Preaching to people doesn't do anything, especially about reactionary prejudices. The struggle against these prejudices in the labour movement manifests from collective struggle that makes self-interest among individual proletarians in individual ente

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Anonymous 14-08-25 04:21:54 No.2431714

Preaching to people doesn't do anything, especially about reactionary prejudices. The struggle against these prejudices in the labour movement manifests from collective struggle that makes self-interest among individual proletarians in individual enterprises amalgamate into common class interests.

When there's no strong labour movement there's absolutely no reason why bigotry can't fester, and it's not like bigotry in itself can anull any progress of a developing movement anyway. It's merely an abstraction that can hinder association of producers, which can be resolutely be diminished by struggle, because they themselves would see it as an obstacle to realising their own practical interests, and see it for the retarded shit that it is.

A male dock worker is going to find more resonance with a female one when organised for their self interests and basic survival, more than he will with retard podcasters telling him that the auspices and tastes of middle-class women are the root of all his problems.

Glownonymous 14-08-25 16:14:57 No.2432284

i was making a similar argument to a friend the other day and he said it wasnt about the workers but about "opponents of a labour movement" and its like then it matters even less, retards will always be retards

Anonymous 14-08-25 19:03:05 No.2432457

>>2431714
Monopsony rents are rooted in the stagnant material conditions of imperialism. For example, the urban sprawl of the imperial core led to a reactionary regression in the conditions of women. In general, much of bigotry boils down to the self-exploitation of an embourgeoised imperial core. Bigotry is a real problem but the solution is developing the productive forces and proletarianizing the middle-class. Pushing for equality (in a real way) and fir real needs like dense rental housing develops the productive forces, lowers the rate of profit and produces the conditions for a revolutionary situation. Engels on the housing question did not fully take into account the stagnant of the imperial core, and the need for the workers to push forward the development of the productive forces.

Anonymous 14-08-25 19:54:36 No.2432577

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>>2431714
>A male dock worker is going to find more resonance with a female one
A female what?
What next, a female roofer?
This is the problem with leftists, too much theory, no understanding of the real world.

Anarcho-Stalnism 15-08-25 08:56:18 No.2433253

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>>2431714
What I preach is I deserve free stuff. This is pragmatic socialism.

When I go to the gas station and I just take some Skittles and Monster energy. That's reparations for having to exist on this gay earth as a proletariat.

Ain't gonna argue about it.
Just gimme my free stuff.
I don't expect the pajeet working the gas station to have a bajillion dollars.
Just gimme my free stuff.
The person who does owe me a billion dollars (moderators) themselves doesn't have a billion dollars.
Don't care. Gibs me dats. Just to make them suffer.

Do you deserve free stuff? Maybe… I don't know if I can say everyone deserves gibs. Y'all are kind of buttholes defending jannies.

Anonymous 15-08-25 09:06:49 No.2433263

>>2433253
This is the correct line

Anonymous 15-08-25 11:48:45 No.2433331

>>2431714
Whatever you do never ever ever ever talk about communism. Never talk about the specifics of a post-capitalist economy and how it is organized or created. That shit is scary and will just alienate people. The movement is everything, the goal is just a hypothetical dream that we will worry about in the future. The fight to redistribute surplus profits is the highest form of socialist struggle, as is the fight to assist the bourgeoisie in developing the productive forces so there is more surplus to tax (for the benefit of everyone, of course).

All you need to do is smile and assert that 1920s-levels of social organization can be created by sheer willpower regardless of the material conditions. If they say they're pessimistic about their ability to unite or resist global capital then just smile wider and insist that they are wrong. The incredible power of feels and vibes is enough to overcome anything that stands in our way.

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