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Let's assume a scenario where Gaza is done, where resistance is over and Islamic national liberation is out of the question. Muslims are subservient to Israel (cucked) or eradicated wholly, what comes next? What is to come if Israel has had its way? Some people believe that the workers in the US can organize for a revolution while others call for the US to be destroyed entirely and indiscriminately, what should be expected out of a Post-Genocide Israel?

One might think they will invade the other nations in the region, but lets assume they already have, lets assume its all done already, what is the response? Calling for national liberation? There are no militants for it. Calling for equal rights? There is no movement for it, most people having become contempt with the situation. It's a scenario where Islamic resistance groups have been destroyed altogether or integrated (cucked) into subservience.

Would it be better to try to organize within Israel for class warfare or would it be better to continue to call for its destruction despite no one (no nation) even being at war with it? I mean if you believe in organizing workers in the West (subservient to the US) then it wouldn't make sense to see Israel as an exception unless you believe in the total destruction of the West (and its inhabitants). The latter of which is just an unlikely scenario, no different from wishing for a nuclear war which may or may not come, but also somehow believing that a nuclear war is survivable.

>>2441920
>to call for its destruction
(wholly, indiscriminately, thoroughly)

israel then acts as a permanent knife in the side of the Arab world, never allowing any re-emergence of the Arab civilization on the world stage. The ongoing 600 years of Arab Humiliation will become permanent.

>>2441920
the solution is really obvious, easy and straightforward. it's simply that the average far leftard (along with liberals) has the same kind of retardation MIGAshitters have towards "antisemitism".

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And NGL I feel like at this rate all of the Palestinian resistance groups will eventually surrender or die out. They don't have enough aid to continue fighting whereas Israel has the backing of the US and Europe. Their only chance is if Israel itself becomes unstable and enters a civil war I guess.

>>2441923
MIGAshitters are fullthroated supporters of genocide and simply call any resistance to the genocide "antisemitism" which they use as code word for anti-zionism. Actual leftards are against nazi retards who are genuine anti-semites, as in they hate jews, think capitalism would be fine if jews were all dead, but don't mind when jews kill "mudslimes". That is the nazi mindset. fuck everyone but white aryan europeans. "leftard" opposition to "antisemitism" is really just hesitation to be seen as supporting actual nazis, which do still exist, but in preverted twisted forms. Like the ones in Ukraine, who are self-hating slavic uncle ruckuses that desperately want to be in NATO despite being seen as goons and stooges by NATO countries.

>>2441926
OR direct involvement from Russia or China which is very unlikely outside of humanitarian aid Imo.

>>2441923
>Arab civilization
The Arab League are all US collaborators and have their spotlight at the "world stage" as such.

>>2441929
Minus Yemen and Somalia I guess.

>>2441928
You might as well hope for God to send in the Horsemen of the Apocalypse if that's what you're banking on.

>>2441929
That's what I'm saying. All of the Arab states are petty nationalists who spit on the idea of Arab Unity, even though that's a pre-requisite to any potential great Arab cultural resurgence.

>>2441938
>Pan-Arabism
>Pan-Slavism
>Pan-Germanism
>Pan-Turkism
>Pan-Africanism

So… what happens next?

>>2441944
The Ganges River overflows with the sperm of Indian men and causes flooding

>>2441920
The Isreal gets to move onto the "American scenario" state of affairs where all of its crimes gets excused and any idea of retribution is written off because "it happened in the past" and "come on we can punish those innocent people THEY didn't do any colonialism". So as a result Isreal gets to continue its cancerous existence just like the USA. Israel sees how no one is allowed to advocate for even minor Native american land redistribution in the US without being called crazy and wants to reach the same point. Basically getting to a point where its "reverse genocide" to remove the settlers because to much time has past.

Israel's existence is predicated on the whims of the Western superpowers which created and ultimately control it. Israel is not a sovereign nation so much as it is a vassal to the United States, an important financial investment and a strategic foothold in the Middle East that the U.S. would like to hold on to. Netanyahu and his party are just useful stooges who are being allowed to carry out their ethnic cleansing campaign because it is profitable for the U.S. military industry and it's no skin off America's ass if a bunch of brown people get wiped off the face of the Earth. But every empire begins to fall apart sooner or later, and when Israel's existence ceases to be useful to America then I imagine it's bye bye Israel.

>>2442005
Assuming they are successful in cleansing both Gaza and the West Bank they’re not going to be satiated, eventually they will force the US to choose between Egypt and Jordan and an even Greater Israel. The US pours a similar amount of foreign aid to Egypt as it does for Israel in dollar amounts though said dollars go a lot further in Israel as it’s a smaller country (for now).

Hamas is winning the war, all they have to do is survive and the Zionists have failed to pacify even a centimeter of Gaza

>>2442019
Posts like this really demonstrate how the Greater Israel meme is just internet cope to pretend that the Israel-loving states of Egypt or Jordan will come to the aid of the Palestinians ANY DAY NOW.

>>2442005
I don't know what universe you live in, but in the real world the United States is going to continue being a world superpower for the foreseeable future, even if not the only one.

>>2442022
It’s not at all that the Jordanian or Egyptian governments care about Palestinians or Lebanese or Syrians but the Israelis will desire their land as they need to keep expanding to displace class and sectarian conflict.

>>2442024
The US navy just got humiliated by Ansar Allah, they’re all going to die off the coast of Taiwan

>>2442025
That's what I'm saying. You're coping about the relationship between Egypt and Jordan and Israel by pretending as though they will be forced to come to the rescue any second now. As though Israel is ignorant to how those two being collaborators is necessary for its existence. You think for whatever stupid reason that the Israelis are not keenly aware of their geopolitical position and behave accordingly to it.

>>2442027
Rational, geopolitically minded Israelis are not the ones in the government, it’s dominated by Haredim and full blown Kachists. The internal conflict between what Ilhan Pape calls the State of Israel and the State of Judea is already playing out and the State of Judea is winning. Religious psychos are not going to care that Egyptians outnumber them 10 to 1.

>>2442025
>displace class and sectarian conflict.
Israel is not ethnosupremacist because the bourgeoisie wants to play off the proletariat. The Palestinians are not just being kept at low wages to produce everything for the Israelis, as it was in South Africa. They are being wholly gotten rid of to make way for a whole new people, not just owners, but even new workers.
And the Israeli proletariat has their own independent trade unions and everything. Israel is not a fascist state, it's a bourgeois democratic state. Its genociding Palestinians not because it's in some deep crisis and needs a scapegoat, but rather because the society is in agreement and is functioning smoothly.

>>2442031
I’m in agreement with you, Israel is very much trying to replicate the trajectory of the US with manifest destiny. They want to drive every Arab in the world to the sea if possible.

>>2442029
>Rational, geopolitically minded Israelis are not the ones in the government
Then why have they been succeeding at fucking everything? Seriously, if they're so irrational and crazy, why are all of their exploits in Syria, Lebanon, Iran, etc all working out for them? Just pure luck? They've been bumbling around for all these years and are not actually rational, but have been constantly increasing their hold on Syria and Lebanon, and assassinated several Iranian leaders for basically 0 consequences aside from that Israeli hitting her head on the street sign? Please.

>>2442036
They haven’t hollowed out their intelligence services or bureaucracies quite yet, will probably be soon with the amount of brain drain since 10/7

>>2442036
NTA but previous hyper aggressive hyper reactionary states like imperial japan or nazi germany were able to do shit for years without consequence, I could see israel reaching its operation barbarossa moment one day

>>2442038
Gaza is already their Stalingrad, right down to getting blown up by their own unexploded ordinances and Hamas using rubble as cover the same way the Red Army did

>>2442033
Zionist Manifest Destiny is specifically targeted toward Palestine. That was the understanding ever since the Zionist project first eyed the Arab World in the 1800s. That it would settle specifically Palestine and be secured by the Western powers to act as a base to enforce subjugation of the remainder of West Asia.
Palestine=Settlement
Remainder of West Asia=Subjugation, militarily, politically

>>2442042
Settlements in southern Lebanon and Syria say otherwise

>>2442041
I don't think most people who are even paying attention to the conflict realize how many casualties the IDF is taking, largely because they're actively covering it up. The schism over drafting the ultra-orthodox Jews is a sign of how badly it's going. Even if they manage to eliminate Gaza and the West Bank, they are not going to be in a position to expand further (which they have already started btw).

>>2442049
The fury of liberal Israelis against the ultra-orthodox for not being drafted is far older than oct7.

>let's assume a scenario where my line on natlib has been proven correct, what now?
How will MLoids ever recover

Calling for class warfare is exactly as meaningless as calling for national liberation. You either have the infrastructure to help make that happen or you don't. If you don't then this stuff is spectator sports. Nobody here does.

>>2441926
Iran will nuke Israel.

>>2442021
What "Hamas" currently exists? I keep hearing about how Hamas is regaining territory but have seen zero articles about it.

>>2442060
They're still doing attacks and releasing updates, including video updates sometimes.

>>2442055
Referring to the change where the ultra-orthodox were protesting being drafted

Whenever you see an Israeli anywhere, start throwing bricks. Also support the hind rihjab foundation to get these freaks in jail

>>2441920
>what comes next? What is to come if Israel has had its way?
Israel maintains a healthy kayfabe with Egypt , Jordan and Lebanon, all fully subservient to NATO, happy to performatively shake their fist at the "Zionist Entity". This keeps Zionism safe from itself. And the slow, humiliating assimilation of new Palestinian generations into self hating goys keeps the Israelis entertained. Without the UNRWA to uphold the refugee status and Palestinian identity at large, the Palestinians within Israel are slowly gonna be divided into two groups. The one's who don't get educated at all and become more easy preys for psyops. And the one's who do under the new regime of Palestinian erasure and Jewish supremacy. It'll take a few decades, but the process will be enrapturing for Israelis who see the dream of ex-muslim/goy slaves coming true.

…for a few decades while the cold war decides if Israel ges razed or not to protect the NATO interests in MENA.

Once the petrodollar and the trade routes are solidly controlled by the USA/NATO there is no need for Israel to move from the holding pattern of low seething Zionism. They have more than enough internal enemies to keep the movement alive for decades without having to reach other states for lebensraum. And the NATO compradors will oblige.

>>2442154
>Israel maintains a healthy kayfabe with Egypt , Jordan and Lebanon
They will absorb the last two, though.

>>2442061
Where?

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>>2441920
>Let's assume a scenario where Gaza is done, where resistance is over and Islamic national liberation is out of the question.
"no"

>>2442200
Telegram I assume, they're on liveuamap sometimes

>>2441920
>and Islamic national liberation
This is a bizarre framing. Islam is not a nation nor does anyone claim it to be, at least not in a Marxist sense. The nation in this case is Palestine. Arab is the ethnicity. Islam is the religious and cultural background of some Palestinians (not all).
>is out of the question
This is a pure fantasy that only serves zionism. There are very few genuine instances of a nation being so totally destroyed that national liberation struggle is genuinely no longer an option (Ainu, maybe?). The Palestinian struggle is a long way off from being defeated in this way.

>>2441920
If the jews manage to fully exterminate the palestinians they would go after the 48 palestinians within the zionist colony, then try to turn lebanon, syria and jordan into new palestines


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