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A few months ago, I was browsing another image board and got told about this place and how there were a bunch of smart people here.
I've always been a pretty left wing guy, but certainly not a communist. I was excited about a left wing image board because I use not PC language a LOT lmao (somehow this post is mostly clean though.) I had also just finished taking a college level economics course a few months prior. It isn't my major, but it was a requirement, so I felt that at least at the basic level I could judge mostly objectively.
Firstly: I never really saw any attempts at explaining the benefits of a purely communist system. This site has done a wonderful job of showing the benefits of the mixed economy that is modern China. Wealth inequality is much smaller than it is in the US, and the bottom 50% of China earns more than the bottom 50% of the US. What I wonder is whether that has more to do with the availability of manufacturing jobs (which are usually well paid and low skill) rather than system of economics. After all, US wealth inequality greatly increased during the 90s.
Either way, the Chinese have been able to massively improve their standards of living, so hats off to Xi.

Secondly: After the ICC inditement I had a bad opinion of Israel, but browsing here has made my opinion of them much worse. I don't know what needs to happen, but something's gotta give. The way Israel is abusing the lobbying system to get essentially unlimited aid is a huge problem within the American Capitalist system.

Thirdly: In USApol, people there often paint a bleak picture for the average American, and I agree. Things are bad right now. However, if you break it down by category, it becomes clear that housing is almost solely responsible for the standard of living of the average American going down. Picrel. But wouldn't just limiting the amount of residential property corporations can own fix this problem?
…or fuck it, Mao's method would actually work too.

Anyways, this place is certainly interesting to lurk in. I'm surprised I'm still here seeing as one of the first posts I saw was from Iron Felix. I had no idea what the fuck he was talking about.

Neat

hi anon yes i agree we need to build more housing. im hoping trump lowering the interest rates will crash the market lol. tho I'm glad it isn't as bad as the housing crisis in canada

>I never really saw any attempts at explaining the benefits of a purely communist system
Wtf does that even mean you fucking retard kek, and looking at income (especially housing income) is the dumbest thing you can do to gauge the wellbeing of a population, has about as much validity as polling random on the streets how their day was.

>>2454442
Under purely communist system you mean government ownership of everything. I doubt it will come back ever (except for crisis countries), because communist country's property should be PUBLIC ALL-PEOPLE ownership, not state. State property was transitory, but it kind of got stuck for USSR because of revisionist nonsense. That said, we'll definitely see more planning being done, and fully planned economy by 2050 in China and elsewhere

>>2455075
What would you consider to be a better measure of the well-being of a population?

>>2455206
>>2454442
OP what i think you are kindof missing is the marxist analysis of capital which you wont get in undergrad econ 101 courses you have to read marx's capital which is somewhat a slog but if you get through it and understand it you will understand why Communists are opposed to markets and capitalism and what capital truly is. I recommend this reading guide:

https://la.utexas.edu/users/hcleaver/357k/357ksg.html

as its the best I've ever found for it.

and here's a link to Marx's capital

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

Secondly with regards to specifically housing China does alot better job creating housing for its population and not because of some Ezra Klein neoliberal-YIMBY market bullshit. Yes supply needs to be increased but that's based on a whole of government approach not expecting private developers to build to the point of non-profitability instead of land banking and waiting for conditions to improve i.e. scarcity to return.

Secondly read this to understand why critiques of Planned economies i.e. the "purely communist system" are wrongheaded.

https://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/standalonearticle.pdf

>>2455466
it's pseudointellectualism to think anyone who is a fellow traveller will immediately jump into capital, when the correct thing to suggest was either marx's 1) wages, prices and profit or wage labor and capital or cafiero's summary of capital.


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