/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Not really, the Palestinians are simply fighting for survival and that's supportable, but there's no guarantee a sovereign single-state Palestine becomes a nation that's a laudable example for leftists.

>>2456917
This is why Israel is crashing out now. They know America doesn't have much time left and the days of free fighter jets and nuclear submarines from Germany and the USA will soon be over. China has nothing to offer them nor do that have much to offer to China. They're hoping for a decisive victory over the Palestinians before this shift happens.

>>2456917
>3. the Ultra-Orthodox. They are largest Jewish group in Israel, and they don't work and won't fight. How long can a government function with that many people on welfare.
Nah, it's not that much. It might be around 13% of the Jewish population. It's a problem for the government and army though and the population growth projections are pretty gnarly because the Haredim have more kids so they grow at a faster rate. On the other hand, the Hiloni (secular) population also gets bolstered by Jews who were raised religious and secularize. There's also a conservative, religious, non-Orthodox middle group that serves in the army.

>5. A large percentage of Isarel's Jewish population has dual citizenship and will leave when the going gets tough.
I don't think the evidence bears this out. Also the percentage of dual citizens might only be 10%.

>6. . Internal Political instability. Even without the Palestinians, Israel has deep cultural, religious, and economic rifts. Five elections in three years.
True but I'm not sure that translates to a military context. You have Israelis fighting over the judiciary or the issue of the ultra-Orthodox serving in the army, but the population mostly agreed with invading Gaza and bombing Iran. A lot of secular / liberal Jews have pretty vile opinions about the Palestinians even if they don't like Bibi.

With the money that the US has invested in Israel, do you really think the US is going to simply walk away from that investment? On top of that, Israel has nuclear weapons and is surrounded by hostile countries who do not have nuclear weapons and is ruled by far-right lunatics who would sooner see the entire world burn than allow their Holy Land to fall under Muslim rule. This is not something that the US can simply walk away from, if the US is going to withdraw its support for Israel there would need to be a two-state solution and Israel would have to hand over all their nuclear weapons to the US and agree to stop allowing settlements outside of Israel's borders.

>>2456988
Its' already happening. Comrade. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-824369

>>2457011
The Americans invested billions in Vietnam and Afghanistan and still left when the costs got too great. Israel is costing us more than both Vietnam and Afghanistan.

>>2457048
Read the details though. Around 30% of the people who left in 2023 were not Jewish. The majority of the emigrants were also not born in Israel and the vast majority were from the former USSR (so, Russians and Ukrainians). I suspect some of this are people who left those countries because of the war and went to Israel because they had family there but didn't intend to stay.

Actually learned recently that Alla Pugacheva moved to Israel (she has a Jewish husband). She's a famous Soviet-era pop singer. The Atomic Heart theme was a remix of one of her 70s hits.

>>2457064
>Holy cope. The US won't be a unipolar force but absolutely can continue to pump money into Israel.
I think part of what's happening is that the U.S. is outsourcing more of its Middle East warmongering to Israel as U.S. influence recedes.

>>2456917
I wonder if it's possible to foster anti-American sentiment in Israel? 🤔

Think about it. If Israelis are told that they're being sent out to die for the benefit of America then won't they become pissed and start attacking America?

Israel is a test chamber for imperialism.
Fascism is imperialism turned inwards.
You do the math.

>>2457244
The moral, diplomatic, and fiscal costs of propping up Israel are just too much, if they keep increasing something will give.

>>2456917
>inevitable
Be real

>>2464970
It is as inevitable as apartheid South Africa falling apart. When its biggest superpower backer precedes support so too will Israel

holy cope

>>2464961
That's mostly so line go up for war industrial production stocks in the USA; same for Ukraine and keep line from going down for Rheinmetal

>>2465702
>It is as inevitable as apartheid South Africa falling apart. When its biggest superpower backer precedes support so too will Israel
Which is never for Israel then. Because it underpins,at least ,the petrodollar and without it the whole financial imperialism of the USA collapses.

Yeag

while things have improved by 5 percent for the Palestinians thanks to the internet knocking out old media gate keepers things are still tough and i dont see america abandoning israel any time soon, even if a democrat got in office.

All this shit is just cope for US leftists to find comfort in in leiu of actually accomplishing anything.

Israel won’t collapse, they are stronger than ever before, please stop coping retard

>>2469304
it'll go down hill fast

>>2456917
The only way the genocidal colonial ethnostate falls is through a massive military coalition of all MENA, and possibly even Muslim countries and even some Western antizionist ones like Spain and Ireland

>>2472589
Agreed. The golem will not go down without a fight when it comes to its master. Sad to say russia and china will also step in to protect the chosen demons. Sad day that nobody can stop these demons. Looks like the demiurge is protecting them. Shitty world.