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I’m a little surprised by how little discussion there is on the conventionality of knowing how to fight to politics given that it’s the legally hardest thing to get into trouble over and is one of the most versatile ways to deal with violent encounters both in terms of beating violent people and in terms of getting away or evading hits from them. Why exactly wouldn’t a socialist or even any liberation based thinker not advocate for the proletariat to not be someone capable in hand to hand combat (mainly for blocking and dodging different attacks and reliably disarming and fighting multiple people at once)?

>>2431028
>legally hardest thing to get into trouble over and
What country are you from? In America it is very easy to go away for years. Also people have the legal right to blast your ass if you swing at them.

>>2431029
Any country that isn’t America. Also no way that shitty law actually gets enforced given how pathetic and incompetent the police force of your country is compared to most other countries.

>>2431028
Realistically, you're talking about taking martial arts classes. It's an interesting subject. My brother has really gotten into it, and now I need to get up off my ass and sign up. Not for political reasons, just for fitness and because it's interesting. My actual experience of this and how it relates to politics is a lot of people trying to act tough and try to intimidate others but also avoid getting into a fight if at all possible.

>>2431029
>Also no way that shitty law actually gets enforced
You're very mistaken.

>>2431200
Wrong. Acting tough does the opposite of getting you out of fights—also if you get your ass kicked being called a fraud is earned. Just calm yourself down and let the situation de escalate. Martial arts is useful for defensive techniques in real fights (as in not blocking punches with your face) and offensive techniques in sports (as in learning to hit people by punching them instead of slapping them which is far more common than one would think)

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>>2431220
>Acting tough does the opposite of getting you out of fights—also if you get your ass kicked being called a fraud is earned.
I agree. From what I've seen, there are individuals and groups that try to look like badasses, because they think other people will be afraid of them. They want to create an intimidating aura so other people won't mess with them. But that doesn't work very well, because the more aggression you create, the more it's going to eventually come back on you.

>>2431245
Good eye. Always fear the people in street fights that keep their shoulders relaxed, their arms at head level, and their eyes fixed towards you while saying “I don’t want to fight.” That shit right there is a trap

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If you wanna learn how to fight then just learn any non meme striking martial art (boxing, muay thai, kickboxing, karate that includes sparring and isnt just kata)+any non meme grappling (freestyle or greco roman wrestling, BJJ, judo, sambo) and that's enough to beat most people around your weight to exist in the world.

Now if you were to compete with just that level of fighting then you'd just be an MMA jobber but truth be told MMA jobbers that get KO'd in other fighter's highlight reels mog pretty much every untrained person so bad its unreal so if you wanna learn martial arts just for self defense then "mma jobber tier" is exceptionally high tier in a street context.

>>2431252
This happens in policing and military contexts too. In Iraq, Americans had a really bad habit of acting aggressively. I think it's part of the reason why there are explosive anti-police riots in America, it's because the police act so aggressively, because they think that will make them safer. I'm speaking about America because it's my context, but I do think is probably very American too. And of course, you have these right-wing groups that will try to mimic the police and the military.

Just look at the Blackwater guys in Iraq on the left. But they exported this mentality to Iraq, and they had a method (borrowed directly from the U.S. military) to fire at cars that came too close to them. They'd first pump their fists and shout "get back!" (in Arabic) and then fire a warning shot, then put a burst into the engine, and then the next burst would go into the driver. But they're driving around a Middle Eastern country, it's not like you just forgive someone for shooting up your car. Of course these guys would get blown up.

Apparently, the British-style organizations worked a bit better. They were better at reading the street and blending in. From what I can tell, the British police will take people down and hit people with clubs, but they seem to do a lot more deescalation training. They don't give off the same kind of aura.

>>2431262
Do Americans just not understand concepts like respecting someone else’s strength or prioritizing survival?

>>2431258
>that's enough to beat most people around your weight to exist in the world
That's also true. Within a year of doing martial arts, my brother can now probably beat up most people in terms of sheer percentages. But there's a couple more percentage points of people who can beat him up.

>>2431264
>Do Americans just not understand concepts like respecting someone else’s strength or prioritizing survival?
Man, I dunno. We're a self-absorbed people. We live in a bubble, but we're also highly individualistic in a way. "I'm a self-reliant tough guy who doesn't want to show any weakness." As you can tell, this causes a lot of problems.

This an important part of MAGA as well. Trump is emblematic of that. America doesn't need to rely on anybody else, it's America First, baby. But America also has to look strong and threatening, and that will make us safer. Or so they think. Maybe some people will be cowed by that. But others see through it. Or maybe it's more likely to result in power struggles that escalate into violence.

Related to politics, but that's the issue with Trumpian populism and it's relationship to conflict. People see MAGA types and Trump talking about being against wars. But within their own psychology and mentality, to avoid war is to avoid looking weak or apologizing for anything we've done, and be like "don't mess with us or we're going to bomb the shit out of you" and make the military look more threatening. "Get the woke out of the military." That's the mentality.

>>2431262
No, British police are not these wholesome peaceful chaps who will always try to de-escalate, they are a bloodthirsty violent gang who are barely held back from attacking people in the street. They are just pigs with a thin veneer of humanity.

>>2431028
Grappling martial arts like BJJ, wrestling and judo are top tier in 1-1 fights.

>>2431832
Too bad that they become useless in fights that aren’t 1 on 1 or involve fighting on hard/sharp surfaces. Jeet kune do or something, don’t do stupid shit just because it looks flashy

>>2431028
they have these things called guns now, some say they are a great equalizer

>>2431431
you are right. that gray nazi poster doesnt know what he's talking about.

>>2431431
sage. log onto matrix

>>2432042
“the conventionality of knowing how to fight to politics given that it’s the legally hardest thing to get into trouble over”

post-USSR Russian martial arts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systema

books:
https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=149128172

https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=149894380
>"While the Russian martial arts are not a hybrid, they are heavily influenced by the martial arts of many cultures. Russia is an enormous country with a huge border that was challenged by a long history of invasion and occupation. Between the 13th and 15th centuries alone, the country endured more than 160 wars. Consequently, the Russians were constantly exposed to exotic weapons and strategies. The massive variety of geography inside Russia also meant that tactics needed to be adaptable to changing conditions, and that’s a big part of why the traditional Russian martial arts are so free and playful."
"Your lack of whimsy is pathetic" - old Russian martial artist scolding a young thug
>"After the Russian Revolution in 1917, the global climate shifted dramatically. The days of the world being dominated by conflicts between nation-states gave rise to conflicts between ideologies. It began with wars between fascism, communism, and liberal democracy. During the Cold War, these ideologies were embodied by the leading superpowers, which set the stage for the world that we live in today. That conflict was also the forge that refined the Russian martial arts into their modern form. In anticipation of global warfare, the Soviet government commissioned combat researchers to travel throughout the world to study different approaches. They tested these methods an integrated the best concepts with their own native traditions. This period of development led to the creation of distinct Soviet martial arts, including Sport Sambo, Combat Sambo, and Samoz, which was later modified and became known simply as Systema (literally “the System”). After the fall of the Soviet Union, ex-soldiers began migrating throughout the world, slowly spreading these approaches."

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