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After reading Marxist literature, studying the history of Marxist states, and interacting with self-proclaimed Marxists, I've come to the conclusion that "Marxist" as a term isn't particularly useful.

In common usage, it describes a number of largely distinct ideologies and forms of political and economic organization that are connected by genealogy and geopolitics. China under Mao was a very different beast than China under Xi, and yet they're both seen as Communist because the latter came from the former, and the former had its basis in the Soviet Union under Stalin had its basis in the Soviet Union under Lenin had its basis in the writings of Marx and Engels. And this is just one state (technically two, but you get the point); looking at the bigger picture, things are even more variable based on time and place.

This isn't to talk ill of China or the Soviet Union by the way, I admire both greatly. My issue is more that "I'm a Marxist" isn't a phrase that tells anyone much of anything unless it's heavily qualified.

>Marxist literature
>Marxist states
<communism as ideology
i dont think the problem is the word, youre just retarded

>>2451440
Okay wise guy, why am I "retarded"? If you can spare the time for a verbal downvote, you can spare the time to explain that downvote.
>Marxist literature
Manifesto, What is to Be Done, Little Red Book…
>Marxist states
China, East Germany, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, the Soviet Union…
>communism as ideology
I didn't say it was an ideology, I said it was an all-encompassing geneology, which is to say, something that constitutes multiple ideologies, as well as governments, economic systems, social movements, etc, with the common thread being their relationship to Marx and his intellectual heirs. Am I wrong? And, again, if so, why?

>>2451584
the second dumbest thing you can do on here is make an effortpost because people will just call you retarded without elaborating.

the third dumbest thing you can do on here is pick apart a rude reply and clarify what you mean because they'll just ignore you or call you retarded again.

but really the dumbest thing you can do is type leftypol dot org into your address bar and expect anything good to come of it

>>2451591
Are there places to discuss Marxism that aren't braindead? This is an honest question.

>>2451618
Chinese, Russian, German, and Spanish speakers probably have more communists per capita than speakers of other languages just because of their historical connection to the real movement so go to Marxist websites online that speak those languages and you might have better luck, even if you're stuck using translate tools.

>>2451683
Thanks for the suggestion. I need to learn more languages anyway.

Yeah, it's not a very useful term by itself. It's just a vague framework.

>>2451618
to be honest the time for discussing is long past.

>>2451591
Thermonuclear H-bomb level based take

I agree. Reading Mao I don't think his theory is in line with Marx's reasoning and way of conceiving of things. I have the impression Mao merely used various terms by Marx and Engels as buzzwords.

I find it preferable to make out what "Marxism" is from a epistemological standpoint and decide based on that what counts as "Marxist" instead of adding any Marx inspired political figure and their thoughts to Marxism.



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