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Recently I got thinking how market can be a bad form of resource allocation, somehow I think market aren't complete fair and square, something isn't right about how markets are, I think market socialism is kind of wrong in sense, what's the anon opinion on markets in general? Do you think is a good way to allocate resources or not? What's the alternative to markets?

>What's the alternative to markets?
Planning.

>2 people agree to trade something voluntarily
<GULAG!!

>>2446319
>MARKETS ARE… LE BAD ACTUALLY(?)
Not really. Private property is.

If there are better ways of coordinating production and distribution (which I would argue for majority of modern economy are), no reason to not use them. Vice versa, insistence of doing away with markets for purely ideological reasons is silly.

>>2446319
Markets lead to a Gibbs-Boltzmann distribution of wealth and therefore mechanically tend towards unequal outcomes

>>2446581
thats why redistribution exists

Humping


>>2446585
extremely unstable and precarious, redistribution implies that whoever is being taxed has extreme incentive to abolish the redistribution

>another navelgazing thread about each one's different favorite personal utopia
Get a better hobby.

>What's the alternative to markets?

>>2446872
Nobody said anything about utopia, schizo.

>Do you think is a good way to allocate resources or not? What's the alternative to markets?
where do you think you are, anon?

>>2446910
long and unwatcheable

>>2446319
>>2446963
>let's endlessly discuss what the ideal super duper efficient and fair and whatever future system will be
Goes to show communism isn't a necessity to you unsurprisingly because you're middle-class losers and can't even realize this yourselves despite allegedly reading Marx or whoever.

>>2446975
A bit unwatchable but not long at all (I hoped more from that good start), get off tiktok.

>>2447002
>middle class
Lmao

>>2446981
China still plans a lot of the economy through owning much of it. It's not necessarily as much as I might like but yeah.

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>>2447048
Maybe spend more time reading instead of fantasizing. :)

Pokemon card trading

> you can't actually think about how a post capitalistic society because that would be utopian

Retarded take

>>2447273
markets existed before capitalism, and its actually capital which restricts markets by accumulation.

Transitory states of affairs are fine, despite their shortcomings as long as its MY transitory state of affairs. Transitional states that AREN'T mine are BAD.

>>2447284
>my opinion good, opinions of others bad!

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>tfw you're a pro-market communist

The objective of Marxism, and Communism as a whole, is to end commodity production, the production of stuff whose sole purpose is to be bought and sold. Capitalism has perfected commodity production.

Markets came into being with the advent of commodity production, which also led to the division of labor. As a result, activities that we used to do in common became separate, trades were formed, and work was now external to our day-to-day lives. We started to make commodities, so that we could get something that a potential buyer was willing to give in return for the commodity that we are offering, we no longer produced in order to meet our needs.

The current market system (capitalism) creates competition between the working class, as labor power is a commodity that a worker needs to sell to the bourgeoisie in order to get wages, which has led to violence and hatred against immigrants and minorities, despite many of them being working class themselves! It has also led to innovate products being made, not for any real utility, but to do work in a much faster and productive way, to increase profit and to get ahead of the competition. The obsession with competition, when its at its highest, has lead to wages decreasing, workers being overworked or overworking themselves so that they can get a little bit more money that will be devalued when inflation inevitably increases, thus making them destroy their mental and physical health. And most obviously, the market system has led to many resources going to waste despite many people needing said resources. Economic crises' are no longer caused by droughts or any other ecological disaster, it is now entirely man made.

Communism seeks to abolish wage-labor, markets and work as we know it today. People will work together and distribute the fruits of their labor in common, people will meet up and create social links with each other as a result of trying to meet each others needs. This won't be implemented in some isolated hippie commune, it will be a international system.

The way in which this system will work and be enforced is still unknown, as we have not gotten that far, but some speculate that it will be done through computer systems. We already have the infrastructure for such a system (such as amazon, temu, ebay etc.), so such a proposition is not impossible, neither is it utopian.

Bump

The Marxist "no production for exchange under socialism" vs. the reformist "markets existed before capitalism, they'll exist after", who will win?

The reformist of course. Every time.

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>>2448081
>acting as if socialism is inevitable after capitalism

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>>2448175
land being retarded doesnt mean you are any less retarded for posting this shit broski >>2448081


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