/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2448087
He got what was coming to him

>>2448090
He turned into cookies and was eaten.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-trotsky-s-ashes-stolen-and-baked-in-cookies
https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/04/427707.html

Rape Leon Trotsky.

dumb for wanting Russia to keep fighting WW1

Nobody who hates on Trotsky has actually read any of his work. A lot of the time I continue see to ancient Moscow Trials slander parroted from the 1930s which not a single historian since has been able to verify (cue schizo theories about Hitlero-Trotskyite historians stealing from the archives). When I see criticism of Trotsky's actual ideas they are comically misinformed. I don't consider myself a Trotskyist but I've spent too many hours defending the real Leon Trotsky against this diabolical caricature.

What I'm trying to say is that you should actually read Trotsky before you pass judgment. I promise this won't be a chore because Trotsky might be the greatest political prose stylist of all time. You can blaze through works of in-depth political theory as if they were novels. I disagree with most of Trotsky's "original" contributions to Marxist theory and strategy (especially "transitional programs") and I think he peddles a lot of misleading myths about the Bolshevik faction pre-1917, but everyone will have something to learn from reading Trotsky's work and everyone will have fun doing so.

>>2448146
>he's got a shitty overbite

he just like me fr

A historical irrelevant apart from some actions during the revolution and civil war, who would be as obscure as many dozens of other figures if not for Western “socialists” using him as a prop for their anti-communism.

>>2448291
Also, ultimately a wrecker. He had a long history of not getting along with the other children and either taking his ball home or hitching himself to whoever he thought would advance his position. Most of the Mensheviks at least were consistently principled.

>>2448087
Without him Russian revolution would have been crushed. Much more admirable communist and military leader than Stalin

What Trotsky stood for didn't matter in the end, history chose Stalin. I would argue that the Russian Revolution could not have ended any other way. Russia is a culture that has been ruled by tyrannical autocrats for over a thousand years, totalitarianism is the only thing Russian people know.

I wish he survived WWII to cope and seethe about the USSR and the 'Stalinist bureaucracy' surviving the German invasion.

I think he was alright for a while then turned into an irritant figure. He joined the bolsheviks a month before the October revolution, defended Petrograd against Kerensky and was put in charge of the peace treaty with Germany, which he fucked up and resigned. Then he was put in charge of creating and administrating the Red Army, helping win the civil war, however he came out of it debilitated and lost power to a troika of Stalin-Kamenev-Zinoviev. Then the CPSU overwhelmingly voted for Stalin and Trotsky attempted one last time to stand up against the party but only pissed them off more. He was removed, exiled and finally banished from the USSR. He spent the rest of his years criticizing Stalin while maintaining that the USSR was a workers state, something trots eventually rejected. He was accused and tried in absence for taking part in a clandestine plot to get rid of Stalin, something trots denied for several decades until his personal archive confirmed its existence. Then he got assassinated. And that's the story of Trotsky. So I guess his real legacy should be helping win the Russian civil war and not modern trot movements. And I'd say War communism was unironically the closest the soviets got to communism. Trotsky wanted to take that and turn it into militarized labor, which would've made a really extreme experiment, a sort of Soviet Prussia. No idea if it would have lasted but admittedly part of me has always admired some of these hyperleft ideas such as war communism, militarization of labor, the cultural revolution, the Khmer economic experiment

>>2448307
The only good military decision Stalin ever made was letting Zhukov handle WW2. Because Stalin USSR lost the Polish war.

He was a fine revolutionary, a decent theorist of some regard and a good army commander it seems. But it's all outweighed by his later refusal to take the L and subsequent attempts at undermining the USSR

I thought it was pretty funny how he got defeated by a door.

pic unrel

>>2448146
The real trotskyism was the friends we made along the way

>>2448453
>pic gone
Mods confirmed shitlibs.

>>2448481
Based mods, disgusting pic tbh

>>2448309
>the Khmer economic experiment
that's one way to put it

>>2448309
Great post and I think this is probably the best way to think about Trotsky's actual legacy. Except

>Khmer economic experiment

Please elaborate

>>2448309
the USSR would've lost the war with germany had the peasants been liquidated like trotsky wanted

>>2448087
trotsky was the OG revisionist. He collaborated with Japan to overthrow the USSR, and his permanent revolution theory is completely unstable. He helped pave the way for the post-Stalin USSR.

>>2448087
>what do you guys think of leon trotsky
Literal definition of an opportunist and wrecker.

He was literally the anti-christ who desecrated the holy texts written by Stalin.

>>2448309
Surprisingly good post. Yeah there's nothing special about Trotsky. He wrote some decent stuff but some dogshit as well, not too different from Mao or Stalin in this regard. No one will dispute he was a pivotal figure in the civil war. Later I guess his ego took over after his exile but he didn't accomplish anything so who cares. Trotskyite movements don't really carry his will but rather use his image as an abstraction of a more palatable version of socialism for Westerners brainwashed by red scare propaganda.

>>2448092
God I forgot about this Anarchists can be so fucking funny sometimes.

I won't get too much into the alleged plots since frankly I don't care enough about whether they're true or not to seriously investigate. He no doubt had oppositionist cells in the USSR but which specific elements of the alleged plots were true (e.g. supposed collaboration with the Nazis, etc.) I don't think is very clear. He himself made some major contributions to the Bolshevik cause which I don't think should be ignored, and a lot of his theoretical concepts I think are very useful and shouldn't be discarded. Specifically the concepts of deformed and degenerated worker's states have their place in our analysis of 20th century socialism. He also had some insanely stupid ideas like claiming that a German invasion of the USSR would lead to an uprising in Germany, and by all accounts he was pretty arrogant and unpleasant on a personal level which no doubt contributed to his expulsion and exile. Trotskyism as a movement is too ill defined and varied (not to mention often divorced from Trotsky's actual ideas and opinions) to really make much comment on. Frankly it's mostly irrelevant and Troyskyists hardly had a major hand in the disintegration of the global communist movement. I'd probably blame Mao more for that than Trotsky tbqh. Overall he's honestly a pretty unimpressive figure. He had some important accomplishments in theory and practice but they're sort of overshadowed by his being a bitter loser who faded into irrelevance.

>>2448745
Stalin died for your sins

Esoteric Stalinism holds that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was in fact the living dialectic, the dialectic made flesh.
In his body we see, in his one crippled and one good arm, the clear sign of the dual natures contained within.

The internal dialectic of Great Stalin was externalized in the material with his own antithesis: Leon Trotsky. Trotsky is not a villain in Esoteric Stalinism, but a necessary antagonist through which the dialectic is able to progress, both in facilitating the actualization of the will of Great Stalin in inscrutable ways through his distinct actions and in serving to develop the progression of Stalin himself during His time with us on earth.

According to Esoteric Stalinists one can reach an understanding of things simply through contemplating Stalin, as He is himself the greater dialectic which contains all the movements of the universe to ever be.

>>2448087
Kind of an annoying shit but nonetheless an authentic revolutionary.

Like Stalin and Lenin and all the other red fascist shitheads he wanted to make the whole earth into industrial slaves.