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What should we do? Glownonymous 22-08-25 23:43:02 No.2443270

I want to argue with radlibs and petty bourgeois tendencies in "leftism", but in my country, all of the even slightly more left-wing than the norm spaces are operated by petty bourgeois anarchists and New Left people, and they would not accept fundamental critique of the errors of their ways
but at the moment, I think that is a fruitless task, when they focus on horizontalism and localism
apart from educating yourself on theory, what else can you do? I have only helped digitize a significant amount of Marxist works into the local language here, but that is only a small step forward

Anonymous 22-08-25 23:44:25 No.2443272

>>2443270
I dont want to argue with ultra retards who live in fantasy world. Waste of time.

Glownonymous 22-08-25 23:46:08 No.2443275

>>2443272
I don't even mean ultras. I mean people who are deep into bourgeois ideology (for example: their critique of the genocide in Palestine? it's breaking international law!) and various petty bourgeois and intellectual bullshit versions of socialism
I would critique them, but there are no such spaces to do so here, that are not controlled by them

Anonymous 22-08-25 23:48:17 No.2443277

>I want to argue with radlibs
Stop being a debate addict. Get off twitter. Restrict your social media to activitypub stuff only and use the resulting gaps in your schedule to go outside and organize.

Anonymous 22-08-25 23:48:29 No.2443278

>>2443275
Palestine situation has only value as an entry point to wider socialist thought. Its not a socialist revolution that demands 100% support but instead another liberal tragedy.

Glownonymous 22-08-25 23:50:42 No.2443280

>>2443278
I agree completely, but I wanted to show an example of bourgeois ideology in action
>>2443277
I think they are simply harmful to people who might be joining the movement

Anonymous 22-08-25 23:53:21 No.2443283

>>2443280
Of course but our aims are much higher than "just" preventing just one genocide we want to prevent them all ever existing with world socialism.

Glownonymous 22-08-25 23:58:47 No.2443286

>>2443283
for the truly communist people in those movements, I think that they think that, since (assuming) that a workers' revolution is not possible (at the moment), you should do anything you can to make life better in the meantime
I think that leads to people acting only within the bounds of the current bourgeois order and thus they really just become part of it
I do honestly think that critique of this is necessary, but I'm not sure how that would have to be published

Anonymous 23-08-25 00:00:15 No.2443290

>>2443280
>I think they are simply harmful to people who might be joining the movement
Then encourage people toward web revival stuff so they can't monopolize onboarding. No need to debate them, just get the people they might have influence over to touch digital grass and, and that whole worldview and network effect reinforcing it will break down on it's own.

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