful, as I have always stated that any honest Dialectical Materialist Analysis shows that Birth Strikes/Anti-Natalism are Historically Progressive (they deprive Porky of future Wage Slaves, which Porky still needs for now, until he can Automate the entire workforce in the 4th Industrial Revolution) and the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War that destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, will create the Material Conditions for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is currently viable, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and the Imperial Core where Maoist PPW won’t be viable until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last few months) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2427467
Who cares about the optics?

>>2427507
idc about optics and that wasnt my point

>>2427415
No. We must lower the rate of profit which the porkies react to with fascism. But we should not immiserate the proletariat ourselves. We do not let proles go from their jobs, we compel the capitalists to greater technical innovation by doing our part to develop the productive forces and then we let the capitalists outsource jobs and so on.

>>2427471
The destruction of capital only serves the bourgeoisie. We must bring about the capitalist crisis but we must not commit to it ourselves.

Semi relevant
Listen to "Technique & Revolution" | Fascism & Social Revolution (1935) by RP Dutt, Ch 1. Audiobook/Discussion by Socialism for All / S4A ☭ Intensify Class Struggle on #SoundCloud
https://on.soundcloud.com/gdpe7LlH3wCQKe3Oz3

>>2427587
Also semi-obligatory "Grapes of Wrath" quote.

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

Nuclear war is just petty-bourgeois luddism/fascism.

>>2427587
>>2427588
I know it is a tough pill to swallow, but Global Nuclear War is the only way the World Maoist PPW will be successful, as it is the only thing that will truly destroy the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, as it will completely destroy the Worldwide Intelligence-Security Infrastructure of the Global Fascist Police State Panopticon, thus creating the Material Conditions for Maoist PPW to be successful not just in the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where it is already being waged (the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru), but in the Imperial Core itself, thus creating the Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

As a pessimist with a vasectomy, I really do think the most ethical and class conscious thing you can do is to stop reproducing and stop feeding laborers into Capital. Reproducing is the worst sin you can commit, arguably as bad if not worse than murder

>>2427662
Why help the capitalists? You should have as many kids as possible in order to stress the system. More population (and a more educated population) ~ greater development of the productive forces.

>>2427667
(1) capitalists WANT an excess surplus population living in misery bro, have you even read Das Kapital book 1?

(2) even if you were fighting capital or whatever, you're really going to throw your kids into the meat grinder for the "cause"?

>>2427667
>You should have as many kids as possible in order to stress the system.
yeah mate you should stress the lion by throwing as many young lambs into its cage as possible

>>2427662
Based Take Comrade, every Prole Worldwide needs to commit to a Permanent Birth Strike as long as the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System exists, and once the Global USSR is created after the World Maoist PPW is successful (after the Global Nuclear War), their will be a major effort to produce Artificial Wombs that will liberate Women from the oppression of Child Birth, and this will happen simultaneously with the Global Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution to purge the Superstructure of all Bourgeois, Reactionary, and Revisionist elements (ie. Religion will be banned, Religious buildings demolished, Religious Clergy, Capitalists, Fascists, and Revisionists, will be forced to wear Dunce Caps, attend Struggle Sessions, and be sent to Reeducation Camps, so they can be taught to embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism), which will ban Bourgeois Femininity by forcing all Women to have extremely Short Hair (Pixie Cut or Shorter), ban lipstick/makeup, ban dresses/skirts, etc. in order to flatten the Reactionary Gender Binary and achieve True Proletarian Gender Equality in a Purely Socialist Superstructure, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2427667
Stop being a Reactionary MAGA “Communist” Maupinte Pro-Natalist Khrushchevite/Dengist Revisionist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Marcyite Campist Capitalist Roader, put on the Dunce Cap, attend the Struggle Session, and embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2427471
>>2427640
Additionally, my Dialectical Materialist stance that Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time, and that Maoist PPW will not be successful in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, is the reason I so vehemently oppose Infantile Glowie Fedposting Adventurist Anarchist “Propaganda of the Deed” Retardation, as those who partake in that foolishness will accomplish nothing but getting themselves Killed or Incarcerated, which is the reason that Real Communists (Marxist-Leninist-Maoists) base their Praxis purely on the Material Conditions of their country, not on irrational emotional impulses like Anarchists do, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2427415
I find the idea that communist should not have kids stupid. Why should I not want to have kids? I will raise them communist. I will raise them not according to bourgeois morality but as a means to get more communists. It's not that hard to raise kids, it's really fucking hard to fuck it up - once you know what your parents did wrong and once you don't put expectations of (petty-)bourgeois society on them, the only thing you have to do is treat them as people and raise them as communists. My father (or, let me put it more generally) - fathers and mothers - they have no moral standing, no system of values, they function in the swamp of 'traditionalist' inertia. No reflection of what's going on, just going with the flow of bourgeois society. What Marx meant by 'abolishing the family' already happened - the family constitutes alienated individuals which only pretend to like each other because of societal expectation. Tolstoy put it more bluntly - all happy families are happy in the same (bourgeois) way, all unhappy families are unhappy in their own (working class) way. (words in brackets mine)

The entire point of why the proletariat is revolutionary class (or, what is necessary and sufficient condition for a class to be revolutionary) is that in the production schema M - C … P … C' - M' the part … P … is the prole working on something, imbuing a product of labor with her own labor power, creating new value (value is something only makes sense under capitalism, where one can measure how much labor time went into it, value will not exist under socialism, abolishing value is consequence of abolishing capital, but this is different can of worms), something which no other class can do. It has nothing to do with proles 'should' own nothing, 'should' not have kids, 'should' be from XIX century etc. The proletariat is revolutionary because it is necessary part of society (you cannot reproduce capital without proles) and it is sufficient for proles to exist, for capitalism to exist (if there are proles, there is wage labor, there is capital, and there is bourgeoisie).

Any argument what constitutes 'real' proletariat is moralism in final instance. Even Stirner understood this more clearly than most do.
<The labourers have the most enormous power in their hands, and, if they once became thoroughly conscious of it and used it, nothing would withstand them; they would only have to stop labour, regard the product of labour as theirs, and enjoy it. This is the sense of the labour disturbances which show themselves here and there.
<The state rests on the – slavery of labour. If labour becomes free, the state is lost.
Of course, he argued for voluntarism (became thoroughly conscious of it and used it) (being an egoist), but the rational kernel is there.

p.s. Marx had several kids. God know how many bastards Engels had. Mao too. Stalin was also a breeder. Lenin is the only exception; but then again, as a rule, Lenin is always an exception.

>>2427708
i mean yeah if you want to have a kid to give him an anime training montage childhood for communism then go ahead

>>2427723
Cynicism rots the soul. If you do not believe, why are you pretending to be a communist? Why to you pretend to be anything? Terrible bait. At least engange with the post instead of reducing your existance to quippy one-liners. The latter is a characterstic of 'the redditor'.

>>2427438
>Explain how any of it is wrong
begone, attention vampire

>>2427471
>ongoing Maoist PPWs in (…) Peru
Sendero Luminoso stopped being a thing long ago and its remnants are in it for the narco activity, same deal as with FARC remnants

>>2427685
I mean protracted people's war in Ireland has been somewhat successful which puts the lie to the idea that it's impossible in the imperial core.

>>2427739
Northern Ireland was a British Fascist Settler-Colonial Police State under Martial Law and British Military Occupation which didn’t have the trappings of Liberal Bourgeois Democracy (I don’t think they even had elections their when the IRA insurgency was most active) until after the Troubles ended, so that was an obvious exceptional case in the Imperial Core, which doesn't violate my Dialectical Materialist Analysis that Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, as the latter circumstance De Facto applied to Northern Ireland due to the Martial Law suspending Liberal Bourgeois Democracy, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2427736
Their are still armed factions of the Shining Path waging a low level Maoist PPW in Peru, but you are right that it is not anywhere near as active as the ongoing Maoist PPWs waged by the CPI (Maoist) in India, the CPP-NPA-NDF in the Philippines, or even the TKP/ML in Turkey, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

You all should already realize this why they are replacing us with immigrants and eventually with ai. Goofy that OP really thought this was some groundbreaking concept. When in all reality it's a convoluted way of saying "I don't want to bring children into this world". Making some sort of personal choice into some ideological policy decisions. Stupid


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