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Not reporting is bourgeois


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They’re hardcore against foreign involvement, and now Israel is front and center in that.
Do you see these libertarians as preferable to MAGA/neocons? On one hand, their economic agenda is even more hostile to leftist politics. On the other, their anti-war, anti-NATO, and anti-bureaucratic stance lines up with some left positions. Or also for example, they're against the surveillance state, patriot acts, etc.

Also worth noting: libertarians outside the U.S. tend to be different. American libertarians are much more radically non-interventionist than their counterparts abroad. For example, Milei loves Ukraine and Israel, NATO, etc. while Massie, Ron Paul, and even the official Libertarian Party is against financing/government supporting either country, and all of them wanna move away from NATO.

>>2462212
The libertarian Party supports defunding Israel and calls them "war criminals"

I think that's super based, and I'm glad they aren't faggots like that globalist CIA plant from Argentina

>anti-war
>anti-NATO
The idea that libertarians are in any way genuinely anti-war or anti-imperialist is the biggest joke in Western politics today.
>anti-bureaucratic
>they're against the surveillance state, patriot acts, etc.
In practice libertarians don't actually dismantle bureaucracy or the surveillance state, they just reproduce fascist bureaucracy where "ending bureaucracy" principally means destroying advances by organized labor and restructuring bureaucratic systems to benefit the petty bourgeoisie. We're talking about the same people who want to put medical records and labor contracts on the blockchain, something that would objectively strengthen surveillance, not weaken it.
>Massie, Ron Paul, and even the official Libertarian Party is against financing/government supporting either country, and all of them wanna move away from NATO.
This is just an extension of the same faux "anti-imperialism" that arose in the 1890s in the US. It's an expression of the contradiction between the petty bourgeoisie and big bourgeoisie, and isn't aligned with socialism in any real way.

They’ve always struck me as naive and disconnected from reality. Broken clock etc.

>>2462212
Libertarians here in the U.S. are Constitution fetishists. They love the Constitution as it was written at the time of the founding. This is an important reason why they don't like the "imperial presidency" and the president ordering the military to drop bombs on people. They have a reading of the Constitution that the power to declare war is up to Congress (which is true according to the text). They are basically deeply skeptical of the executive branch of the U.S. federal government.

The problem with this is that the Constitution is really anachronistic given 21st-century conditions.

It was designed from the get-go to make it difficult to change laws in the interest of the majority. There's a separation of powers (including between the House and Senate) and the upper house (the Senate) is flatly undemocratic as an institution, so legislation that might be popular with the majority of Americans can be derailed by a single senator from Idaho even though California has 20x the population of Idaho. The reason for this is because the Constitution was written by white male property holders who did not like democracy or the idea of majority rule. The libertarians believe that's awesome and the way it should be. But as the modern state developed with its large administrative bureaucracy, the president (as the chief of the executive branch) ended up taking on a lot of powers to act unilaterally because Congress became incapable of doing that, because it was designed to handle things in a country of yeoman farmers and slave owners in the 18th century.

So, libertarians complain about the president taking on these powers, yet the Constitution also didn't provide them any way to stop the president, who does have considerable power (which is also vague and he's the "commander in chief" of the armed forces) unless Congress reasserted itself… which it's not doing. And then again, the libertarians might not like the consquences of Congress of doing that either, because if we had a more democratic system in which Congress (as the best body representing all Americans) asserts its power, you'd have effectively made Nancy Pelosi the prime minister of the United States a few years ago with a majority in the House. Then they'd pass legislation tightening up restrictions on gun ownership (which most Americans support in some kind of way), but Massie doesn't support that.

If he became President, watch him morph into a run of the mill Zionist before your eyes

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>>2462212
>Also worth noting: libertarians outside the U.S. tend to be different. American libertarians are much more radically non-interventionist than their counterparts abroad. For example, Milei loves Ukraine and Israel, NATO, etc.
That is an interesting thing BTW. It strikes me that "libertarianism" abroad like Milei adopting these symbols from the U.S. (the Gadsden flag) does have some relationship to anti-socialism, pro-capitalism like the American ones, but without as much Constitution fetishism. I've heard some of them will do that though which can sound really weird (like "the Second Amendment says"), because they don't have the U.S. Constitution, so it's like mf'er WTF are you talking about you live in Brazil/Argentina/etc.

Some of the Russian liberal oppositions a few years ago would pick up that symbol. I listened to an interview with a Russian streamer who was involved in this movement, and his politics was almost more like an alt-right thing plus being pro-American in a general Rambo-like way. It seemed to have more similarities to American communists who wave Soviet symbols and think the Red Army is cool, and there is some alignment with the USSR and now Russia, but it's not the really the same thing.

I think it can become like a floating signifier for being very pro-U.S. and wanting an alliance with right-wing Americans more generally. They like guns and "free speech" and stuff like that. But it doesn't exist in quite the same context as these libertarian politicians from Kentucky who have a "originalist" reading of the Constitution that's held up to be practically scripture.

>>2462212
>muh hecking troo libertarians
I love how lolberts nowadays simply ignore their longtime involvement with fascists and far rightists

>>2462746
I'm libertarian and I'd team up with far right (non-interventionists)

But same goes for leftist (non interventionists)

Far righters and leftists who love Israel/Ukraine/etc can get fucked tho

Haz explains it best: Criss-Cross theory. The AuthLeft and LibRight are aligned in believing in the unleashing of the masses for development (Follow the Party, Start Your Business). Libertarian Stalinism.
The AuthRight and LibLeft both believe in World Police, a unipolar world order led by Western financial institutions.

>>2462782
someone should kill you

>>2462793
>They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>2462782
This.


>>2462782
You are super based, anon. God bless you

>>2462793
Make the world a better place. Kill yourself ultroid.

>>2462847
ultra and proud


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