In the previous discussions with mates in leftypol, the most contentious part has been regarding Democracy.
The mainstream view on this forum is one of distrust towards Western electoral systems, holding that electoralism is nothing more than an art of misleading and deception, with greater preference for vanguardism.
Yet as a resident of China, a citizen who has been ruled by the vanguard all my life, I loathe the fact that the government fails to hear our songs and ignore our criticism and supervision.
Yeah, I can see, what is happening in Taiwan, where there is full of chaos and hardly something in progress. It's true that the western system is uneffcient and corrupt, but changeable and reviseable, different from autocracy.
Anyway, I'm sorry that a director, which you prefer, with great authority, has come into power already, in the USA, whose name is DJT.
Or, what you like is a director you like, instead of a director you dislike?
Then how can we make sure about it?
Power can change a person, from head to toes. You may like someone before ther're in charge, but you cannot take them down after they come into power. They may cheat, they may lie, but no way you can regret, withnot democracy.
How many MAGAs are there, who voted for Trump, and got upsetted by his behaviour and policy afterwards? Ones those believe in socialism and hope for a leader, is not that different from the Republicans, are they? They want a GOP, Grand Old Party as well. The mere diversity lies in the specific.
>We want no condescending saviors
>To rule us from a judgment hall;
>We workers ask not for their favors;
>Let us consult for all.
>from The Internationale
Democracy is the basis of socialism and commuinism. If it is granted, anything else follows.
PS: Some suspects that I am not Chinese but a employee to spread misinformation. I write in Chinese in the photogragh uploaded on purposs.
>>2434979They do not while I do.
The problem is that, are you sure the elected president does act as the will of people? In my view, voters in the USA are voting for a king, all the time, instead of a representative.
>I have power over the cosmic bureaucracy, my paperwork is GodI am sorry for not understanding.
>>2435104“voting for a king”, means voting for someone in order to get the person into power, while the power is so wide and vast like a dictator or king.
I find it strange while re-reading it, for my first tongue is not English.
>>2434829The people ITT are morons, I agree with you OP, at least to an extent.
I've said it before, and I'll probably say it a million times more, but the problem with "representative" politics, including Western republicanism, is that they create two distinct political "classes", politicians, and regular people. Obviously some degree of authority is necessary, but it needs to be as minimal as possible. Otherwise, those with political power can and will use it to their own ends.
>no distinction between bourgeois "democracy" and proletarian democracy>no commentary on the class character of a given system claiming to be democratic>no historical understanding of democracy as limited freedom/suffrage with universal suffrage being only a recent historical innovation>no understanding that there is illusory "democracy" (political campaigns for representation) in the public sector of the nation-state without there being not even the attempt at such an illusion in the workplacejust gonna copy paste a response i had to another anon:
Marx talks about bourgeois democracy being "shallow" and "vulgar."
>Even vulgar democracy, which sees the millennium in the democratic republic, and has no suspicion that it is precisely in this last form of state of bourgeois society that the class struggle has to be fought out to a conclusion — even it towers mountains above this kind of democratism, which keeps within the limits of what is permitted by the police and not permitted by logic.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
>Every demand of the simplest bourgeois financial reform, of the most ordinary liberalism, of the most formal republicanism, of the most shallow democracy, is simultaneously castigated as an "attempt on society" and stigmatized as "socialism".
<Marx in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852)But he does not talk about democracy in and of itself as being inherently bourgeois, and stresses the need for the proletariat to "win the battle of democracy."
>[…] the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htmLenin contrasts this bourgeois, shallow, vulgar democracy with proletarian democracy:
>It is ridiculous to think that Mr. Kautsky could find in any country even one out of a thousand of well-informed workers or farm labourers who would have any doubts as to the reply. Instinctively, from hearing fragments of admissions of the truth in the bourgeois press, the workers of the whole world sympathise with the Soviet Republic precisely because they regard it as a proletarian democracy, a democracy for the poor, and not a democracy for the rich that every bourgeois democracy, even the best, actually is.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htmDo not listen to anons who say communism is not democratic. These anons are confused contrarians who take bourgeois society's claim to be "democratic" at face value and assume by extension that a post-capitalist society would have no collective decision making apparatus or systems of representation. Often they are reactionaries.