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Don't overcomplicate it. The material goal of all Marxist thought is not any empty phrase like liberation, brotherhood or equality. It's too establish class dictatorship of the working classes. Marxism doesn't need the philosophical baggage intellectuals try to push at every step. To win the battle of democracy, to establish the working class the demos, to establish state rule over the haves by the have-nots. Everything else is sand in eyes. Only the working classes can do this, because the working classes are the only ones capable of creating value in the production process. The majority mustn't be aware of its interest, but we communists know what their interests are. Never stop agitating for them. Eventually, our ideas will become mass ideas, because there are no other mass ideas except Marxism.

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>>2427813
>It's too establish class dictatorship of the working classes.
That's not the goal, it's a transition phase.

Begin fighting…. now

>>2427822
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

>>2427831
That's the goal. Everything after that is speculation and unscientific.

>>2427833
A classless society is unscientific speculation?

>>2427835
No, but it's something we can only try to establish once we've got the groundwork ie the proletarian dictatorship. Before that - speculation.

>>2427836
Still a transition period though:

>Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm

>>2427813
you are ignoring that those "empty phrases" are quite useful for propaganda work.

>Marxism goal is establishing class dictatorship (ie maintaining the capitalist base)
Holy liberalism

Read Marx illiterate monkey

>>2427813
>It's too establish class dictatorship of the working classes.
Long live Denmark

>>2427835
>>2427833
you can have scientific speculation.
but yeah we can only figure out what happens after we've made some changes. maybe it turns out there are more issues that we need to resolve.

>>2427813
>Don’t over complicate it, the real goal of Marxism is
<Immediately jettisons Marx’s actual perspective as shallow intellectualizing to basically reiterate that communism is when you make proles middle class and kill a billionaire every five years
You people would accomplish more if you voted for socdems than LARPing as socialists

>>2427833
Communism does not have shallow, narrow goals; MLs are so pathetically attached to images and sentiments it really is revolting

Communism is so much more totalizing and destructive than the narrow liberal eternal class rule dogshit you’re trying to push, please, this site already has enough Hitler particles

People like you should genuinely fear communists, not LARP as them

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>>2427813
Socialism ultimately rests in developing the productive forces and intensifying the contradiction between labor and capital. There can not be socialism without the advance of industry and the reorganization of society alongside more productive, less superstitious and less profitable lines.

>>2427813
>socialism is when class society

>>2427813
You are not a communist. You are an agent of chaos and an edgy social democrat

It's happening again. Ultras reducing Marxism to phrases (abolish capital! abolish class rule!) ignoring realities, ignoring the fact that and kind of socialist transformation requires both a minimal and maximal political programme. The minimal program is the proletarian dictatorship - the organized and systemic red terror by the workers state against the bourgeoisie and other yesterday's ruling classes. How else can the proleteriat win the battle of democracy? After securing political and state power can we talk of reorganizing production for need… not before and not at the same time. The proletarian dictatorship withers away (long reformatory process), the bourgeois state is smashed during the social revolution…

This need to be a bigger Catholic than the pope is getting tiring. Organizing a consistent reading club before you think you're in a position to criticize the minimal invariant communist programme since 1848.

>don't overcomplicate it. we dont want 'freedom' or anything silly like that. we want <complex idea>

nice bait

>>2428083
What is freedom? This is a nebulous concept that everyone understands to her pleasing. Freedom is a class concept. What is freedom for the worker is not the same what is freedom for a bourgeois. A class dictatorship of the working classes, that's something concrete, tangible, simple. It's the political dominance of the working classes. It's our class dictatorship. Freedom is a practical, historical act. Not a mental one.

>>2428077
i'm a proud ultra then

>>2428180
You are a splitting, dogmatic, insuffarable piece of shit, that's what you are. High on your farts.

>>2427813
>we don't want <end>, we want <means to that end>
aight cool

>>2427893
> A dictatorship of the proletariat is actually the capitalist base.
t. Complete fucking idiot

>>2427929
you don't even have to post Deng to make this point. Marx said much earlier:

>No social order is ever destroyed before all the productive forces for which it is sufficient have been developed, and new superior relations of production never replace older ones before the material conditions for their existence have matured within the framework of the old society."

<Karl Marx, from the preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy (1859)

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/preface.htm

>>2427813
What are the working classes and the have-nots, exactly? Is a house painter who runs his own business part of the working class? Is a used car dealership owner half of whose assets are in stock part of the working class? How about a CEO who gets a salary and works 40 hours a week?

>>2427893
People on this site just be saying anything. What a retard

>>2430042
If you do not own private property then you are not a capitalist. The house painter still pays rent and interest in any case, they do not own the means of production.

>>2429976
It's convenient that you didn't use a green arrow.

Read theory, retard. Lenin didn't claim the USSR was socialist once in his life.

>>2430370
Lenin died like 8 years into the establishment of the USSR lmao, the civil war had barely ended and the Bolsheviks barely had time to do anything. Of course he didn't call it socialist at the time, but he was fully convinced it would be able to transition into the early stages of socialism, which it did under Stalin

>>2430385
>USSR: the second DOTP in history after the Paris commune founded in 1917
>isn't once called socialist by its founder
>the Paris commune never once called socialist by Marx (while maintaining its DOTP status)
It's over

It's almost like political power is a superstructure or something idk lol :)

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>>2427815
people love shit like this photo. masses of people holding up giant portraits of thought leaders…. who most of them never bothered reading and probably couldn't say much about. I want people to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, not simply hold up giant portraits of them in parades.

>>2430408
Yeah, you don't know. If an idea grips the masses, it becomes a material force. The proletarian dictatorship is the first organization of society that puts political power in the hands of the working classes, the working masses. It is no longer part of the superstructure. Political power expressed directly and without representatives becomes part of the base. :)


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