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1. History is not a forward flow river of "progress" unlike what Marxists believe. Increase in "productivity" is not same as "progress" in the sense that humans will get more freer and intellectually superior.

example of this would be caloric intake and quality of food consumed by a medieval peasant vs a modern 3rd world worker. A modern 3rd world worker in a country such as India eats carb heavy third class food much worse than what a medieval peasant used to eat.

2. Alienation is increasing not because of all the stupid theories of marx but because how humans inherently are. Humans were forced to be social earlier because of scarcity of resources and now with abundance of third class cheap resources they aren't compelled to be social and hence they are not social.

3. Humans are the only species in the animal kingdom with significant level of unevenness in its "consciousness" (for some of you illiterate idiots, consciousness means ability of any living organism to be aware about its surrounding). This gives way for class society and not the ruling classes from Mars who are responsible for that. There will always be uneveness in the consciousness of humans and it will always lead to some kind of class society automatically. No state or authority can change this.

4. Giving women, minorities or any other holy oppressed groups any kind of "democratic power" won't lead to any progress at all ever. They will also end up becoming a part of same oppressive machinery. There is no right way of doing it.

Because of all above reasons there won't be any revolution or any such nonsense ever. Things will just keep on getting worse and worse and humans will be in for slow process of extinction.

However, there is one way through which humans can reach salvation. And that solution sound like what villains in cartoons used to have. That is to kill all humans, that will relieve humans of all the pain that they go through as part of this useless existence. Humans ultimately can not achieve any infinite goal. Billions of sad souls in immense pain will be relieved forever of their pain. This is totally achievable with a sizeable group of like minded people. With growth in science, we have multiple options such as engineered viruses and nuclear bombs etc. It is about time anyways that intelligent people will ultimately figure it out. Some of them are figuring it out anyways, with pilots crashing planes along with all the passengers.

Marxists off course being B team of bourgeois rulers and optimist opportunists won't agree to this but this is the path to go.

>>2436096
Revolution isn't willed into existence a priori, it is only a reaction to economic crises, but you also have opportunists who prey on the discontent.

18th century ass speech about how the king is all mighty against the liberals

I am not going to address the rest of your points because they are stupid, but concerning alienation, you are right that in Marx it is rather vibe based underdeveloped concept, a victim of being pre-Freudian thinker, but also is not about being or not being social, you seem to be confusing it with atomisation.
>That is to kill all humans, that will relieve humans of all the pain that they go through as part of this useless existence
Counterpoint: all complex organisms go through it, the human responsibility as the only aware species is to end all pain for everyone, not just other humans. Communism is the best way for unchaining science from constrains of profit motive, and as such of devising means of ending all organic life on the planet.

>>2436139
>you are right that in Marx it is rather vibe based underdeveloped concept, a victim of being pre-Freudian thinker, but also is not about being or not being social
alienation is not just the feeling of alienation but also an economic fact, alienation also means that the producer is separated from her product i.e. a factory worker making stuff but the finished product is taken aways by the boss - that's also alienation
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm

The easiest way to assess the possibility of a revolution is to ask yourself a question – is it easier form a coherent party that isn't rendered dysfunctional by infiltration and infighting, amass a country-wide revolutionary movement, win a civil war, rebuild the country and hope that life improves somewhat in your time… or get a degree/start a business?

>>2436358
actually, we should ask ourselves many more questions

1. Is there a group of intelligensia that raised the banner of Marxism in a given country?
2. Did it grow on its own or in opposition to some already existing unscientific popular anticapitalist movement?
3. Is a popular political programme written?
4. Have Marxist circles of intelligents multiplied, spread, expanded, all while upholding the programme?
5. Have the Marxist circles united around party principles?
6. Is party-to-be ready to pass from circle propaganda to mass agitation?
7. Is there mass workers movement already existing? Are workers already struggling and organizing on their own? That is, is consciousness ripe to pass from trade-unionism to party-building? Is it below trade-union consiousness?
8. Has the would-be party educated enough workers politically in their struggle? Has it explained and connected the mass movement with communist political demands?
9. Has the would-be party built enough connections among the working class movement? Enough working class organizations? Built trust among the workers by working amongst them? Ready to respond to every injustice the workers may face?
10. Does the would-be party give impetus elswhere across the country to establish similar working class organizations? Are groundworks laid for an all-country organization that can start building the communist party and go against the bourgeois state?

>>2436358
Depends, for what % of population? Because there is a point where the revolution does become more realistic scenario.

>>2436343
I thought alienation was not owning your own means of production i.e. not owning the factory you work in to pay yoir bills

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>>2436096
>muh human nature #1000000000000000000
>developing the productive forces ain't progress
>alienation happens cuz workers r unsocial cuz cheap workers are social
>le marx is le equality (Liberté, égalité, fraternité) bro!
I agree on the democracy part, no meme arrow there.
>le salvation is uhh… kill yourself.
Another day another pseud.

>>2436410
well, that's a superficial understanding

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>>2436096
>There will always be uneveness in the consciousness of humans and it will always lead to some kind of class society automatically
Primitive communism was already a stage of human development you retarded faggot

Op you're 13 years old.

OP
>we can't do communism, that's not realistic
also OP
>the only realistic solution is to kill everyone

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>>2436096
I actually agree with you more than you realize

1: I still think alienation is ultimately our relationship with capital, but I won't deny tech and our environment as a whole determines it, and you may be onto something that alienation is in large part a choice phenomena that people instinctively do even if to a fault.

2: You are correct in that history isn't some mass move forward but that doesn't mean it's strictly worse either. I think we have to come at it rationally of what about those previous eras would benefit us personally vs now.

3: Yes, some people are just smarter than others not just academically but emotionally. This doesn't mean we shouldn't have rights or laws to protect those rights.

4: Probs my only real disagreement not even because I'm denying the bourgeois's use of women and minorities to weaponize and galvanize, but because we're all ultimately individuals responsible for our own behavior. Are women bad or are the women who choose to exploit their privilege bad? If it is possible for there to be good women or or good Jews, than there can be more good.

I applaud the fact you've actually created a dialogue and something to consider however.

>>2436343
How does socialism fix alienation? Why is it fixed if the party or "the adminstration of things" separates you from your product? Seems like more of a complaint about industrial production.

>>2436096
For Marx progressive was not "good" it just meant humans had more control of nature, themselves, more economic intercourse, etc. Engels first got on Marx's radar by writing about how the English industrial worker was living through hell and in many ways worse off than peasants. Marx wrote about how yeoman farmers in America were more independent than factory workers. And he wrote somewhere (I'd have to check my notes) about how science has reduced many to inhuman conditions, but has also paved the way for liberation. It's dialectical, you see (huehue).

It's stuff like that why Ellul called Marx the industrial system's last, best defender who justified it to the workers.

Nah. Revolution is simple. If you kill your enemies you win. All you have to do is kill the bourgeois to get socialism. If human nature stops socialism, kill human nature.

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>>2436892
Based. "Morals" and "pacifism" are bourgeoisie propaganda to defang the proletariats

>>2436892
Feudal anti-monarchist mindset that doen't work against capitalism

>>2436096
I like your edgy doomerism. Keep making threads like this one so i can indulge in my despair and nihilistic fatalism

>>2436343
Why the fuck would I want to be stuck with all the steel I am producing? It’s already hard enough to produce the steel I don’t want to be responsible for selling it too

>>2437778
Fuck steel yo

>>2437782
I like my job it just needs to pay more and have paid sick and parental leave

>>2437786
Whats so likeable about producing steel? What are you a hunk big manly man? Fuck you

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English civil war? Didn't happen. Calling of the estates-general? Fake news. October revolution? We made this one up.

>>2437786
I hate metallurgists. May an oxygen converter blow up and give you burns you labor aristokkkrat industrial worker

>>2437788
Nah I’m a fat alcoholic retard, I like that it’s automated enough but also niche that labor is somewhat scarce so once you’re in it’s pretty secure. It’s probably going to get fucked by trade war but I already have 4 years experience already.

>>2437799
It’s argon and propane tanks

>>2437803
And argon and propane steel converter? It blows those gasses to pig iron?

>>2437800
Well you are probably physically fit

>>2436096
>carb heavy unlike muh ketogenic peasant (the good ol' days of serfdom) food
All I needed to read to dismiss you as a pol tourist.


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