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What is meant by "the withering away of the state"?
Why should it ever happen?
What does "the state" even mean here? No more courts? No more police force? Army? idgi

>What does "the state" even mean here?
Go read
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>No more courts?
Yeah
>No more police force?
Yeah
>Army?
Yeah
>What is meant by "the withering away of the state"?
>Why should it ever happen?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

>>2440702
This says that the state will just become an apparatus of economic planning. It doesn't say WHY tough.

>“The whole talk about the state should be dropped, especially since the Commune, which was no longer a state in the proper sense of the word. The “people’s state” has been thrown in our faces by the anarchists too long, although Marx’s book against Proudhon and later The Communist Manifesto directly declare that with the introduction of the socialist order of society the state will of itself dissolve and disappear. As, therefore, the “state” is only a transitory institution which is used in the struggle, in the revolution, in order to hold down [niederzuhalten] one’s adversaries by force, it is pure nonsense to talk of a “free people’s state”; so long as the proletariat still uses the state, it does not use it in the interests of freedom but in order to hold down its adversaries, and as soon as it becomes possible to speak of freedom, the state as such ceases to exist. We would therefore propose to replace the word “state” everywhere by the word Gemeinwesen [community], a good old German word, which can very well represent the French word commune.” - Friedrich Engels to August Bebel; London, March 18-28, 1875

>>2440719
because the purpose of a state is to uphold class rule through violence

no classes = no need for a state

violence will be done differently under communism

In context the withering of the state refers to the aspects which benefit the bourgeoisie at the expense of the proletariat and the institutions associated with it. It doesn’t literally mean there’s going to be a point where there’s no more state

>>2440719
>The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

>>2440719
>This says that the state will just become an apparatus of economic planning. It doesn't say WHY tough.
Marxists believe that "politics" as such generally exists because of conflicts between classes, and the state emerges from this and becomes a machine for one class to repress another. The state must ultimately take a side. But if there's no sustained, general antagonism between people then their conflicts don't necessarily become political. Conflicts will still exist, but they will be mostly the problems of those people directly involved, and not social problems that require the state to intervene. Marxists then believe that there's a process to move from class society to classlessness, and therefore statelessness in more and more domains other than managing production. Engels put it: "The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production."

But that process is where all the controversies arise and nobody has found a perfect model.

>>2440695
>What does "the state" even mean here? No more courts? No more police force? Army? idgi
More or less. This starts to get into "utopian" schemes and sci-fi utopias and Marxists don't like that. But realistically, I think there would be be organs for punishing crime. Like if there's a murderer who is going around biting people because he's insane, you need to have some way of stopping that person and preventing him from doing it again. But the control of the population would be very limited. Maybe you don't have any police, you just have very intelligent A.I. drones that fly around and zap him with a taser.

>>2440742
>you need to have some way of stopping that person and preventing him from doing it again
The proletariat

>>2440744
Would the proletariat even exist at that point? Just a thought.

>>2440746
No, they wouldn’t. They would just be communists at that point.

>>2440748
I'm not sure there would be communists either. There wouldn't be hammers and sickles stuck up on the sides of buildings. There would be no communist party. Because there would be no need for one. There would be no political domination or ideological intimidation or pressure at all, nor any economic relationships of exploitation.

>>2440749
>I'm not sure there would be communists either
Of course there would be. It’s communism.
>There would be no political domination
There would.

>>2440752
>Of course there would be. It’s communism.
No more political struggle for communism = no more communists. No party or ideology needed to advocate for it or build it. It's obsolete. Political labels have no purpose. People become free individuals. Even Marxism itself would probably be replaced by something more advanced than Marxism.

>There would.

Why would there be political domination in a community in which there are no hostile classes to repress? "Politics" as we know it would cease to exist. The idea that there must be a ruling class or coercive state force is not eternal or natural. It arises in societies divided by class antagonisms. Well I picture it as kind of like a Chinese sci-fi movie but I admit that I'm utopian.

>>2440761
>No more political struggle for communism = no more communists
Communists do not need political struggle to exist.
>No party or ideology
The ideology would remain. There is no reason for it to be obsolete.
>Political labels have no purpose.
Ignorance shelters none. Political labels will continue to be used well beyond the abolishment of capitalism.
>Even Marxism itself would probably be replaced by something more advanced than Marxism
I do not see that.
>Why would there be political domination in a community in which there are no hostile classes to repress
I actually retract my statement here. I meant to refer to ideological pressure.

>>2440742
i think it's also because they're operating on the flawed assumption that the state magically withers away, as if simply because capitalism has ceased to exist, the state would too, the problem is you can't abolish capitalism without abolishing the state, and you can't abolish the state without abolishing capitalism, thus they have to be simultaneous, this has been proven by the fact that all proletarian revolutions up until this point have simply degenerated into a social democracy, either because capitalism wasn't developed enough, or because of a programmatic error, you must immediately replace the mode of production simultaneous to a political revolution, is the lesson of the 21st century

>>2440695
The state arises from the irreconcilability of social classes in a class society, where one class oppresses another to maintain its domination. This state entity, which is separate from society, represses and creates methods of pacifying the masses through the contradictions between private property owners and those without property, and against other property owners.

The state begins to wither when the conditions of the contradictions create the state begins to disappear. This is achieved with the dictatorship of the proletariat, which, by socializing the economy and abolishing private property, the anarchy of production, social classes, money, and other contradictions, is no longer a separate organization of workers to maintain the dictatorship of the proletariat in full communism and with global socialist hegemony.

Let's begin with a quote from this process:

<By increasingly transforming the great majority of the population into proletarians, the capitalist mode of production creates the force which, under penalty of its own destruction, is compelled to accomplish this revolution. By increasingly driving towards the transformation of the vast socialized means of production into state property, it itself points the way to the accomplishment of this revolution. The proletariat seizes state power and to begin with transforms the means of production into state property. But it thus puts an end to itself as proletariat, it thus puts an end to all class differences and class antagonisms, and thus also to the state as state. Moving in class antagonisms, society up to now had need of the state, that is, an organization of the exploiting class at each period for the maintenance of its external conditions of production, that is, particularly for the forcible holding down of the exploited class in the conditions of oppression (slavery, villeinage or serfdom, wage-labour) given by the existing mode of production. The state was the official representative of the whole of society, its concentration in a visible body, but it was so only in so far as it was the state of that class which in its time represented the whole of society: in antiquity, the state of the slave-owning citizens, in the Middle Ages of the feudal nobility, in our time, of the bourgeoisie. When ultimately it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself superfluous. As soon as there is no social class to be held in subjection any longer, as soon as class domination and the struggle for individual existence based on the anarchy of production existing up to now are eliminated together with the collisions and excesses arising from them, there is nothing more to repress, nothing necessitating a special repressive force, a state. The first act in which the state really comes forward as the representative of the whole of society – the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society – is at the same time its last independent act as a state. The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then dies away of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away. It is by this that one must evaluate the phrase "a free people's state" with respect both to its temporary agitational justification and to its ultimate scientific inadequacy, and it is by this that we must also evaluate the demand of the so called anarchists that the state should be abolished overnight.


<Frederick Engels, 1877, Anti-Dühring

Herr Eugen Dühring's Revolution in Science, Part III: Socialism, Chapter 2: Theoretical.

http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/AD78iii.html

Arguments over production and distribution won't go away, which is the basis of politics. Even with magic Star Trek technology the antagonism would move to social attention and peacocking. Even now we see attention is the lifeblood of the digital world.

Don't forget cults and wannabe warlords. Not everyone will be happy living in the society of the last man.

marx's conception of the "whithering" away of the state is very similar to benito ᴉuᴉlossnW's idea of totalitarianism:
>"Everything within the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State"
https://bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/2012/03/speech-of-ascension-may-26-1927.html?m=1
where as marx writes in the manifesto, the political character of the state only exists as long as there is class antagonism, but if the state has a total claim over society, there cannot be those within or without, and so all is subsumed within its collective existence:
>When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class. In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
so to marx, the state simply transforms itself from politics toward administration, yet is indefinitely retained nonetheless. marx is not libertarian.

>>2440695
>What is meant by "the withering away of the state"?
Nothing. It's a hand wave because Marx failed refused to consider the state question sufficiently.
>Why should it ever happen?
Well the idea is that communism is supposed to be stateless, but Marxists generally think you need a state for lower-phase communism (or some call it socialism) but it's very much a case of:
1. Establish a dictatorship of the proletariat
2. ???
3. Profit! Communism!
>What does "the state" even mean here? No more courts? No more police force? Army? idgi
Marx and Engels couldn't even agree with themselves about what a state is. Meanwhile anarchists never had a problem defining one.

>No more courts?
No
>No more police force?
No
>Army?
Maybe

>>2440765
>I do not see that.
I don't know but I think it follows that Marxism will eventually die out. Mao thought so.

<All individual and all specific things have their births, development, and deaths. Every person must die, because he was born. Man must die, and Chang San [i.e., any Tom, Dick or Harry] being a man, Chang San must die. None can see Confucius who lived 2,000 years ago, because he had to die. Mankind is born, and therefore mankind must also die. The earth was born, and so the earth must also die. Nonetheless, when we say that mankind will die and the earth will die, it is different from what Christians say about the end of the world. When we talk about the death of mankind and the death of the earth, we mean that something more advanced than mankind will come to replace it, and this is a higher stage in the development of things. I saw that Marxism also has its birth, its development and its death. This may seem to be absurd. But since Marx said that all things which happen have their death, how can we say that this is not applicable to Marxism itself? To say that it won’t die is metaphysics. Naturally, the death of Marxism means that something higher than Marxism will come to replace it.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-9/mswv9_28.htm

>>2440955
ᴉuᴉlossnW wanted to decrease the state's role in the economy while increase it everywhere else.

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more on marxist totalitarianism:
>Yet what is here already very plainly expressed is the idea of the future conversion of political rule over men into an administration of things and a direction of processes of production – that is to say, the “abolition of the state”, about which recently there has been so much noise.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch01.htm
this is a supplement to marx's comments in the manifesto, that the conversion of the state from a political, to an economic entity entails the erection of an "administration of things" (which to engels signifies its "abolition", whilst if course, preserving its power). the notion of an administration of things was allegedly first advocated by utopian socialist henri de saint-simon. we can, without exaggeration therefore, see that the marxist concept of the state is as a business, which forcibly de-politicises citizens and treats them only as economic units. looks like things are going to plan!

>>2441008
>but I think it follows that Marxism will eventually die out
There’s no reason for it to die out.
>Mao thought so.
Of course he would
>Mankind is born, and therefore mankind must also die. The earth was born, and so the earth must also die
Of course he said this
>To say that it won’t die is metaphysics
And yet they presume it will at the same time.

Ancom is kinda redundant now that I think about it. Communism is achieved after the withering of the state, so communism is neccessarily anarcho-communism.

>>2441181
Communism is communism

>>2441181
I don't think anyone would disagree about it being redundant except for Ancoms; they're very passionate about the methods through which stateless-communism are achieved

>>2440727


I always was under the impression thats where the "wither away" position originated from. If the state is the product of class antagonism it would follow the only sure way to get rid of it is class antagonism. However (I suppose this is where the marx bakunin split happens) the wither away crowd suggests this process will not happen all at once as a clean break but unevenly and at different times.

You’re always going to have domestic violence and mental illness and antisocial personalities, so there will always be a need for police and other actors outside of any given family unit no matter its structure

>>2441196
Only the proletariat will protect themselves. Slave catchers will be abolished wholesale.

>>2441197
So you’re just returning to lynch mobs to solve every interlersonal issue

>>2441199
No, we are not. And it’s not like the police haven’t demonstrated their flaws sufficiently. If you can’t trust the proletariat to manage themselves without a higher authority, you will forever be stuck in this mode of production.

>>2440992
The process of the withering away of the state is quite easy to understand if you understand the state as a special separate entity from society for one class to oppress another and sustain the domination of a ruling social class through the irreconcilability of the antagonisms of a class society. This is why the trajectory of the abolition of the state would see the formation of popular councils and dual power to overthrow the exploiting classes of capitalist society and install the proletarian democracy of the dictatorship of the proletariat that will already equalize the salaries of union workers and government officials with the average salary of workers to avoid betrayals in not wanting to fight to win together. With the dictatorship of the proletariat consolidating power in a country, the expropriation and disarmament of counterrevolutionaries, capitalists, landowners, financial market speculators, and agents dependent on the maintenance of capitalism will be carried out to socialize the economy as quickly as possible so that the socialist state becomes self-sufficient, with a society that possesses technological, food, energy, financial, etc. sovereignty, and with control of all means of production so as not to depend on market profit. With this, communism in its low stage is achieved, but the state will exist to protect collective public property against sabotage and maintain the political domination of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Here, the withering of the state will only come with global socialist hegemony to eliminate the contradictions of the imperialist threat. Workers will have to have discipline and be educated to organize collective property to serve the needs of workers in economic planning. The contradictions between city and countryside, between manual labor and skilled intellectual labor, need to be resolved. There must be a surplus. in what is produced for the workers to receive fully each according to their abilities and needs rather than according to the work, where only after all this occurs that the withering away of the dictatorship of the proletariat will be realized where there will no longer be this separation with the armed workers organizing themselves collectively.

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Humans will build communism, Robots will inhabit it. Robots have no need for a state.

>>2441196
We can't figure out any solution to this even 400,000 years from now?

>>2441393
That's just replacement theory with extra steps and robots

>>2441323
Every living being should be "police" to exterminate everything nonconforming, every "police" should have no will of its own and be subserviently to the AI overlord.

The more I read Marx and Engels, the more I come to think that it never actually had any real meaning to begin with; a vague notion that felt interesting in one of their heads, but was never actually developed into anything of substance.

I find it frustrating that they get all the credit for communism, because, in my mind, they were really just the stepping stone between Hegal and Lenin. They insist that they're scientists, but their writings are full of a kind of obnoxious obscurantism that's decidedly philosophical in flavor. As demonstrated by this thread, we don't discuss their writings the basis of scientific merit, we discuss them like they're holy books, where if we only knew what they were truly attempting to communicate, we would be enlightened.

>>2453070
That's because what you think of as "science" is a castrated positivist zombie formulated precisely as a bourgeois response to marxism.

Google Wëssenschaft

>>2453079
>That's because what you think of as "science" is a castrated positivist zombie formulated precisely as a bourgeois response to marxism.
Maybe. My notion of "science" is definitely informed, in part (but definitely not in whole) by the likes of Karl Popper and Bertrand Russell, neither of which was a friend of communism.

With that said, my opposition to Marx and Engels' writings isn't that they're insufficiently falsifiable, it's that it's insufficiently meaningful. If you read anything by Lenin, Mao, Stalin, etc, it's very clear what they're trying to say, and when people argue about them, it's over the validity of the statements, not what the statements themselves mean. Marx and Engels, on the other hand, need to be interpreted like the goddamn Bible.

>Google Wëssenschaft

I know what wissenschaft is. It's a word that's frequently translated to "science", but they don't actually mean the same thing. A better equivalent, in terms of meaning, is probably "intellectualism" although it's easier to swap "science" in when translating. Nietzche also did wissenschaft, he wrote a whole book called Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (known in English as The Gay Science), but scarcely anyone considers anything he wrote to be scientific.

>>2453136
>>2453136
> If you read anything by Lenin, Mao, Stalin, etc, it's very clear what they're trying to say, and when people argue about them, it's over the validity of the statements, not what the statements themselves mean. Marx and Engels, on the other hand, need to be interpreted like the goddamn Bible.
>Mao
>clear what they're trying to say, and when people argue about them
Are you serious? I can't read any Chinese writing in English as anything but like haiku or the Tao Te Ching or some shit. I can never find a clear thought in anything I've ever read from them.

>>2440695
Neoliberalism

>>2453148
>I can never find a clear thought in anything I've ever read from them.
Combat Liberalism alone is one of the clearest pieces of writing I've ever seen, so I cannot relate to you there.

>>2453156
It's so fucking short, like Haiku, let's post the whole thing. (I missed a >)

>We stand for active ideological struggle because it is the weapon for ensuring unity within the Party and the revolutionary organizations in the interest of our fight. Every Communist and revolutionary should take up this weapon.


>But liberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration in certain units and individuals in the Party and the revolutionary organizations.


>Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.


>To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.


>To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.


>To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.


>Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.


>To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.


>To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.


>To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.


>To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.


>To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along–"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.


>To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.


>To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.


>We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.


>They are all manifestations of liberalism.


>Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension. It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency.


>Liberalism stems from petty-bourgeois selfishness, it places personal interests first and the interests of the revolution second, and this gives rise to ideological, political and organizational liberalism.


>People who are liberals look upon the principles of Marxism as abstract dogma. They approve of Marxism, but are not prepared to practice it or to practice it in full; they are not prepared to replace their liberalism by Marxism. These people have their Marxism, but they have their liberalism as well–they talk Marxism but practice liberalism; they apply Marxism to others but liberalism to themselves. They keep both kinds of goods in stock and find a use for each. This is how the minds of certain people work.


>Liberalism is a manifestation of opportunism and conflicts fundamentally with Marxism. It is negative and objectively has the effect of helping the enemy; that is why the enemy welcomes its preservation in our midst. Such being its nature, there should be no place for it in the ranks of the revolution.


>We must use Marxism, which is positive in spirit, to overcome liberalism, which is negative. A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any private person, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist.


>All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.

>>2453162
Has anyone ever made a graphic about the 11 types of liberalism? I never knew before today that Mao proposed 11 types of liberalism because none of you maoist faggots ever mentioned it and I've never read anything by mao that ever inspired me to read anything else.

Moving from the administration of people to the administration of things. Not that there stops being bodies for organizing social activity, but that the purpose of a state, class domination, is no longer present. It's kind of a definitional thing, but it describes this concept

>>2440769
>the flawed assumption that the state magically withers away
>>2440992
>2. ???
>>2440695
>Why should it ever happen?
productive forces

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm#s4

>>2441197
Will that not unfold into erecting organizations or institutions meant to train and employ people for such tasks?

Additionally, wouldn‘t there be laws, courts and police needed to maintain whatever societal order proles find best? If the answer is no because “proles will manage for themselves” isn‘t that just limiting yourself to a poorer organization of those tasks as opposed to having designated institutions?

Marx continues:

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces have increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly–only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois law be left behind in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Only now can we fully appreciate the correctness of Engels' remarks mercilessly ridiculing the absurdity of combining the words “freedom” and “state”. So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state.

The economic basis for the complete withering away of the state is such a high state of development of communism at which the antithesis between mental and physical labor disappears, at which there consequently disappears one of the principal sources of modern social inequality–a source, moreover, which cannot on any account be removed immediately by the mere conversion of the means of production into public property, by the mere expropriation of the capitalists.

This expropriation will make it possible for the productive forces to develop to a tremendous extent. And when we see how incredibly capitalism is already retarding this development, when we see how much progress could be achieved on the basis of the level of technique already attained, we are entitled to say with the fullest confidence that the expropriation of the capitalists will inevitably result in an enormous development of the productive forces of human society. But how rapidly this development will proceed, how soon it will reach the point of breaking away from the division of labor, of doing away with the antithesis between mental and physical labor, of transforming labor into "life's prime want"–we do not and cannot know.

That is why we are entitled to speak only of the inevitable withering away of the state, emphasizing the protracted nature of this process and its dependence upon the rapidity of development of the higher phase of communism, and leaving the question of the time required for, or the concrete forms of, the withering away quite open, because there is no material for answering these questions.

The state will be able to wither away completely when society adopts the rule: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", i.e., when people have become so accustomed to observing the fundamental rules of social intercourse and when their labor has become so productive that they will voluntarily work according to their ability. "The narrow horizon of bourgeois law", which compels one to calculate with the heartlessness of a Shylock whether one has not worked half an hour more than anybody else–this narrow horizon will then be left behind. There will then be no need for society, in distributing the products, to regulate the quantity to be received by each; each will take freely "according to his needs".

From the bourgeois point of view, it is easy to declare that such a social order is "sheer utopia" and to sneer at the socialists for promising everyone the right to receive from society, without any control over the labor of the individual citizen, any quantity of truffles, cars, pianos, etc. Even to this day, most bourgeois “savants” confine themselves to sneering in this way, thereby betraying both their ignorance and their selfish defence of capitalism.

Ignorance–for it has never entered the head of any socialist to “promise” that the higher phase of the development of communism will arrive; as for the greatest socialists' forecast that it will arrive, it presupposes not the present ordinary run of people, who, like the seminary students in Pomyalovsky's stories,[2] are capable of damaging the stocks of public wealth "just for fun", and of demanding the impossible.

Until the “higher” phase of communism arrives, the socialists demand the strictest control by society and by the state over the measure of labor and the measure of consumption; but this control must start with the expropriation of the capitalists, with the establishment of workers' control over the capitalists, and must be exercised not by a state of bureaucrats, but by a state of armed workers.

The selfish defence of capitalism by the bourgeois ideologists (and their hangers-on, like the Tseretelis, Chernovs, and Co.) consists in that they substitute arguing and talk about the distant future for the vital and burning question of present-day politics, namely, the expropriation of the capitalists, the conversion of all citizens into workers and other employees of one huge “syndicate”–the whole state–and the complete subordination of the entire work of this syndicate to a genuinely democratic state, the state of the Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies.

In fact, when a learned professor, followed by the philistine, followed in turn by the Tseretelis and Chernovs, talks of wild utopias, of the demagogic promises of the Bolsheviks, of the impossibility of “introducing” socialism, it is the higher stage, or phase, of communism he has in mind, which no one has ever promised or even thought to “introduce”, because, generally speaking, it cannot be “introduced”.

And this brings us to the question of the scientific distinction between socialism and communism which Engels touched on in his above-quoted argument about the incorrectness of the name "Social-Democrat". Politically, the distinction between the first, or lower, and the higher phase of communism will in time, probably, be tremendous. But it would be ridiculous to recognize this distinction now, under capitalism, and only individual anarchists, perhaps, could invest it with primary importance (if there still are people among the anarchists who have learned nothing from the “Plekhanov” conversion of the Kropotkins, of Grave, Corneliseen, and other “stars” of anarchism into social- chauvinists or "anarcho-trenchists", as Ghe, one of the few anarchists who have still preserved a sense of humor and a conscience, has put it).

But the scientific distinction between socialism and communism is clear. What is usually called socialism was termed by Marx the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society. Insofar as the means of production becomes common property, the word “communism” is also applicable here, providing we do not forget that this is not complete communism. The great significance of Marx's explanations is that here, too, he consistently applies materialist dialectics, the theory of development, and regards communism as something which develops out of capitalism. Instead of scholastically invented, “concocted” definitions and fruitless disputes over words (What is socialism? What is communism?), Marx gives an analysis of what might be called the stages of the economic maturity of communism.

In its first phase, or first stage, communism cannot as yet be fully mature economically and entirely free from traditions or vestiges of capitalism. Hence the interesting phenomenon that communism in its first phase retains "the narrow horizon of bourgeois law". Of course, bourgeois law in regard to the distribution of consumer goods inevitably presupposes the existence of the bourgeois state, for law is nothing without an apparatus capable of enforcing the observance of the rules of law.

It follows that under communism there remains for a time not only bourgeois law, but even the bourgeois state, without the bourgeoisie!

This may sound like a paradox or simply a dialectical conundrum of which Marxism is often accused by people who have not taken the slightest trouble to study its extraordinarily profound content.

But in fact, remnants of the old, surviving in the new, confront us in life at every step, both in nature and in society. And Marx did not arbitrarily insert a scrap of “bourgeois” law into communism, but indicated what is economically and politically inevitable in a society emerging out of the womb of capitalism.

Democracy means equality. The great significance of the proletariat's struggle for equality and of equality as a slogan will be clear if we correctly interpret it as meaning the abolition of classes. But democracy means only formal equality. And as soon as equality is achieved for all members of society in relation to ownership of the means of production, that is, equality of labor and wages, humanity will inevitably be confronted with the question of advancing further from formal equality to actual equality, i.e., to the operation of the rule "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". By what stages, by means of what practical measures humanity will proceed to this supreme aim we do not and cannot know. But it is important to realize how infinitely mendacious is the ordinary bourgeois conception of socialism as something lifeless, rigid, fixed once and for all, whereas in reality only socialism will be the beginning of a rapid, genuine, truly mass forward movement, embracing first the majority and then the whole of the population, in all spheres of public and private life.

Democracy is of enormous importance to the working class in its struggle against the capitalists for its emancipation. But democracy is by no means a boundary not to be overstepped; it is only one of the stages on the road from feudalism to capitalism, and from capitalism to communism.

Democracy is a form of the state, it represents, on the one hand, the organized, systematic use of force against persons; but, on the other hand, it signifies the formal recognition of equality of citizens, the equal right of all to determine the structure of, and to administer, the state. This, in turn, results in the fact that, at a certain stage in the development of democracy, it first welds together the class that wages a revolutionary struggle against capitalism–the proletariat, and enables it to crush, smash to atoms, wipe off the face of the earth the bourgeois, even the republican-bourgeois, state machine, the standing army, the police and the bureaucracy and to substitute for them a more democratic state machine, but a state machine nevertheless, in the shape of armed workers who proceed to form a militia involving the entire population.

Here "quantity turns into quality": such a degree of democracy implies overstepping the boundaries of bourgeois society and beginning its socialist reorganization. If really all take part in the administration of the state, capitalism cannot retain its hold. The development of capitalism, in turn, creates the preconditions that enable really “all” to take part in the administration of the state. Some of these preconditions are: universal literacy, which has already been achieved in a number of the most advanced capitalist countries, then the "training and disciplining" of millions of workers by the huge, complex, socialized apparatus of the postal service, railways, big factories, large-scale commerce, banking, etc., etc.

Given these economic preconditions, it is quite possible, after the overthrow of the capitalists and the bureaucrats, to proceed immediately, overnight, to replace them in the control over production and distribution, in the work of keeping account of labor and products, by the armed workers, by the whole of the armed population. (The question of control and accounting should not be confused with the question of the scientifically trained staff of engineers, agronomists, and so on. These gentlemen are working today in obedience to the wishes of the capitalists and will work even better tomorrow in obedience to the wishes of the armed workers.)

Accounting and control–that is mainly what is needed for the "smooth working", for the proper functioning, of the first phase of communist society. All citizens are transformed into hired employees of the state, which consists of the armed workers. All citizens becomes employees and workers of a single countrywide state “syndicate”. All that is required is that they should work equally, do their proper share of work, and get equal pay; the accounting and control necessary for this have been simplified by capitalism to the utmost and reduced to the extraordinarily simple operations–which any literate person can perform–of supervising and recording, knowledge of the four rules of arithmetic, and issuing appropriate receipts.[1]

When the majority of the people begin independently and everywhere to keep such accounts and exercise such control over the capitalists (now converted into employees) and over the intellectual gentry who preserve their capitalist habits, this control will really become universal, general, and popular; and there will be no getting away from it, there will be "nowhere to go".

The whole of society will have become a single office and a single factory, with equality of labor and pay.

But this “factory” discipline, which the proletariat, after defeating the capitalists, after overthrowing the exploiters, will extend to the whole of society, is by no means our ideal, or our ultimate goal. It is only a necessary step for thoroughly cleansing society of all the infamies and abominations of capitalist exploitation, and for further progress.

From the moment all members of society, or at least the vast majority, have learned to administer the state themselves, have taken this work into their own hands, have organized control over the insignificant capitalist minority, over the gentry who wish to preserve their capitalist habits and over the workers who have been thoroughly corrupted by capitalism–from this moment the need for government of any kind begins to disappear altogether. The more complete the democracy, the nearer the moment when it becomes unnecessary. The more democratic the “state” which consists of the armed workers, and which is "no longer a state in the proper sense of the word", the more rapidly every form of state begins to wither away.

For when all have learned to administer and actually to independently administer social production, independently keep accounts and exercise control over the parasites, the sons of the wealthy, the swindlers and other "guardians of capitalist traditions", the escape from this popular accounting and control will inevitably become so incredibly difficult, such a rare exception, and will probably be accompanied by such swift and severe punishment (for the armed workers are practical men and not sentimental intellectuals, and they scarcely allow anyone to trifle with them), that the necessity of observing the simple, fundamental rules of the community will very soon become a habit.

Then the door will be thrown wide open for the transition from the first phase of communist society to its higher phase, and with it to the complete withering away of the state.


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