As the subject implies, I, an American leftist, have two questions for Third-Worldists.
First, if quality of life is too good here for your average American to be driven to revolution, and said quality of life is dependent on exploitation of the Third-World, shouldn't it follow that, as the American Empire's power falters, our quality of life will worsen, thus creating revolutionary conditions here?
Second, if our current quality of life is only achievable by exploiting the Third World, how is it that China is able to meet and in many cases surpass us in that regard without resorting to imperialism? Unless I'm missing additional context, the only conclusions that could be drawn are either that China is actually imperalist, or the claim that Western-level quality of life can only come from exploitation is bunk, and neither of those sits well with Third-Worldism as an ideology.
I'm specifically looking for answers from people born and living in the Third-World, since Western born Third-Worldists tend to be self-loathing academic types, although I will accept answers from Western Third-Worldists that aren't mentally cucked.
141 posts and 37 image replies omitted.But in case you are capable of listening, hey.
Not like I am shy about it. For this persona, Grandeur basically is the best fit. I do admit with most of you on an "instinctual", emotional level, I marvel at how we are supposed to be the same species.
Grandeur (delusion) is a symptom, not a complex or disorder. Now, for narcissism, it is missing the avoidant element. I challenge you to put up a fight and so on. It's basically what I do here.
>>2459260I dunno, shitposting begets shitposting. I am reducing my consumption of this place. Most of you are so stale. it's not even proper fun to run circles around you. Just a habit, I suppose.
I won't say "if you weren't so stupid, I wouldn't act like that" but I'm thinking it.
>>2459410China is not >capitalist< (if you are uncomfortable talking in those terms call it a very unusual new form of special statecraft, unlike any previous). In any case it need not be imperialist. Socialist imperialism, not a thing.
Others told you the same thing in different terms.
>>2459430Thank you for simplifying.
>China is not >capitalist<I don't think it is.
>In any case it need not be imperialist.And I don't think it's imperialist either.
>>2453545Marxist settlers are like: "the fact that I spent the last ten years never once listening to my nonwhite slaves who live in the nazi ghetto segregated apartheid part of my city means I'm a true Marxist intellectual who is on the right side of history. My ignorant and reactionary non-Marxist slaves should be listening to ME!!! True revolution is found in my Jewist art and culture socialist podcast Doomscroll"
>>2454894>America's welfare state is worse than some third world countries.<relative and highly contextual, its impossible to create a universal principleif you were actual Leninists you would understand that the imperial core/periphery dialectic exists within countries as well between different countries. Obama's Wall Street finance imperialist friends destroyed Flint's water system for profit just like they destroy Palestinian water.
>>2457769>"neoliberal and not a fascist" That's a meaningless distinction IMF neocolonialism vs WWII era war colonialism
>why we dont call the roman empire imperialist.<the Latin word imperium signifies "supreme power," "sovereignty," or "to rule"lol
>States can also be incredibly reactionary without being fascist.as Fanon said, fascism is when the violence which Europeans cheered in Africa return home to harm them
>>2456017>degrowth is a radlib position not communist>>2455235>Communist China is the world's factorySocialism is the ideology of microplastics and they define any opposition to this catastrophe as reactionary and unscientific and on the wrong side of history
Its so funny how these PMC larpers are like:
<"The proletariat will solve all our problems with their heroic working class science!…well no, of course I am a worthless parasite, but I'm sure someone else has new innovative ideas!…wait no stop, your 21st century Chinese proletarian ideas like 'stop wasting limited resources to produce Walmart consumer product slop' are scary to a neoliberal Dengists like me. You workers are not allowed to a world within microplastics, why do you hate the working class you fucking fascist???" >>2452374Oh boy, another "I'm just asking questions" post from someone who has done less than zero research about what "third worldists" actually believe.
>if quality of life is too good here for your average American to be driven to revolution, and said quality of life is dependent on exploitation of the Third-World, shouldn't it follow that, as the American Empire's power falters, our quality of life will worsen, thus creating revolutionary conditions here?This is a basic concept in Third-Worldism, yes. Glad you could connect the dots.
>if our current quality of life is only achievable by exploiting the Third World, how is it that China is able to meet and in many cases surpass us in that regard without resorting to imperialism?Regardless of whether you consider China socialist or not, it is objectively deeply tied into global systems of imperialism and does take advantage of that extraction to remain dominant in domestic and export production.
>Unless I'm missing additional context, the only conclusions that could be drawn are either that China is actually imperialist… and neither of those sits well with Third-Worldism as an ideology.This is the biggest tell that you've never actually read anything coming out of this tendency. China as a modern social-imperialist power is a very widespread belief within Third-Worldism, and is very much internally consistent within their theory. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that this doesn't "sit well" with Third-Worldism.
>>2459653i find maoists calling modern china "social imperialist" incredible (in the literal sense), when late mao was doing actual international adventurism, and modern china just trades
the idea that modern china does "economic imperialism" is also questionable, as the numbers show that their output roughly matches their productivity, vs the west that overconsumes and the rest of the world that is overexploited.
just never seen a credible argument for china's "imperialism"
>>2460458Actually it returns to kill the nonwhites at home. And communists, for being in the way.
You're falling for the "citizen" sleight of hand where who counts as part of the body of the empire is selectively applied for each circumstance.
>>2460478You are right, to a degree.
"and that's a good thing" is too reductive, naive. I had just woken up and wanted to make some basic shitpost, I suppose.
However, the argument that violence hits "the wrong people" is, to me, impermissible. People (fundamentally, us, the workers) that are already worse off, get more shit thrown their way. It's been true and it remains true in all the history of history. Of course, communists and so on are targeted (that too, is the nature of the beast), I have my own thought on that, essentially I do not believe in an american/western left as a real entity. I can be convinced otherwise, if someone were to show it to me.
So, sorry but it is time for the egg to meet the omelet and stop terrorizing everyone.
>>2460486>>2459449I wanna bring up this for a sec now as well.
See, we can talk normally. As shrimple as that.
If you have a fit about "Black Hitlerites" however, you get the corresponding response.
>>2475862Nigha the only person calling for racial genocide is third world degens like yourself, unstable nationalist pig
>Me when imaginary negroids in Africa that will magically benefit from hitler-america nuking its enemies🥰😍
<Me when actual black people and non-whites in general all across the Western world being put in death camps because lol if you actually thought Western/American fascism was ever going to harm or seriously negatively affect all those suburban home owners I perfomatively pretend to hate >>2484914You are a special little guy.
Run along now, sweetie
>let me have yet another hitlerite fitTiresome, eh
Did I ever get an answer.
>>2454922>>2454936Answer: No
Oh whoops, guess you are barely tangential to the conversation. My mistake, Adolf.
In concrete terms, is it not you giving them what they want? If you wanna mount a resistance in the west (let's be honest and say US, specifically, look at it that's an amerikkkan), then do it.
I don't care. Sort it out or it will be done for you. But then it won't be on your terms
>>2485272 (let's see if I can reconstruct the post purely from memory, if you wanna pick a fight this isn't gonna work. you best bring your a game. If you had one. I am moderately hungover btw)
It's like the westoid's whole thing.
Aggressive retardation. Aggressive projection.
In wartime especially, but they are always "mentally at war".
Truly disgusting "people".
The masses lol
[fat joke]
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